Kathleen Collins Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 The short, "older" tramp found by police in boxcars behind the Grassy Knoll and the parking lot, is said to be E. Howard Hunt. Others believe it was Chauncey Holt. Out of the 2, I think Chauncey Holt is the little tramp, as he was 5'4 and E. Howard Hunt was 5'9. The tramp wore a hat that could serve to hide his ears. Howard Hunt's ear tops stuck out from his head in a comical way. But at that time he wasn't that old. This photo in Dealey Plaza, right after the assassination could well be E. Howard Hunt. He couldn't be 2 people at once, but I think he was this man and not the little tramp. Kathy C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 The short, "older" tramp found by police in boxcars behind the Grassy Knoll and the parking lot, is said to be E. Howard Hunt. Others believe it was Chauncey Holt. Out of the 2, I think Chauncey Holt is the little tramp, as he was 5'4 and E. Howard Hunt was 5'9. The tramp wore a hat that could serve to hide his ears. Howard Hunt's ear tops stuck out from his head in a comical way. But at that time he wasn't that old. This photo in Dealey Plaza, right after the assassination could well be E. Howard Hunt. He couldn't be 2 people at once, but I think he was this man and not the little tramp. Kathy C There is NO WAY that Holt is one of the tramps. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathleen Collins Posted April 27, 2011 Author Share Posted April 27, 2011 (edited) The short, "older" tramp found by police in boxcars behind the Grassy Knoll and the parking lot, is said to be E. Howard Hunt. Others believe it was Chauncey Holt. Out of the 2, I think Chauncey Holt is the little tramp, as he was 5'4 and E. Howard Hunt was 5'9. The tramp wore a hat that could serve to hide his ears. Howard Hunt's ear tops stuck out from his head in a comical way. But at that time he wasn't that old. This photo in Dealey Plaza, right after the assassination could well be E. Howard Hunt. He couldn't be 2 people at once, but I think he was this man and not the little tramp. Kathy C There is NO WAY that Holt is one of the tramps. Jack Jack, I had a change of heart. I agree with you about Hunt being the little tramp. The tramp resembles Hunt more than Chauncey Holt -- I was trying to go by size. But Hunt could have said he was taller than he was. Men do that sometimes in my experience. What also changed my mind was the picture I have linked below. The woman in the picture, looking shocked, with her hand to her mouth is Dorothy Hunt. I compared her picture in 1963 to that of her in 1972, which Spartacus has. I knew she was CIA and realized she was standing only a few feet from her husband E. Howard Hunt, the short tramp. What a wonderful day, out and about on Nov.22, 1963. What a sense of accomplishment they shared. Also on the far right of this photo, see Billy Lovelady talking to a policeman on the steps of the TSBD. This occurred about 2 hours after the shooting. The photo provided in the first post above, the man in the trench coat and fedora could also be Hunt. To me, he looks like he's about to go up the Grassy Knoll. Did he play 2 parts in the Assassination? Kathy C Edited April 30, 2011 by Evan Burton Inserted image tags to display image Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd W. Vaughan Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 The short, "older" tramp found by police in boxcars behind the Grassy Knoll and the parking lot, is said to be E. Howard Hunt. Others believe it was Chauncey Holt. Out of the 2, I think Chauncey Holt is the little tramp, as he was 5'4 and E. Howard Hunt was 5'9. The tramp wore a hat that could serve to hide his ears. Howard Hunt's ear tops stuck out from his head in a comical way. But at that time he wasn't that old. This photo in Dealey Plaza, right after the assassination could well be E. Howard Hunt. He couldn't be 2 people at once, but I think he was this man and not the little tramp. Kathy C There is NO WAY that Holt is one of the tramps. Jack Jack, I had a change of heart. I agree with you about Hunt being the little tramp. The tramp resembles Hunt more than Chauncey Holt -- I was trying to go by size. But Hunt could have said he was taller than he was. Men do that sometimes in my experience. What also changed my mind was the picture I have linked below. The woman in the picture, looking shocked, with her hand to her mouth is Dorothy Hunt. I compared her picture in 1963 to that of her in 1972, which Spartacus has. I knew she was CIA and realized she was standing only a few feet from her husband E. Howard Hunt, the short tramp. What a wonderful day, out and about on Nov.22, 1963. What a sense of accomplishment they shared. Also on the far right of this photo, see Billy Lovelady talking to a policeman on the steps of the TSBD. This occurred about 2 hours after the shooting. The photo provided in the first post above, the man in the trench coat and fedora could also be Hunt. To me, he looks like he's about to go up the Grassy Knoll. Did he play 2 parts in the Assassination? Kathy C http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae268/edforum_photos/Public/3trampsandDorothyHunt-overrightcopinterviewingLovelady.png That's not Billy Lovelady. Lovelady appears in the film of LHO being brought into the DPD Homicide office at about 2:00 PM, shortly after his arrest and 1 hour 30 minutes after the assassination. Lovelady was there giving his statement regarding the assassination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathleen Collins Posted April 27, 2011 Author Share Posted April 27, 2011 (edited) The short, "older" tramp found by police in boxcars behind the Grassy Knoll and the parking lot, is said to be E. Howard Hunt. Others believe it was Chauncey Holt. Out of the 2, I think Chauncey Holt is the little tramp, as he was 5'4 and E. Howard Hunt was 5'9. The tramp wore a hat that could serve to hide his ears. Howard Hunt's ear tops stuck out from his head in a comical way. But at that time he wasn't that old. This photo in Dealey Plaza, right after the assassination could well be E. Howard Hunt. He couldn't be 2 people at once, but I think he was this man and not the little tramp. Kathy C There is NO WAY that Holt is one of the tramps. Jack Jack, I had a change of heart. I agree with you about Hunt being the little tramp. The tramp resembles Hunt more than Chauncey Holt -- I was trying to go by size. But Hunt could have said he was taller than he was. Men do that sometimes in my experience. What also changed my mind was the picture I have linked below. The woman in the picture, looking shocked, with her hand to her mouth is Dorothy Hunt. I compared her picture in 1963 to that of her in 1972, which Spartacus has. I knew she was CIA and realized she was standing only a few feet from her husband E. Howard Hunt, the short tramp. What a wonderful day, out and about on Nov.22, 1963. What a sense of accomplishment they shared. Also on the far right of this photo, see Billy Lovelady talking to a policeman on the steps of the TSBD. This occurred about 2 hours after the shooting. The photo provided in the first post above, the man in the trench coat and fedora could also be Hunt. To me, he looks like he's about to go up the Grassy Knoll. Did he play 2 parts in the Assassination? Kathy C http://i978.photobuc...ingLovelady.png That's not Billy Lovelady. Lovelady appears in the film of LHO being brought into the DPD Homicide office at about 2:00 PM, shortly after his arrest and 1 hour 30 minutes after the assassination. Lovelady was there giving his statement regarding the assassination. I know there's a certain argument against it not being Lovelady. But I swear he looks just like him. I know Lovelady was in the police dept. But they let him go. I believe and it's my opinion only, Lovelady returned to the TSBD, where he worked and though the doors were locked, he was talking to someone higher up in the police or military. I think Lovelady was just curious. Maybe he was asking about Oswald. I'm sure Lovelady provided an iron-clad alibi. He stood on the outside steps when snipers shot Kennedy. Co-workers saw him there. Kathy C Edited April 27, 2011 by Kathleen Collins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Robert Morrow Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 I think the tramps were no one significant to the JFK assassination. I do not think Chauncy Holt or E. Howard Hunt or Charles Harrelson were tramps. I think the tramps were the folks whose names were released by Dallas Police Dept in 1992. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 I think the tramps were no one significant to the JFK assassination. I do not think Chauncy Holt or E. Howard Hunt or Charles Harrelson were tramps. I think the tramps were the folks whose names were released by Dallas Police Dept in 1992. You have squandered any remaining credibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathleen Collins Posted April 30, 2011 Author Share Posted April 30, 2011 I think the tramps were no one significant to the JFK assassination. I do not think Chauncy Holt or E. Howard Hunt or Charles Harrelson were tramps. I think the tramps were the folks whose names were released by Dallas Police Dept in 1992. I'm not an expert on the Tramps. But in my opinion the short one was E. Howard Hunt. The middle one was Charles Harrellson. The first one, who was dressed rather neatly, I'm not sure about. Some say he's Charles Rogers. Charles Rogers was wanted in Texas for killing his mother and father (after the assassination), chopping them up and putting them in the refrigerator. It was called the Ice Box murders. He then disappeared and no one has seen him since. The first tramp may also be "Frenchy." I've read Frank Sturgis, but he doesn't look like the first tramp. After they passed Ed Lansdale, possibly the creator of all these scenes, Harrellson had a smirk on his face. Obviously, he thought the whole thing was funny. Did any of these men fire at Kennedy? They may have been just a distraction thought up by Lansdale. But they weren't discovered until 2 hours after the shooting. Kathy C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 I have a hard time believing that Hunt was there in any capacity but administrative. Despite his penchant for disguises, I don't know him as a boots-on-the-ground type. What if that's just some sour old guy from the railroad cars in the photos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathleen Collins Posted May 1, 2011 Author Share Posted May 1, 2011 I have a hard time believing that Hunt was there in any capacity but administrative. Despite his penchant for disguises, I don't know him as a boots-on-the-ground type. What if that's just some sour old guy from the railroad cars in the photos? Who happens to look just like E. Howard Hunt... Kathy C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 (edited) I have a hard time believing that Hunt was there in any capacity but administrative. Despite his penchant for disguises, I don't know him as a boots-on-the-ground type. What if that's just some sour old guy from the railroad cars in the photos? Who happens to look just like E. Howard Hunt... Kathy C Hunt's watching from safety, as in Guatemala. His suburban-attorney father worked hard to get him into Brown, and Howard's pursuing a gentleman's game. He's Navy and OSS - the close work is for the grunts. He lets himself get laughably dirty after Dallas, surfing on a self-imagined gonzo rep that is the comic equal of Gordon Liddy's. But I can't see him having done more in Dealey than smell the motorcade fumes and the cordite, on a walk-through minutes after the shooting. Hunt passed through the garden, and pronounced it good. Edited May 1, 2011 by David Andrews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathleen Collins Posted May 1, 2011 Author Share Posted May 1, 2011 The short, "older" tramp found by police in boxcars behind the Grassy Knoll and the parking lot, is said to be E. Howard Hunt. Others believe it was Chauncey Holt. Out of the 2, I think Chauncey Holt is the little tramp, as he was 5'4 and E. Howard Hunt was 5'9. The tramp wore a hat that could serve to hide his ears. Howard Hunt's ear tops stuck out from his head in a comical way. But at that time he wasn't that old. This photo in Dealey Plaza, right after the assassination could well be E. Howard Hunt. He couldn't be 2 people at once, but I think he was this man and not the little tramp. Kathy C There is NO WAY that Holt is one of the tramps. Jack Jack, I had a change of heart. I agree with you about Hunt being the little tramp. The tramp resembles Hunt more than Chauncey Holt -- I was trying to go by size. But Hunt could have said he was taller than he was. Men do that sometimes in my experience. What also changed my mind was the picture I have linked below. The woman in the picture, looking shocked, with her hand to her mouth is Dorothy Hunt. I compared her picture in 1963 to that of her in 1972, which Spartacus has. I knew she was CIA and realized she was standing only a few feet from her husband E. Howard Hunt, the short tramp. What a wonderful day, out and about on Nov.22, 1963. What a sense of accomplishment they shared. Also on the far right of this photo, see Billy Lovelady talking to a policeman on the steps of the TSBD. This occurred about 2 hours after the shooting. The photo provided in the first post above, the man in the trench coat and fedora could also be Hunt. To me, he looks like he's about to go up the Grassy Knoll. Did he play 2 parts in the Assassination? Kathy C Jack, I just watched this footage on C-Span -- material of Dealey Plaza, etc. that a news network had thrown out. Somewhere in the middle of it the police are taking a very short man -- at first I thought he was a kid -- into custody. I believe it was Chauncey Holt! And now I see he couldn't be one of the tramps. Then a few minutes later you see Oswald being led in. I wonder if they were going to use Chauncey as the patsy, but they zoomed in on Oswald. Chauncey is a weird-looking dude. Someone I knew used to ask rhetorically, What would have happened if Oswald missed work that day? Maybe Chauncey would become their patsy. I don't know where he was in Dealey Plaza. Does anyone know? He didn't work with Oswald. Can you imagine a Chauncey Holt lookalike? The woman with her hand to her face in the picture above is Dorothy Hunt. She looks like she's shocked, but actually, I think she saw the camera and put her hand like that to disguise her face. I know E. Howard Hunt made faces so as not to be identified. He was a clever rascal. I think he lied about his height. But Chauncey was a lot shorter than 5'4, as he claimed, if that was him in the footage I just saw. Kathy C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 Hi Kathleen... Created this back in July 2007 and thought I had something... I agree, He was not a Tramp... but he was there, large and in charge... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 btw - Holt tells an amazing story, doesn't he? Fake credentials... weapons in the RR cars... Collins Radio... Kinda hoped he really was the tramp... makes sense... but obviously not definitive... I like the guy in the trenchcoat for Hunt... quite ballsy to just stroll around right there after the fact... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 The short, "older" tramp found by police in boxcars behind the Grassy Knoll and the parking lot, is said to be E. Howard Hunt. Others believe it was Chauncey Holt. Out of the 2, I think Chauncey Holt is the little tramp, as he was 5'4 and E. Howard Hunt was 5'9. The tramp wore a hat that could serve to hide his ears. Howard Hunt's ear tops stuck out from his head in a comical way. But at that time he wasn't that old. This photo in Dealey Plaza, right after the assassination could well be E. Howard Hunt. He couldn't be 2 people at once, but I think he was this man and not the little tramp. Kathy C There is NO WAY that Holt is one of the tramps. Jack Jack, I had a change of heart. I agree with you about Hunt being the little tramp. The tramp resembles Hunt more than Chauncey Holt -- I was trying to go by size. But Hunt could have said he was taller than he was. Men do that sometimes in my experience. What also changed my mind was the picture I have linked below. The woman in the picture, looking shocked, with her hand to her mouth is Dorothy Hunt. I compared her picture in 1963 to that of her in 1972, which Spartacus has. I knew she was CIA and realized she was standing only a few feet from her husband E. Howard Hunt, the short tramp. What a wonderful day, out and about on Nov.22, 1963. What a sense of accomplishment they shared. Also on the far right of this photo, see Billy Lovelady talking to a policeman on the steps of the TSBD. This occurred about 2 hours after the shooting. The photo provided in the first post above, the man in the trench coat and fedora could also be Hunt. To me, he looks like he's about to go up the Grassy Knoll. Did he play 2 parts in the Assassination? Kathy C Jack, I just watched this footage on C-Span -- material of Dealey Plaza, etc. that a news network had thrown out. Somewhere in the middle of it the police are taking a very short man -- at first I thought he was a kid -- into custody. I believe it was Chauncey Holt! And now I see he couldn't be one of the tramps. Then a few minutes later you see Oswald being led in. I wonder if they were going to use Chauncey as the patsy, but they zoomed in on Oswald. Chauncey is a weird-looking dude. Someone I knew used to ask rhetorically, What would have happened if Oswald missed work that day? Maybe Chauncey would become their patsy. I don't know where he was in Dealey Plaza. Does anyone know? He didn't work with Oswald. Can you imagine a Chauncey Holt lookalike? The woman with her hand to her face in the picture above is Dorothy Hunt. She looks like she's shocked, but actually, I think she saw the camera and put her hand like that to disguise her face. I know E. Howard Hunt made faces so as not to be identified. He was a clever rascal. I think he lied about his height. But Chauncey was a lot shorter than 5'4, as he claimed, if that was him in the footage I just saw. Kathy C The woman is a reporter....DMN I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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