"Usama Bin Lain died in 2002"

[Duane Daman]

Seal Team 6 crash was an Inside Job..

"This is reportedly the largest one day loss of troops in the 10 year war in Afghanistan and it just happens to be Seal Team 6. So now we are to buy that the men who took out OBL died in a helicopter crash months after pulling off the raid. Our inside sources told us months ago that all the Seals on the helicopter that crashed in the so called OBL raid died, yet the Obama admin says none were killed.

Witnesses on the ground in Pakistan told national News outlets that the Seals went in to the compound then came out got in a stealth craft and it exploded. The video with the witnesses is posted on Infowars.com in our news report titled "Seal Team 6 Deaths Exposed". Now the globalists may have killed off the rest of the Seal team that made it out in the other stealth helicopter from the OBL raid to tie up loose ends. Bottom line the official bin Laden raid story is a proven fraud so it is no wonder that this story does not add up."

[Len Colby]

I think it is ironic that you are so critical of Beck but seem to unquestioningly accept the undocumented ranting of another TV/radio demagogue. The only evidence Jones provided was a link to a video clip in which two neighbors of the Abottottabad compound told the Chinese propaganda channel CCTV that they didn’t think OBL had lived there because they never saw him. But obviously someone with a $ 25 million price on their head will keep a low profile especially in a country where per capita income averages just over $1000/year. And Jones failed to mention that a Pakistani expert on the Taliban interviewed for the same story said OBL was in compound.

[Duane Daman]

This has nothing to do with defending Alex Jones or making fun of Glenn Beck .. I could see that something was very wrong with the official bin Laden, Seal Team 6 story, before watching the the Alex Jones videos.

First of all, the official story changed repeatedly as to how "bin Laden" was killed.. Second of all, no pictures or DNA analysis were ever released to the public, proving that it was really bin Laden who was murdered in cold blood at that compound.

Don't you find it a bit odd that the Navy Seal team, who allegedly killed bin Laden, have now been killed in an Army Airbus, in the middle of a dangerous war zone? .. What were 22 members of that elite team doing on one of the most dangerous means of transportation the Army has to offer??? .. They might as well have put a big target on that chopper, with a message on the side of it reading, "Here's the team who killed your leader".

Or if you don't buy into the official story that the bad guys hit the chopper with a shoulder launched missle, then we're left with the frightening possibility that the team was taken out by friendly fire, as a means to silence them before they had the chance to talk about who was really murdered at in that compound raid and why.

So the guys who allegedly killed and silenced bin Laden have now been killed and silenced .. Plus, according the latest disinformation on Fox News this morning, the bad guys who allegedly killed and silenced Team 6 have now been killed and silenced.

Sounds about as convenient as the LHO and Jack Ruby scenario to me.

Edited August 10, 2011 by Duane Daman

[Duane Daman]

Inside Scoop: Shot Down Black-Op Seals Won't Be Talking Now

Saturday, August 06, 2011 6:51

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31 American military personnel were killed when the Boeing Chinook helicopter in which they were flying crashed in Afghanistan.

Of the thirty-one killed, twenty were members of SEAL Team 6... *Now changed to 17*

More importantly, I’ve been reliably informed (by a retired Colonel, US Army intel) that these very same operatives were the men who allegedly killed Usama bin Laden recently in Abbottabad. [NB: Seal Team 6 is an ultra-elite group of "black" operatives who exist outside military protocol, engage in operations that are at the highest level of classification, and often outside the bounds of international law.]

The official story is that the Taliban shot down the chopper. I have my doubts (as do many others far more savvy than yours truly).

[Remember Pat Tillman, the Pro Football star who forsook a megabuck contract and volunteered to go fight in Afghanistan in the heat of the post-9/11 patriotic frenzy? The official story is that Tillman was killed in a friendly-fire incident. According to reports from several US military personnel (a few of whom I know), Pat Tillman was assassinated by his own government. Reportedly, Tillman, the quintessential poster-boy for military recruitment, was waking up to the 9/11 lie, and was beginning to get a little too loose-lipped for his own good. Word traveled up the chain fast. Three bullets to the head fired at close range killed him. Friendly-fire indeed.]

"We are never deceived; we deceive ourselves." - Goethe

Usama’s “recent death” brings to mind photos that made international headlines during the Iraq invasion.

Remember that iconic image of cheering Iraqis helping bring down the statue of Saddam? A Marine I know told me he had a friend who was actually there, on the ground, in that town square. Evidently, there were no more than 50 Iraqis in that “cheering crowd” — and virtually all of them were paid to participate in the photo shoot. [Did you happen to notice there was only one tightly cropped shot from just one camera angle? The rest of the square was virtually empty, save for US military personnel and equipment.]

Then there was that other classic shot, of a bearded and bedraggled Saddam crawling out of a hole with his hands pathetically held up in the air in a gesture of utter defeat. Remember that one?

Again, rigged. I’m personally acquainted with a former Marine who knows one of the guys who actually helped stage that sordid affair.

Truth is, Saddam was finally cornered in the home of one of his friends, and he fought valiantly to the last bullet. He was eventually nabbed, mussed up further (he apparently didn’t look great to begin), physically forced into the hole, and dirt thrown on him for good measure to ensure a Hollywood-grade image. That photo’s singular intent was to demoralize the Iraqi populace by showing their leader cowering in abject defeat.

Usama bin Laden’s REAL Death

It is generally known by military insiders (and others who look to alternative sources for their news) that Usama bin Laden died of natural causes in 2001. He had just returned to Pakistan from Dubai following medical treatment at the American Hospital.

As early as March, 2000, Asia Week expressed concern for bin Laden's health, describing a serious medical problem that could put his life in danger because of "a kidney infection that is propagating itself to the liver and requires specialized treatment.”

Having taken off from Quetta in Pakistan, bin Laden arrived in Dubai and was transferred to the American Hospital. He was accompanied by his personal physician and a ‘faithful lieutenant’ (possibly al-Zawahiri). Usama was admitted to the well-respected urology department run by Dr. Terry Callaway, an American gallstone and infertility specialist.

Bin Laden was checked into one of the hospital’s VIP suites. While there, he received visits from many members of his family as well as prominent Saudis and Emiratis. During the hospital stay, the local CIA agent, known to many in Dubai, was seen taking the main elevator of the hospital to bin Laden's floor.

A few days later, the CIA man bragged to a few friends about having visited bin Laden. Reliable sources report that on July 15th, the day after bin Laden returned to Quetta, the CIA agent was recalled to headquarters. [NB: Contacts between the CIA and bin Laden began in 1979 when, as a representative of his family's business, he began recruiting volunteers for the Afghan resistance against the Soviet Red Army.]

The LAST ‘Death’ of bin Laden

What the world has been told about the recent “Death of Usama bin Laden” is pitiful and laughably absurd (especially the parts about no forensic tests having been performed, and the body quickly dumped into the sea. That last doctored photo was the clincher).

Truth is, bin Laden’s bin dead a long time.

The charade in Abbottabad was one massive a psyop to provide soothing peace of mind for the American public subject to full-throttle media propaganda, while continuing, unabatedly, one of the greatest, deadliest, and most expensive hoaxes of all time: 9/11 and "The War on Terror."

And now, every single SEAL Team 6 member who was involved in the ‘assassination’ psyop is dead.

Incidentally, I had to smile when I saw one particularly amusing headline re Usama’s latest death, in the US publication Business Insider: “Meet The 'Seal Team 6', The Bad-Asses Who Killed Osama Bin Laden”

Well, all those hapless ‘bad asses’ are now dead.

And dead men don’t talk.

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/917/461/Inside_Scoop:_Shot_Down_Black-Op_Seals_Wont_Be_Talking_Now.html

[Glenn Viklund]

Duane,

It's impressive. This thing about you having all the answers (for now, let's just leave the evidence aside). So why don't we get back to the original subject of this thread and the questions I asked, shall we?

*The Taliban have publicly recognized that Bin Ladin was killed by the Americans - and demanded revenge.

*Bin Ladins wife, and Bin Ladins daugther, have both confirmed the killing of UBL.

*The Al qaida No 2, Ayman Al Zawahiri has, in a taped statement, confirmed that "they will require revenge" for the killing of "the sheijk, Osama Bin Ladin".

Please enlighten me as to how the above facts are absorbed into your theories. If that's not doable, then I'm sure you will be able to explain the hoaxes, lies and disinfo that obviously has somehow trickled in here.

[Len Colby]

Sorry Duane but neither article you posted offered anything more than undocumented claims and baseless speculation. Even if the author of the 2nd one wasn’t BSing why would we expect “a retired Colonel, US Army intel)” to have inside information about the recent membership of a highly secretive Navy special ops team?

Don't you find it a bit odd that the Navy Seal team, who allegedly killed bin Laden, have now been killed in an Army Airbus, in the middle of a dangerous war zone? ..

Airbus? It was a helicopter. Why do “you find it a bit odd that” a special forces team would be deployed to “a dangerous war zone”?

What were 22 members of that elite team doing on one of the most dangerous means of transportation the Army has to offer???

Who says that Chinooks are “one of the most dangerous means of transportation the Army has to offer?” I assume helicopters were used because they are faster (and in some cases safer) that ground transportation.

.. They might as well have put a big target on that chopper, with a message on the side of it reading, "Here's the team who killed your leader".

How would they have known SEALS let alone members of Team 6, let alone the ones who killed OBL were on the helicopter? Who says the men killed participated in the assassination of OBL?

Plus, according the latest disinformation on Fox News this morning, the bad guys who allegedly killed and silenced Team 6 have now been killed and silenced.

Why is that suspicious?

[Glenn Viklund]

Plus, according the latest disinformation on Fox News this morning, the bad guys who allegedly killed and silenced Team 6 have now been killed and silenced.

Let's see.

Those who killed the killers are now killed. And those who killed those who killed the killers should be killed shortly.

It just never stops.

Those with all these fantastic ideas about what their realitys looks like, will never stop intangle themselves in ridiculous endless circles. The problem is that the initial reason for the appearance of those circles is unknown and not qualified to anyone but those Internet buffs who listen to all kinds of self professed experts.

Sad, to say the least.

EDIT.

It's stunning, no less.

Storys appears, and seconds later buffs are out there declaring this and that.

Now, let's digest this latest development for a while, before commenting, shall we? What about the possibility that pretty soon one or more of the widows to one of those killed in Afghanistan in the chopper incident speaks out?

Just as Bin Ladins daughter and wife did? Would it make a difference?

Shall we?

Edited August 12, 2011 by Glenn Viklund

[Duane Daman]

It's impressive. This thing about you having all the answers (for now, let's just leave the evidence aside). So why don't we get back to the original subject of this thread and the questions I asked, shall we?

I never claimed to have all the answers .. I've only submitted what some say is inside info on why and how the Navy Seal Team were killed and why the murder of bin Laden is a myth.

The Taliban have publicly recognized that Bin Ladin was killed by the Americans - and demanded revenge.

According to what sources? .. I've never seen any interview with any Taliban members who claim that bin Laden was killed in that raid.. I don't watch the news 24/7, so there's a possiblilty I missed it .. but then again, there's always the possibility that if any alleged "Taliban" member did make that claim, that it's just more US propaganda/disinformation.

Bin Ladins wife, and Bin Ladins daugther, have both confirmed the killing of UBL.

Have you seen them interviewed? .. And if so, what proof do you have that these women are who they say they are, and that they aren't part of a CIA cover up?

The Al qaida No 2, Ayman Al Zawahiri has, in a taped statement, confirmed that "they will require revenge" for the killing of "the sheijk, Osama Bin Ladin".

Did he claim that bin Laden was actually killed in that particular raid, or was it just a general statement about the Taliban seeking revenge for his death? .. For all we know, they could be using bin Laden's alleged murder as just another reason to kill Americans.

Please enlighten me as to how the above facts are absorbed into your theories. If that's not doable, then I'm sure you will be able to explain the hoaxes, lies and disinfo that obviously has somehow trickled in here.

Where is the proof that they are facts?.. There's more evidence kicking around that bin Laden died many years ago from certain illnesses, than there is that he was just killed in a Navy Seal operation.. In fact, there's no proof at all that he was just killed in that raid.

Like I've said before, NO BODY, NO PICTURES OF DEAD BODY, NO PHYSICAL PROOF THAT BIN LADIN WAS MURDERED IN THAT "FIREFIGHT" = NO CIGAR!

[Duane Daman]

Sad, to say the least.

What's really sad is the amount of disinformation being peddled by the US government, that is accepted as fact, even when none of it adds up, and the official story of bin Laden's alleged recent murder keeps changing.

Now, let's digest this latest development for a while, before commenting, shall we? What about the possibility that pretty soon one or more of the widows to one of those killed in Afghanistan in the chopper incident speaks out?

Just as Bin Ladins daughter and wife did? Would it make a difference?

Shall we?

What exactly do you think they would like to speak out about? .. Their suspicions (or possible knowledge) that the raid on that compound was just another political stunt?.. Or maybe their suspicions (or possible knowledge) of why their Team 6 husbands are now all dead? .. Unfortunately, there's about as much chance of them speaking out as their now dead husbands.

As for bin Laden's alleged wife and daughter, they could be part of the scam.. Especially if it wasn't really bin Laden who was killed during that raid.. According to the article I posted, eyewitness outside the compound stated that the Navy Seals onboard the chopper that crashed were killed.. That one chopper never even landed, and that the 12 Seals who actually went into the compound, from the chopper that did land, came out with no dead body in tow.

Bottom line is, the official story does not add up.. As usual.

[Duane Daman]

Sorry Duane but neither article you posted offered anything more than undocumented claims and baseless speculation. Even if the author of the 2nd one wasn’t BSing why would we expect “a retired Colonel, US Army intel)” to have inside information about the recent membership of a highly secretive Navy special ops team?

The official story of bin Laden's alleged recent murder amounts to undocumented claims and baseless speculation.. Or do you perhaps have inside knowledge which proves it was really bin Laden who was killed in that raid, or that Navy Seal Team 6 was really taken out by enemy fire? .. If that team were so secretive, what were they all doing together, like a pack of sitting ducks, in a regular Army helicopter?

Airbus? It was a helicopter. Why do “you find it a bit odd that” a special forces team would be deployed to “a dangerous war zone”?

It's the size of an airbus .. I don't find it odd that they were deployed to dangerous war zone .. I find it odd that they were all placed in an Army helicopter, notorious for being an easy target.

Who says that Chinooks are “one of the most dangerous means of transportation the Army has to offer?” I assume helicopters were used because they are faster (and in some cases safer) that ground transportation.

The Army has admitted that the Chinooks are one of the most dangerous means of transportation... That's why they are never used to transport that many special ops forces.... until now.

How would they have known SEALS let alone members of Team 6, let alone the ones who killed OBL were on the helicopter? Who says the men killed participated in the assassination of OBL?

No one said "they" did know.. Interesting question, considering the fact that we all know who did know which team was in that Chinook.

Why is that suspicious?

The bad guys, who allegedy killed the good guys, who allegedly killed the BIGGEST BAD GUY of all time, are now all dead and can't talk .. Yet you don't find that the least bit suspicious???

[Duane Daman]

Navy Seal Team 6 – The Cover-up Continues

Posted on August 10, 2011 by Ask Marion

Navy Seals Team 6 – Update or Conspiracy Alert

US (Obama) bars media from covering return of 30 dead soldiers killed in Afghanistan

WASHINGTON: The Pentagon has ruled out media coverage of a ceremony marking the return of 30 US soldiers, including 22 Navy SEALs, who were killed when the helicopter they were travelling in was shot down in Afghanistan.

The return of the remains in flag draped coffins to the Dover Air Force Base in Delaware, possibly today, was denied media coverage because given the nature of the attack there were “no identifiable remains” of these servicemen, Pentagon spokesman Marine Col David Lapan told reporters during an off camera briefing.

The International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan said the CH-47 Chinook helicopter was reportedly shot down by an insurgent rocket-propelled grenade while transporting the US service members and Afghan commandos to the scene of an engagement between ISAF and insurgent forces.

As a result of the attack, the helicopter exploded in midair, killing everyone on board.

“Due to the catastrophic nature of the crash, the remains of our fallen service members will be returned to the US via Dover AFB in unidentified status, until they can be positively identified by the Armed Forces Mortuary Affairs Office at Dover,” another Pentagon spokesman, Navy Captain Jane Campbell said in a statement later.

“Because the remains are unidentified at this point, next-of-kin are not in a position to grant approval for media access to the dignified transfer,” he said.

Therefore, in accordance with the policy of the Department of Defense, no media coverage of the arrival and dignified transfer is permitted, Campbell said.

“Families will however, be given the opportunity to be present for the arrival,” he said.

Coverage of arrival of soldiers killed in battlefield was banned for the media during the previous Bush administration.

The Obama administration permitted media coverage of the return ceremony for service members killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, subject to the approval by the next-of-kin. But this time the Department of Defense ruled against the media coverage.

Pentagon Press Association president Nancy Youssef said the organization has protested the decision to ban media coverage and had sought to reverse the decision. posted at Times of India - US

Navy Seals Team 6 – Update or Conspiracy Alert

Posted by Ask Marion on 7, 2011

Saturday, August 6th, 2011 Fox news released the alert early in the day that twenty members of Seal Team Six, the unit responsible for getting Osama Bin Laden were killed in Afghanistan. Additional information trickled out bit by bit… And in minutes the blogosphere lit up. More people than not immediately felt and stated their suspicions that something was just not right with this news.

Then mysteriously by the end of the day the reports began to change and the news was “corrected”, now it was being reported that it wasn’t any of the guys from the Bin Laden mission but other Seals.

We have friends who has a son serving right now that is part of a Special Forces Team and just back states side at a base filled with Special Forces. He says that everyone of them believes that there is something fishy with the deaths, the reports, the events and especially the changing story. Below is some input:

Was Seal Team Six Executed by Obama Administration?

The shocking death of the SEALS who took out bin Laden is starting to stink like a corpse. And the one who’s sniffing that stench the loudest is Ann Barnhardt. Immediately upon the tragic news of the deaths of Seal Team 6, Ann erupted with disgust at why President Obama’s staff had blared news of the deaths before the families of the deceased had themselves been notified. This is NOT in accordance with military protocol. She was also vehemently suspicious of just how Obama had been able to know the identities of the dead personnel when there hadn’t been enough time for DNA analysis; indeed, most of the bodies hadn’t yet been recovered. But most of all she was highly suspicious as to just how the bumbling buffoons of the Taliban had been able to take out the elite Seals. We all know that America’s soldiers on the ground in Afghanistan are awesome – but, face it folks, the Seals are a breed apart.

Seals operate in total secrecy, nobody knows who they are, where they are or what they’re doing; in short, the Seals are ‘invisible’ to the world, including their own fellow soldiers. In fact, the Seals are ‘invisible’ to themselves in terms of knowing where they will be within the next hour or what they will be doing. That secrecy protects them. And the protection is ratcheted even higher when one adds in the amazing agility with which Seals move; finding them is nearly impossible because they slip and slide amongst the landscape like – well, like seals do in the ocean, darting at awesome speeds in the twinkling of an eye. Which means that even if you DO get them in your sights, their speed is so incredible they could vanish before you pull the trigger. So, given the slovenly ineptitude of the Taliban (a ragtag bunch of losers who more often blow themselves up instead of their targets), it is unthinkable that such a band of incompetents would have been able to execute such a huge number of highly trained, incredibly well-protected Seals. It was akin to a high school dweeb taking down Bruce Lee with a single kick.

As far as Barnhardt was concerned, the death of the Seals could only have happened because of insider information. The Taliban had to have known exactly where and when those Seals would be appear on the landscape – and had to been waiting with proper weaponry that would fire at precisely the right moment and angle. Only then could all of those Seals been taken down. The Seals wouldn’t have told the Taliban, their brother officers wouldn’t have and neither would have their immediate superiors. No, only someone much higher up, someone privy to top secret information could have given that out. And once you understand that an attack of this magnitude needed an insider, the next logical question is – why would the insider do that? What would be their motive?

Well, if that insider were a President who refused to take out bin Laden because that President didn’t want to ‘upset’ the Muslims, than getting revenge on the ones who did is a whopper of a motive. A fit of the self-pitying sulks only makes the motive worse. Contrary to the lies from his administration, Obama was not glorified by the take down of bin Laden, he was instead humiliated. This is because Obama never had a single thing to do with the terrorist’s death; it was all the work of CIA Director Leon Panetta. Four months before the attack on the terrorist, Panetta and General Petraeus had located bin Laden’s whereabouts and begged the President to authorize a takedown of the murderer. But Obama flatly refused. He was more concerned with the feelings of the Muslim world than the grief and pain of the American victims of 9/11. Enraged by Obama’s stance, Panetta then staged a palace coup by secretly organizing the entire operation himself (with the explicit cooperation of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and then Secretary of Defense Robert Gates). The killing of bin Laden was thus Panetta’s triumph, not the Commander in Chief – which accounts for that humiliating picture of the Command Center in the White House basement on the night bin Laden died. Whereas Clinton, Gates and even VP Biden are all seated at the command table as they’re briefed (off camera) by Panetta on the takedown, the President of the United States is banished from the table to squat in the corner like a tyke on his potty straining to make Number 2. (Obama even has his finger in his mouth.) It also explains why Obama’s nanny, Valerie Jarrett, was nowhere in sight. Because she’d shrieked even worse than Obama against taking out the terrorist because of her concern for Muslim ‘good will’, Panetta had slammed the door of the room shut in her face. Trust me – Valerie and Barack had more than enough motive to ‘punish’ the Seals.

Well, someone did just that because now the Seals are dead. Barnhardt is smelling a rat – and I am also. And the smell is only getting worse with the news (which Barnhardt outlines below) that the Seals themselves were not only clumped together in abnormally huge numbers (they never travel in large packs) but were also NOT traveling in their usual specially armored choppers.

I hope and pray that I (and Ann) are wrong. But I don’t think so.

http://askmarion.wordpress.com/2011/08/10/navy-seal-team-6-the-cover-up-continues/

[Duane Daman]

Continued...

Tip from Afghanistan

Posted by Ann Barnhardt – August 7, AD 2011 6:57 AM MST

I received a tip from a soldier stationed with an aviation brigade out of Jalalabad overnight.

“Almost immediately, after news of the crash began to spread, we were placed in an internet and phone blackout. This means communication with family, friends and “others” back home, in real time, is prevented until further notice.

However, there are also chinook pilots, crews and mechanics assigned here who were privy to the details of the crash almost immediately. One of confirmed details they have been discussing is that the chinook shot down belonged to a National Guard unit. Which is causing people to whisper in astonishment, “why were some of the most elite of America’s military, in such large numbers, tooling around on a National Guard aircraft?”

Also, those around me are wondering why such a large number(extremely unconventional for Seals, Green Berets, etc) of them riding in a single aircraft instead of being spread out into numerous aircraft.

Without question, I mean no disrespect to the pilots and crew of the National Guard aircraft, but the fact is that it’s very “strange” that Seals would be conducting an actual mission, with such large numbers, in such a basic aircraft. Especially, given the fact, that there were special operation chinooks easily available, and sitting idle, when this tragedy took place.”

I am not a journalist. I have no means of checking this. But SOMEONE needs to investigate if in fact the SEALS were on a National Guard helo, if there were SPECOPS Chinooks available and idle, and what the difference in armament is between Guard Chinooks and SPECOPS Chinooks. This potential difference in armament is HUGE and could account for the possibility of the Chinook being shot down by an RPG, if that is what happened.

Hello? Journalists? Anyone out there?

UPDATE: The SPECOPS Chinook is a very different beast that is heavily upgraded with enhanced survivability features. It is the Boeing MH-47E/G. Boeing’s Homepage for the SPECOPS chinook here. The soldier quoted above contends that the SEALS were NOT in one of these units, but rather in a standard Chinook while these SPECOPS Chinooks were available and sitting idle. Again, a JOURNALIST needs to confirm this.

UPDATE 2: From a reader:

Ann,

You are on to something here. I was in the 160th 1982- 1985 and I can tell you that the reason the aviation wing was created was so special ops would never again have to fly missions with anyone other than their own pilots and birds.

UPDATE 3: From a reader:

Ann, I’m sure you’re getting a lot of notes on the Chinook debacle. I’m retired USAF familiar with how the system works when it comes to the questions asked by your Jalalabad contact. First, look to the Command Authority. Dispersion protocols are almost never broken except on direct order up the chain high enough that nobody could question or refuse the order without jeopardizing their career.Second, ‘who benefits’? Follow the trail of beneficiaries to the incident. Tactically, intell had to be passed to the shooters as to the timetable. I’m willing to bet that there were several RPG’s (if not Stinger’s – remember, we provided quite a few and never kept a record during the Soviet incursion into Afghanistan) involved. Then, once fired, the shooters had to egress unseen to fight another day. Many people I know, including some recently back from that area say this stinks to high Heaven, as you do.

Updated August 8, 2011 3:30pm ET

Today 31 NATO troops, 20 of them Navy Seals from the Osama bin Laden operation died in what is reported as a helicopter crash in Afghanistan.

The chances of this story being true is almost nil. The chances of this being a staged cover-up is over 80%. We believe these people were murdered to silence them. This is why.

Some Possibly Killed in Abbottabad Helicopter Crash Months Before

By Gordon Duff, Senior Editor – Veteran Times

We have solid information on two areas:

1.Osama bin Laden died in 2001 as an active CIA employee and his body was recovered in Afghanistan and taken to “the sand box.” We were told it was frozen. We have so much verification from this, CIA, ISI, US military and top officials. I have a direct confirmation from Bin Laden’s CIA handler who I grilled mercilessly on this.

2.The Abbottabad operation involved numerous American deaths, witnessed, bodies all over, a helicopter crash. (suppressed translated TV interview below) These bodies were recovered by land vehicle from Islamabad and there was NO “successful” bin Laden operation of any kind. There was and has been a CIA safe house in Abbotabad where terror suspects were stored for years.

This gave the US several areas of severe vulnerability. Generally, Navy Seals are the best people in the world at keeping their mouths shut, these are real team players, as the term “Seal Team” belies.

We at VT were informed that the bin Laden operation was staged at this time, a theatrical farce, to cover the exit of Secretary Gates, the move by former CIA Director Leon Panetta into the DOD as Secretary of Defense and to stem any heroic claims by new CIA Director Petraeus of killing the long dead Osama bin Laden, the long frozen CIA operative.

Petraeus is a possible presidential contender and had to be denied this “gift from heaven,” a fast track to the oval office for sure.

Will We Ever Know What Happened?

Again, I remind you, I went over specific meetings on bin Laden with his handlers, getting every last detail. I have watched what has gone on, the continuing need to vilify a long dead top CIA operative to provide residual cover for the Bush administration….

The reason? Bush and his cronies are all facing charges of war crimes, not just in minor jurisdictions but heading for the ICC, putting them on the dock with Gaddafi ( a far less harmful character).

As for the timing of this incident? This we will work on. What we can easily surmise is that some of the dead have been dead since their bodies were taken away from the helicopter crash site in Abbotabad.

Who would order such a thing? We are going to have to wait but we are going to find out. However, we expected this, the timing is exactly as predicted.

HOW VT TRIED TO SAVE THEM

When the phony Abbotbad operation came out, I immediately understood what happened. I also saw much potential good from it other than the tragedy of the dead Americans from the crash. I wrote of this and see their deaths as more heroic than many recognize.

They died to erase for all time remnants of the Bush era fairly tale of badguy and evildoer Osama bin Laden. Enough good men had died chasing a ghost who lived only in phony video and audio tapes by “Bin Laden Studios” in Tel Aviv and in the continual “boogeyman” rhetoric of professional fearmongers.

Not long afterward, Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, another able public servant announced the near defeat of Al Qaeda, another Bush fairly tale.

Al Qaeda has never existed, there are no magic worldwide terror conspiracies other than those run by governments. There are several of those and I have written extensively on these. Google will help you with this if you are curious.

When VT saw why the government staged this, we saw we could accomplish two things:

1.We could simply report the truth for those willing to believe it, something we believe is the right thing to do.

2.We could also support the United States in a very real way, knowing Pakistan would weather this crisis, timed, in some ways, as a face saving move in response to the embarrassing Raymond Davis affair. I believed if the truth came out, clear enough for insiders, intel and miliary for sure, to understand that we knew and other insiders knew, there would be no reason to “clean house” afterward, to stage a coverup and get rid of any involved.

Abbotabad – How Many Died Here?

I had felt that we had provided cover for the Seal Team, we hadn’t trashed them, we acknowledged the dead at Abbotabad where no one else bothered, this is our job as fellow members of America’s military forces (current and former).

More importantly, we got out word, I certainly did enough radio and TV on this, enough that, for anyone who care, the “truth was out there.”

This is all we could do but I hoped it would stem a need for covering tracks. After all, anyone leaking real information on the operation would only seem like they had gotten it from me and I put it out there in such a manner that I allowed room to be “debunked.”

I do this to protect myself but I really was thinking of them. These are great guys, Seals are among the best people on earth. The Seal and Special Forces communities are, of the military groups in the US, some of the finest people I know.

They also help cover my “behind,” which I appreciate.

This is just too obvious, too brazen. I can’t imagine it started at the White House or even cabinet level but maybe I am deluding myself. Bin Laden was all about the election.

After the bond collapse and credit disaster yesterday, anything threatening President Obama’s reelection is seen, by some, as a threat to America’s financial survival. This debt crisis is a bigger threat to the US than a Japanese invasion in 1942 would have been.

You may not see it that way and you certainly cant get out your hunting rifle to fix it. (Don’t be a sap, kill a Jap!)

Osama in Better Days

Someone had gotten to someone. My best guess and this is a guess…an expose’ by the mainstream media, perhaps Murdoch, another guess, conjecture I admit, regarding the farce at Abbottabad, information possibly gotten through spying, bribery and blackmail, threatened to take down Obama.

With Murdoch’s good friend and “monkeyboy,” Netanyahu ‘on the ropes,” with crowds marching in Israel’s streets demanding his ouster, we have more timing to factor in.

The bin Laden killing, the third rate drama of capturing an unarmed frozen dead guy and throwing him into the ocean had probably become an albatross around certain high ranking necks.

Norway was no accident, it was a warning too. It has been containerized, just as the Murdoch espionage issue is now “poor Rupert and the pie thrower.”

These Americans are casualties in a game, one like 9/11, sacrificial pawns, like Britain’s 7/7, all lies, all theatre, all evil.

This is not for public consumption. There are those who know exactly who I am talking to.

There are many of us here who still keep our mouths shut about so many things. There are too many who don’t even care, most of us at VT do. Yes, I am aware I can be jailed, I am aware my passport can be pulled, I already see the damned surveillance.

Amateurs.

We aren’t anti-American. I am simply sick of seeing solutions that go one direction, stealing everything that isn’t nailed down. I am also sick of the fact that Washington can’t visit the “head’ without Israel’s permission.

This…today, this is too much. It is unforgivable. We are not going to allow this to stand.

We have a long standing history of “cleaning house” after operations of this kind. Usually its dead senators in plane crashes, heart attacks, car wrecks, like the Minot Barksdale or 9/11 incidents. I could name a dozen more. Does the name Wheeler meaning anything to you? Anyone remember Pat Tillman?

But this many?

http://askmarion.wordpress.com/2011/08/10/navy-seal-team-6-the-cover-up-continues/

[Greg Burnham]

Perhaps CDR Monk Burnham would so kind as to tell us which "operational details" should not have been divulged.

Ex-CIA Officer: Leak of bin Laden Op Details 'Abhorrent'

By Henry J. Reske and Fred Fleitz

19 Aug 2011

"The sheer amount of leaked classified information about the operations and methods used by the Navy SEALs who killed Osama bin Laden is shocking and “abhorrent,” retired CIA officer Frederick Rustman told Newsmax.TV.

Rustman expressed shock over recent reports that the Obama administration may have shared classified information with a movie company making a film about the bin Laden mission.

“Frankly, I find it abhorrent, he said. “The number one job of a case officer or intelligence officer is to protect sources and methods. When we don’t do that we jeopardize all future operations. I read an article in the New Yorker recently which outlined the operation from start to finish. It did everything but name names.

“I can’t believe that people would do that for political purposes. I think it’s horrible,” Rustman said. “When I joined the agency quite a long time ago Richard Helms was the director. Under Mr. Helms there was no public relations department, no public affairs department. Whenever the press would call for a comment from the agency, the agency would say no comment. It’s a secret organization, they do secret work. It’s covert. Everything we say to the press goes out to our enemies. It’s a very, very bad thing to do.”

The SEALs who took out bin Laden probably weren’t operating under direct orders to kill the al-Qaida leader but had an understanding that it was best not to bring him back alive, Rustmann also told Newsmax.TV.

Rustmann, the founder of the private intelligence agency CTC International Group, said the situation might have been different if the operation occurred four years earlier.

“Well, I think there was a wink and a nod that yes we will shoot to kill,” he said. “I think four years ago that wouldn’t have been the case. Four years ago we probably would have wanted to capture him, to bring him back to Guantanamo, to interrogate him using enhanced or other interrogation techniques and get intelligence that would really bring down al-Qaida.

“Today, in this atmosphere, I think that would have been a very bad thing to do. First of all we would have been trying him in New York. Secondly, it would have brought all kinds of enthusiasms from other al-Qaida members to spring him out; he would use it as a grandstand for his views. I think he is better off dead.”

Rustmann retired from the CIA's Clandestine Service in 1990 as a member of the Senior Intelligence Service after more than 24 years with the agency. He served in posts in eight different countries in in Asia, Europe and Africa during the Cold War.

Nonetheless, he said that tried and true methods keep the bin Laden operation secret. He said sources were thoroughly vetted and polygraphed and the intelligence officers did painstaking work collecting information through interrogations and observations over months and perhaps years.

“So what they did was develop a name, they developed an accent, where is he probably from,” he said. “From there we learned who the courier was, we learned where he was living, we set up an observation post, we observed, we did a lot of really boring, boring intelligence work until we found that’s where bin Laden probably was.”

However, the threat from al-Qaida and other terrorists did not end with the killing of bin Laden. He said the United States has a two-prong strategy to fight attacks. The tip of the spear is the intelligence side, the FBI and the CIA, that work to prevent attacks and law enforcement whose goal is to arrest suspects and get them off the streets.

“The threats are out there,” Rustmann said. “They’re out there from homegrown terrorists like Timothy McVeigh and they’re out there from al-Qaida, the whole dynamic, the whole spectrum. … It’s not going to get any easier. They can pick the time, they can pick the place and we have to be there 100 percent of the time to thwart this stuff and it’s not going to happen.

“We’re going to get hit again; we’re going to get hit again hard. They are thinking up all kinds of crazy ways to do this, biological, chemical warfare, nuclear warfare that would be the worst. But they’re out there and they’re going to come after us.”

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Edited August 28, 2011 by Greg Burnham

[Len Colby]

Perhaps CDR Monk Burnham would so kind as to tell us which "operational details" should not have been divulged.

Ex-CIA Officer: Leak of bin Laden Op Details 'Abhorrent'

By Henry J. Reske and Fred Fleitz

19 Aug 2011

"The sheer amount of leaked classified information about the operations and methods used by the Navy SEALs who killed Osama bin Laden is shocking and “abhorrent,” retired CIA officer Frederick Rustman told Newsmax.TV.

Interesting that he failed to cite any specific details that he thought should not have been released. And ironic that he divulged operational details himself.

Nonetheless, he said that tried and true methods keep the bin Laden operation secret. He said sources were thoroughly vetted and polygraphed and the intelligence officers did painstaking work collecting information through interrogations and observations over months and perhaps years.

“So what they did was develop a name, they developed an accent, where is he probably from,” he said. “From there we learned who the courier was, we learned where he was living, we set up an observation post, we observed, we did a lot of really boring, boring intelligence work until we found that’s where bin Laden probably was.”

He claimed, without evidence, that the information was disclosed "for political purposes" but it seems Rustman is the one with a political agenda:

“Well, I think there was a wink and a nod that yes we will shoot to kill,” he said. “I think four years ago that wouldn’t have been the case. Four years ago we probably would have wanted to capture him, to bring him back to Guantanamo, to interrogate him using enhanced or other interrogation techniques and get intelligence that would really bring down al-Qaida.

“Today, in this atmosphere, I think that would have been a very bad thing to do. First of all we would have been trying him in New York. Secondly, it would have brought all kinds of enthusiasms from other al-Qaida members to spring him out; he would use it as a grandstand for his views. I think he is better off dead.”

[Len Colby]

The Army has admitted that the Chinooks are one of the most dangerous means of transportation... That's why they are never used to transport that many special ops forces.... until now.

Got a citation for that Lt. Col. Daman?