Guest Tom Scully Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 (edited) (An apology if it seems I am playing the "we are more alienated here, than you are there," because the truth is, we are not, but we should be, comparing our overall plight, to yours...) A pity this whistleblower could not be ruined by Cameron's aide, Coulson, here in the corporatist neo-fascist paradise of the USA. Coulson's firing of Sean Hoare, had it happened in the U.S., would have been an economic death sentence as well, bankrupting the uninsurable Hoare inevitably, and by intent. http://www.google.com/search?q=republican+medical+bankruptcy&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a#q=republican+medical+bankruptcy&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=PGw&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&tbm=nws&prmd=ivns&source=lnt&tbs=cdr:1,cd_min:2005,cd_max:2005&sa=X&ei=0KQkTty7DsnpgQe2gMW-Cw&ved=0CBAQpwUoBg&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=86d3017a6f760f47&biw=811&bih=493… Passes Bankruptcy Bill - Politics | Republican Party |... Fox News - Apr 14, 2005 ... medical bills and other obligations under a court-ordered bankruptcy plan. ... "We're going to call the Republican agenda what it truly is: a war on the ... NewsHour: Senate Debates Changes to Bankruptcy Laws --... PBS - Mar 2, 2005 But let's take a look at who is going to bankruptcy court today. Overwhelmingly the reason people go into bankruptcy court is because of medical bills, http://www.google.com/search?q=republican+medical+bankruptcy&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a#q=tea+party+cap&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=Aeb&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&tbs=qdr:h&tbm=nws&source=lnt&sa=X&ei=jqUkTpT1Jc3OgAeK8Mm-Cw&ved=0CCUQpwUoAQ&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=86d3017a6f760f47&biw=811&bih=493White House threatens veto of Tea Party debt plan 6abc.com - Julie Pace - Ben Feller - 9 minutes ago Tea party lawmakers are insisting on the effort to try to put their stamp on the debate over the so-called debt limit, and GOP leaders - lacking other ideas ... Bachmann in Columbia to sign spending limit pledge Beaumont Enterprise - Seanna Adcox - Jim Davenport - 29 minutes ago The US House is expected to vote on the tea party-backed "cut, cap and balance" plan on Tuesday, though it's sure to stall in the Senate. .. In the U.K., there is no such thing as bankruptcy primarily triggered by the expenses of medical care, and there seems still some semblance of justice and acountability.... http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/18/sean-hoare-news-of-the-worldSean Hoare knew how destructive the News of the World could be The courageous whistleblower who claimed Andy Coulson knew about phone hacking had a powerful motive for speaking out Nick Davies guardian.co.uk, Monday 18 July 2011 18.46 BST ....And the voicemail hacking was all part of the great game. The idea that it was a secret, or the work of some "rogue reporter", had him rocking in his chair: "Everyone was doing it. Everybody got a bit carried away with this power that they had. No one came close to catching us." He would hack messages and delete them so the competition could not hear them, or hack messages and swap them with mates on other papers. In the end, his body would not take it any more. He said he started to have fits, that his liver was in such a terrible state that a doctor told him he must be dead. And, as his health collapsed, he was sacked by the News of the World – by his old friend Coulson. When he spoke out about the voicemail hacking, some Conservative MPs were quick to smear him, spreading tales of his drug use as though that meant he was dishonest. He was genuinely offended by the lies being told by News International and always willing to help me and other reporters who were trying to expose the truth. He was equally offended when Scotland Yard's former assistant commissioner, John Yates, assigned officers to interview him, not as a witness but as a suspect. They told him anything he said could be used against him, and, to his credit, he refused to have anything to do with them. His health never recovered. He liked to say that he had stopped drinking, but he would treat himself to some red wine. He liked to say he didn't smoke any more, but he would stop for a cigarette on his way home. For better and worse, he was a Fleet Street man. In the U.S., I fear, the extremism on display in the relentless fealty to the wealthiest and legally immune one percent will result in a coming backlash in which a river of blood will flow. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/12/george-w-bush-torture George W Bush should be prosecuted over torture, says human rights group Human Rights Watch claims Obama administration 'failing to act on evidence', and also names Cheney and Rumsfeld in report Chris McGreal in Washington The Guardian, Tuesday 12 July 2011 .... Murdoch and all other elite criminals are still unaccountable here in the U.S. and they will continue to enjoy the most favorable tax treatment in any post-industrial society, even if the poor and the elderly are reduced to surviving on a diet of animal feed, at least until there is a persistent, violent reaction. Stay glued to your comfortable couches, there is always something distracting to view on your flat screen TV. Everyone follows a favorite sports team.... Edited July 18, 2011 by Tom Scully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Howard Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Murdoch's Watergate? His anything-goes approach has spreadthrough journalism like a contagion. Now it threatens to undermine theinfluence he so covets. by Carl BernsteinJuly 11, 2011 http://readersupport...dochs-watergate The hacking scandal currently shaking RupertMurdoch's empire will surprise only those who have willfully blinded themselvesto that empire's pernicious influence on journalism in the English-speakingworld. Too many of us have winked in amusement at the salaciousness withoutconsidering the larger corruption of journalism and politics promulgated byMurdoch Culture on both sides of the Atlantic. The facts of the case are astonishing in theirscope. Thousands of private phone messages hacked, presumably by peopleaffiliated with the Murdoch-owned Newsof the World newspaper, withthe violated parties ranging from Prince William and actor Hugh Grant to murdervictims and families of soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan. The arrest of Andy Coulson, former press chief to PrimeMinister David Cameron, for his role in the scandal during his tenure as thepaper's editor. The arrest (for the second time) of Clive Goodman, the paper'sformer royals editor. The shocking July 7 announcement that the paper wouldcease publication three days later, putting hundreds of employees out of work.Murdoch's bid to acquire full control of cable-news company BSkyB placed injeopardy. Allegations of bribery, wiretapping, and other forms oflawbreaking—not to mention the charge that emails were deleted by the millionsin order to thwart Scotland Yard's investigation. All of this surrounding a man and a media empirewith no serious rivals for political influence in Britain—especially, but not exclusively, among the conservativeTories who currently run the country. Almost every prime minister since theHarold Wilson era of the 1960s and '70s has paid obeisance to Murdoch and hisunmatched power. When Murdoch threw his annual London summer party for theUnited Kingdom's political, journalistic, and social elite at the Orangery inKensington Gardens on June 16, Prime Minister Cameron and his wife, Sam, werethere, as were Labour leader Ed Miliband and assorted other cabinet ministers. Murdoch associates, present and former—and hisbiographers—have said that one of his greatest long-term ambitions has been toreplicate that political and cultural power in the United States. For a long time his vehicle was the New York Post—notprofitable, but useful for increasing his eminence and working a wholesalechange not only in American journalism but in the broader culture as well. PageSix, emblematic in its carelessness about accuracy or truth or context—butoh-so-readable—became the model for the gossipization of an American presspreviously resistant to even considering publishing its like. (Murdoch accomplisheda similar debasement of the airwaves in the 1990s with the—tame by today'sfar-lower standards—tabloid television show HardCopy.) Then came the unfair and imbalanced politicized"news" of the Fox News Channel—showing (again) Murdoch's genius at building anempire on the basis of an ever-descending lowest journalistic denominator. It,too, rests on a foundation that has little or nothing to do with the besttraditions and values of real reporting and responsible journalism: the bestobtainable version of the truth. In place of this journalistic ideal, theenduring Murdoch ethic substitutes gossip, sensationalism, and manufacturedcontroversy. And finally, in 2007 The Wall Street Journal'ssquabbling family owners succumbed to his acumen, willpower, and money,fulfilling Murdoch's dream of owning an American newspaper to match theinfluence and prestige of his U.K. holding, TheTimes of London—one thatreally mattered, at the topmost tier of journalism. Between the Post, Fox News, and the Journal, it's hard to think of any otherindividual who has had a greater impact on American political and media culturein the past half century. But now the empire is shaking, and there's notelling when it will stop. My conversations with British journalists and politicians—allof them insistent on speaking anonymously to protect themselves fromretribution by the still-enormously powerful mogul—make evident that theshuttering of News of theWorld, and the officialinquiries announced by the British government, are the beginning, not the end,of the seismic event. News International, the British arm of Murdoch'smedia empire, "has always worked on the principle of omertà: 'Do not say anything toanybody outside the family, and we will look after you,' " notes a former Murdocheditor who knows the system well. "Now they are hanging people out to dry. Themoment you do that, the omertà is gone, and people are going to talk.It looks like a circular firing squad." News of the World wasalways Murdoch's "baby," one of the largest newspapers in the English-speakingworld, with 2.6 million readers. As anyone in the business will tell you, thestandards and culture of a journalistic institution are set from the top down,by its owner, publisher, and top editors. Reporters and editors do notroutinely break the law, bribe policemen, wiretap, and generally conductthemselves like thugs unless it is a matter of recognized and understoodpolicy. Private detectives and phone hackers do not become the primary sourcesof a newspaper's information without the tacit knowledge and approval of thepeople at the top, all the more so in the case of newspapers owned by RupertMurdoch, according to those who know him best. As one of his former top executives—once a closeaide—told me, "This scandal and all its implications could not have happenedanywhere else. Only in Murdoch's orbit. The hacking at News of the World was done on an industrial scale. Morethan anyone, Murdoch invented and established this culture in the newsroom,where you do whatever it takes to get the story, take no prisoners, destroy thecompetition, and the end will justify the means." "In the end, what you sow is what you reap," saidthis same executive. "Now Murdoch is a victim of the culture that he created.It is a logical conclusion, and it is his people at the top who encouragedlawbreaking and hacking phones and condoned it." Could Murdoch eventually be criminally charged? Hehas always surrounded himself with trusted subordinates and family members, soperhaps it is unlikely. Though Murdoch has strenuously denied any knowledge atall of the hacking and bribery, it's hard to believe that his top deputies atthe paper didn't think they had a green light from him to use suchuntraditional reportorial methods. Investigators are already assemblingvoluminous records that demonstrate the systemic lawbreaking at News of the World, and Scotland Yard seems to believewhat was happening in the newsroom was endemic at the highest levels at thepaper and evident within the corporate structure. Checks have been foundshowing tens of thousands of dollars of payments at a time. For this reporter, it is impossible not toconsider these facts through the prism of Watergate. When Bob Woodward and Icame up against difficult ethical questions, such as whether to approach grandjurors for information (which we did, and perhaps shouldn't have), we soughtexecutive editor Ben Bradlee's counsel, and he in turn called in the companylawyers, who gave the go-ahead and outlined the legal issues in full. PublisherKatharine Graham was informed. Likewise, Bradlee was aware when I obtainedprivate telephone and credit-card records of one of the Watergate figures. All institutions have lapses, even great ones,especially by individual rogue employees—famously in recent years at The Washington Post, The New York Times, and the three original TV networks. But can anyone whoknows and understands the journalistic process imagine the kind of tacticsregularly employed by the Murdoch press, especially at News of the World, being condoned at the Post or the Times? And then there's the other inevitable Watergatecomparison. The circumstances of the alleged lawbreaking within News Corp.suggest more than a passing resemblance to Richard Nixon presiding over a criminalconspiracy in which he insulated himself from specific knowledge of numerousindividual criminal acts while being himself responsible for and authorizinggeneral policies that routinely resulted in lawbreaking and unconstitutionalconduct. Not to mention his role in the cover-up. It will remain for Britishauthorities and, presumably, disgusted and/or legally squeezed News Corp.executives and editors to reveal exactly where the rot came from at News of the World, and whether Rupert Murdoch enabled, approved,or opposed the obvious corruption that infected his underlings. None of this is to deny Murdoch's competitivegenius, his superior understanding of the modern media marketplace, or hisdead-on reading of popular culture. He has made occasionally dull newspapersfun to read and TV news broadcasts fun to watch, and few of us would deny thereare days when we love it. He's been at his best when he's come in from theoutside: starting Sky News, which shook up a complacent British broadcastingestablishment; contradicting conventional American media wisdom that a fourthTV network (Fox) could never get off the ground; reducing the power ofBritain's printing trade unions that were exercising a stranglehold on the U.K.press. But Murdoch and his global media empire have a lotto answer for. He has not merely encouraged the metastasis of cutthroat tabloidjournalism on both sides of the Atlantic. But perhaps just as troubling, authorities in Britain may respond to popular outrage at the scandal by imposing thekind of regulations that cannot help but undermine a truly free press. The events of recent days are a watershed for Britain, for the United States, and for Rupert Murdoch. Tabloid journalism—and ourtabloid culture—may never be the same. Bernstein's most recent book is A Woman inCharge: The Life of Hillary Rodham Clinton. Correction: This article initially described Newsof the World as a daily paper. Well, the newest outrage would have to be the statement issued that journalist Bernard Hoare's sudden death is not considered suspicious. I suppose in an "Idiocracy" it wouldn't be, but what about among rational thinking persons? http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2011/07/18/ex-news-of-the-world-journalist-found-dead As for Ron Ecker's comments, I couldn't agree more, without Rubert Murdoch's Fox News right wing mudslinging, with gained ascendancy in the mid/late 1990's, the Republican noise machine here in the good old USA, would probably not even generate attention, as opposed to the current situation where politicians that cannot even articulate American history without butchering it have a "captive audience." Beam Me Up Scotty, there's obviously no intelligent life here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hogan Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 As with the JFK assassination, the witnesses are beginning to die. Sean Hoare, the News of the World journalist, who told the New York Times that Andy Coulson knew about the phone-hacking, was found dead today. Hoare was only in his mid-40s. A few excerpts from an article by Alex Ralph writing for The Australian: Mr Hoare was sacked from the News of the World by Mr Coulson because of the effects his drink and drug problems were having on his health. Mr Hoare, who had previously worked with Mr Coulsonon The Sun's Bizarre showbiz section and later at the Sunday People under Neil Wallis, was notorious on Fleet Street for his destructive lifestyle. He told a fellow journalist of his "rock star's breakfast" - Jack Daniels and a line of cocaine. He said he took three grams of cocaine a day, which cost him about $1500 a week. ........Although he was known to be in ill health and smoked and drank, he was still active. He recently attended a weekend children's party and had been injured taking down the marquee. He told The Guardian that he had broken his nose and injured his foot when he was struck by the pole. One neighbour said last night: "He was physically going down hill. He was yellow in colour and wasn't looking well for the last month and was off sorts and I was really worrying about him. Full article: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/sudden-death-of-news-of-the-world-whistleblower-shocks-colleagues/story-e6frg996-1226097373281 ____________________________________________________________________________ And as with the JFK assassination, it's going to prove difficult to sort fact from fiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Parker Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 As with the JFK assassination, the witnesses are beginning to die. Sean Hoare, the News of the World journalist, who told the New York Times that Andy Coulson knew about the phone-hacking, was found dead today. Hoare was only in his mid-40s. A few excerpts from an article by Alex Ralph writing for The Australian: Mr Hoare was sacked from the News of the World by Mr Coulson because of the effects his drink and drug problems were having on his health. Mr Hoare, who had previously worked with Mr Coulsonon The Sun's Bizarre showbiz section and later at the Sunday People under Neil Wallis, was notorious on Fleet Street for his destructive lifestyle. He told a fellow journalist of his "rock star's breakfast" - Jack Daniels and a line of cocaine. He said he took three grams of cocaine a day, which cost him about $1500 a week. ........Although he was known to be in ill health and smoked and drank, he was still active. He recently attended a weekend children's party and had been injured taking down the marquee. He told The Guardian that he had broken his nose and injured his foot when he was struck by the pole. One neighbour said last night: "He was physically going down hill. He was yellow in colour and wasn't looking well for the last month and was off sorts and I was really worrying about him. Full article: http://www.theaustra...6-1226097373281 ____________________________________________________________________________ And as with the JFK assassination, it's going to prove difficult to sort fact from fiction. In this case, I don't think it's too hard. "The Australian" is owned by News Corp.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom Scully Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 Uhhhh...is The Guardian owned by Murdoch, too? How far did Penn Jones get, with the "look at all the dead witnesses," stuff? There is not yet another David Kelly in this story, and mark my words, there will only be a limited investigation conducted in the U.S., because here there are a class of people and their corporations who truly are deemed unaccountable, so it would be even more stupid for anyone connected with this to kill a whistleblower who already blew the whistle and who is so ill that his skin is visibly jaundiced. .............. http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/18/sean-hoare-news-of-the-worldSean Hoare knew how destructive the News of the World could be The courageous whistleblower who claimed Andy Coulson knew about phone hacking had a powerful motive for speaking out Nick Davies guardian.co.uk, Monday 18 July 2011 18.46 BST ....And the voicemail hacking was all part of the great game. The idea that it was a secret, or the work of some "rogue reporter", had him rocking in his chair: "Everyone was doing it. Everybody got a bit carried away with this power that they had. No one came close to catching us." He would hack messages and delete them so the competition could not hear them, or hack messages and swap them with mates on other papers. In the end, his body would not take it any more. He said he started to have fits, that his liver was in such a terrible state that a doctor told him he must be dead. And, as his health collapsed, he was sacked by the News of the World – by his old friend Coulson. When he spoke out about the voicemail hacking, some Conservative MPs were quick to smear him, spreading tales of his drug use as though that meant he was dishonest. He was genuinely offended by the lies being told by News International and always willing to help me and other reporters who were trying to expose the truth. He was equally offended when Scotland Yard's former assistant commissioner, John Yates, assigned officers to interview him, not as a witness but as a suspect. They told him anything he said could be used against him, and, to his credit, he refused to have anything to do with them. His health never recovered. He liked to say that he had stopped drinking, but he would treat himself to some red wine. He liked to say he didn't smoke any more, but he would stop for a cigarette on his way home. For better and worse, he was a Fleet Street man. ................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hogan Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 As with the JFK assassination, the witnesses are beginning to die. Sean Hoare, the News of the World journalist, who told the New York Times that Andy Coulson knew about the phone-hacking, was found dead today. Hoare was only in his mid-40s. A few excerpts from an article by Alex Ralph writing for The Australian: Mr Hoare was sacked from the News of the World by Mr Coulson because of the effects his drink and drug problems were having on his health. Mr Hoare, who had previously worked with Mr Coulsonon The Sun's Bizarre showbiz section and later at the Sunday People under Neil Wallis, was notorious on Fleet Street for his destructive lifestyle. He told a fellow journalist of his "rock star's breakfast" - Jack Daniels and a line of cocaine. He said he took three grams of cocaine a day, which cost him about $1500 a week. ........Although he was known to be in ill health and smoked and drank, he was still active. He recently attended a weekend children's party and had been injured taking down the marquee. He told The Guardian that he had broken his nose and injured his foot when he was struck by the pole. One neighbour said last night: "He was physically going down hill. He was yellow in colour and wasn't looking well for the last month and was off sorts and I was really worrying about him. Full article: http://www.theaustra...6-1226097373281 ____________________________________________________________________________ And as with the JFK assassination, it's going to prove difficult to sort fact from fiction. In this case, I don't think it's too hard. "The Australian" is owned by News Corp.... So the article is fictitious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Parker Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 As with the JFK assassination, the witnesses are beginning to die. Sean Hoare, the News of the World journalist, who told the New York Times that Andy Coulson knew about the phone-hacking, was found dead today. Hoare was only in his mid-40s. A few excerpts from an article by Alex Ralph writing for The Australian: Mr Hoare was sacked from the News of the World by Mr Coulson because of the effects his drink and drug problems were having on his health. Mr Hoare, who had previously worked with Mr Coulsonon The Sun's Bizarre showbiz section and later at the Sunday People under Neil Wallis, was notorious on Fleet Street for his destructive lifestyle. He told a fellow journalist of his "rock star's breakfast" - Jack Daniels and a line of cocaine. He said he took three grams of cocaine a day, which cost him about $1500 a week. ........Although he was known to be in ill health and smoked and drank, he was still active. He recently attended a weekend children's party and had been injured taking down the marquee. He told The Guardian that he had broken his nose and injured his foot when he was struck by the pole. One neighbour said last night: "He was physically going down hill. He was yellow in colour and wasn't looking well for the last month and was off sorts and I was really worrying about him. Full article: http://www.theaustra...6-1226097373281 ____________________________________________________________________________ And as with the JFK assassination, it's going to prove difficult to sort fact from fiction. In this case, I don't think it's too hard. "The Australian" is owned by News Corp.... So the article is fictitious? No. The article is "fair & balanced". In the usual News Corp fashion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Simkin Posted July 19, 2011 Author Share Posted July 19, 2011 As with the JFK assassination, the witnesses are beginning to die. Sean Hoare, the News of the World journalist, who told the New York Times that Andy Coulson knew about the phone-hacking, was found dead today. Hoare was only in his mid-40s. A few excerpts from an article by Alex Ralph writing for The Australian: Mr Hoare was sacked from the News of the World by Mr Coulson because of the effects his drink and drug problems were having on his health. Mr Hoare, who had previously worked with Mr Coulsonon The Sun's Bizarre showbiz section and later at the Sunday People under Neil Wallis, was notorious on Fleet Street for his destructive lifestyle. He told a fellow journalist of his "rock star's breakfast" - Jack Daniels and a line of cocaine. He said he took three grams of cocaine a day, which cost him about $1500 a week. ........Although he was known to be in ill health and smoked and drank, he was still active. He recently attended a weekend children's party and had been injured taking down the marquee. He told The Guardian that he had broken his nose and injured his foot when he was struck by the pole. One neighbour said last night: "He was physically going down hill. He was yellow in colour and wasn't looking well for the last month and was off sorts and I was really worrying about him. Full article: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/sudden-death-of-news-of-the-world-whistleblower-shocks-colleagues/story-e6frg996-1226097373281 ____________________________________________________________________________ And as with the JFK assassination, it's going to prove difficult to sort fact from fiction. Hoare gave a filmed interview with the BBC. Can this be used as evidence in court? Not only did he say that Coulson ordered phone-hacking, but the police were paid for information. In a BBC radio interview he said Coulson's insistence he did not know of the practice was "a lie, it is simply a lie". Hoare said he was once a close friend of Coulson's, and told the New York Times the two first worked together at the Sun, where, Hoare said, he played recordings of hacked messages for Coulson. At the News of the World, Hoare said, he continued to inform Coulson of his activities. The police kept him quiet by interviewing him under caution rather than as a witness. Is it a coincidence that Hoare died on the same day that the John Yates, the man who said the case did not need to be reopened, resigned (he did this instead of being suspended and investigated). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hogan Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 So the article is fictitious? No. The article is "fair & balanced". In the usual News Corp fashion. If the "investigators" are as clever as Greg, they'll certainly get to the bottom of things in short order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Simkin Posted July 19, 2011 Author Share Posted July 19, 2011 Police are not treating the death of Sean Hoare as suspicious. That was quick... UPDATE: Police describe Mr. Hoare's death as "unexplained" but not suspicious. As we know from the JFK witnesses and researchers who suffered early deaths, that it is not too difficult to arrange "natural deaths". This is especially true when it is not in the interests of the police to say someone has not been murdered. As with the case with Dr. David Kelly, when they do make a bad job of it, the authorities will continue to cover-up the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Parker Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 (edited) So the article is fictitious? No. The article is "fair & balanced". In the usual News Corp fashion. If the "investigators" are as clever as Greg, they'll certainly get to the bottom of things in short order. Whatever Mike. Anyone who reads News Corp coverage and compares it to other media outlets will immediately recognize where the Murdoch press is putting the emphasis. In short, it isn't necessarily a case of making it up, nor is making it up necessarily needed. It is the parts of the story that are omitted or watered down and the parts of the story that are stressed so hard they may as well be in bold-face and underlined that are the Murdoch Press signatures. Edited July 19, 2011 by Greg Parker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hogan Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 (edited) So the article is fictitious? No. The article is "fair & balanced". In the usual News Corp fashion. If the "investigators" are as clever as Greg, they'll certainly get to the bottom of things in short order. Whatever Mike. Anyone who reads News Corp coverage and compares it to other media outlets will immediately recognize where the Murdoch press is putting the emphasis. In short, it isn't necessarily a case of making it up, nor is making it up necessarily needed. It is the parts of the story that are omitted or watered down and the parts of the story that are stressed so hard they may as well be in bold-face and underlined that are the Murdoch Press signatures. Whatever Greg. The source of Hoare's health and cocaine abuse for Ralph's article in The Australian was Nick Davies of The Guardian: He made no secret of his massive ingestion of drugs. He told me how he used to start the day with "a rock star's breakfast" – a line of cocaine and a Jack Daniels – usually in the company of a journalist who now occupies a senior position at the Sun. He reckoned he was using three grammes of cocaine a day, spending about £1,000 a week. Plus endless alcohol. Looking back, he could see it had done him enormous damage. But at the time, as he recalled, most of his colleagues were doing it, too.... .....In the end, his body would not take it any more. He said he started to have fits, that his liver was in such a terrible state that a doctor told him he must be dead. And, as his health collapsed, he was sacked by the News of the World – by his old friend Coulson..... .....His health never recovered. He liked to say that he had stopped drinking, but he would treat himself to some red wine. He liked to say he didn't smoke any more, but he would stop for a cigarette on his way home. For better and worse, he was a Fleet Street man. http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/18/sean-hoare-news-of-the-world _______________________________________________________________________ Hoare's health is certainly an important aspect of any speculation about his death and deserves to be covered. And to make the determination that parts of the story (his health and cocaine use) were "stressed so hard" is just your opinion, certainly not a fact. Whether or not a news organization's coverage is "fair and balanced" cannot be judged by one reporter's article. Would you also make similar accusations of The Guardian simply because they ran Davies' story? Edited July 19, 2011 by Michael Hogan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathaniel Heidenheimer Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 The NYT gave the death three lines in this morning's paper. Wait. This is the leading whistle blower in a scandal about the biggest unexamined topic in world politics for the last forty years. The guy dies one day before testifying before Parliament, and THE ONLY INGREDIENTS WE ARE OFFERED IN THE STORY are drugs? Reason demands we question that cocktail! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawn Meredith Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 Here is BreakForNews' take on "MurdochGate": http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6499 Also, there is some possible evidence that NotW was involved (to some extent) in the 9/11 conspiracy/coverup: http://www.mirror.co.uk/2011/07/11/phone-hacking-9-11-victims-may-have-had-mobiles-tapped-by-news-of-the-world-reporters-115875-23262694/ P.S - Regarding Simkin's first post, I too am shocked that JFK Jr. has gotten so little "play" regarding his death. It would have been great if professional researches would have dug into that more as it stinks terribly....I was shocked he doesn't have a topic or thread here as I find his death quite significant given the circumstances at that time and before. I continue to be shocked by this as well. I don't think there is even a book on the subject. But there is ton of stuff online. All pointing to murder. And the hacking whistle blower is most likely murder as well. Dawn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hogan Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 The NYT gave the death three lines in this morning's paper. Wait. This is the leading whistle blower in a scandal about the biggest unexamined topic in world politics for the last forty years. The guy dies one day before testifying before Parliament, and THE ONLY INGREDIENTS WE ARE OFFERED IN THE STORY are drugs? Reason demands we question that cocktail! Nothing wrong with questioning things. But to speculate before more is known has its own attendant risks. What can be proven about Hoare's death at this point in time? All I maintained is: "And as with the JFK assassination, it's going to prove difficult to sort fact from fiction." I think that's going to be the case years from now. And Nathaniel, I'm just as sceptical of the media as you are. Well, almost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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