US forced to release 4 more Classified Volumes of Bay Of Pigs

[Jim Phelps]

Sounds like another JFK repugnant secrecy file has been exposed and de-classified for all to check and see if we knew what really happened.

Good Job "National Security Archive" for breaking those loose.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/9777075

US releases more classified Bay of Pigs documents

Share reddit this AP foreign, Tuesday August 2 2011 LAURA WIDES-MUNOZ

AP Hispanic Affairs Writer= MIAMI (AP) — The U.S. has released more classified documents about the 1961 Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba, showing the close involvement of the Guatemalan government.

The release Monday came in response to a lawsuit filed in April by the independent, Washington-based National Security Archive to declassify all five volumes on the failed CIA-backed invasion by Cuban exiles who hoped to overthrow Fidel Castro. One volume has yet to be released.

The new release details the close relationship between the U.S. and Guatemala, where the exiles trained for the assault.

They show how then-Guatemalan President Miguel Ydigoras Fuentes wanted his own troops to participate in the invasion. When Ydigoras' unpopular, military-backed government faced a series of attacks from Guatemalan rebels, its officials asked the U.S. for napalm bombs. The request was denied.

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[Jim Phelps]

From Google, Looking like the newly FOIA'd CIA records release is on-line and lots more in their CIA web page---http://www.foia.cia.gov/:

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http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/08/03/2342993/cia-releases-more-bay-of-pigs.html

CIA releases more Bay of Pigs invasion secret papers

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View the Bay of Pigs documents at the CIA's official website: http://www.foia.cia.gov/

By Luisa Yanez

Miami Herald

On the 50th anniversary of the infamous Bay of Pigs invasion, the Central Intelligence Agency has released more of it long-held secret papers on its failed 1961 Cuba operation to overthrow Fidel Castro.

The secret documents were released in Washington, D.C., pursuant to a Freedom of Information Act filed by Peter Kornbluh, an activist who has long sough to unmask U.S. secret operations in Latin America.

In past years, Kornbluh has won the release of other Bay of Pigs records. He announced the release of the latest batch on Monday.

Kornbluh said the CIA posted the four volumes of documents of its “Official History of the Bay of Pigs,” when 1,500 Cuban exiles invaded their homeland from Guatemala and Nicaragua between April 17-19, 1961. Many were captured and sent to prison in Cuba and 104 died in the effort. Hundreds of Bay of Pigs veterans live in South Florida.

The newly-released archives include Volume 2: "Participation in the Conduct of Foreign Policy," which contains detailed information on the CIA's negotiations with Guatemala, Nicaragua, Panama and Great Britain on support for the invasion.

“The CIA has finally seen the wisdom of letting the public scrutinize this major debacle in the covert history of U.S. foreign policy," said Kornbluh, who directs the Cuba Documentation Project, in a news release.

Kornbluh said the agency has yet to release Volume 5 of its official history.

“That volume is the CIA’s rebuttal to the stinging CIA's Inspector General's report, done in the immediate aftermath of the invasion, which held CIA officials accountable for a wide variety of mistakes, miscalculations and deceptions that characterized the failed invasion,” Kornbluh said in his release.

The National Security Archive obtained the declassification of the secret Inspector General's report in 1998.

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Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/08/03/2342993/cia-releases-more-bay-of-pigs.html#ixzz1U4WA2KeG

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http://www.foia.cia.gov/

Bay of Pigs Release

The CIA history of the Bay of Pigs operation in 1961, originally classified top secret, based on dozens of interviews with key operatives and officials and hundreds of CIA documents. The four volumes include information never before released and comprise (I) Air Operations, March 1960-1961; (II) Participation in the Conduct of Foreign Policy; (III) Evolution of CIA’s Anti-Castro Policies, 1959-January 1961; and (IV) The Taylor Committee Investigation of the Bay of Pigs.

Volume I - Air Operations, March 1960-April 1961

Part 1 http://www.foia.cia.gov/bay-of-pigs/bop-vol1-part1.pdf

Part 2 http://www.foia.cia.gov/bay-of-pigs/bop-vol1-part2.pdf

Part 3 http://www.foia.cia.gov/bay-of-pigs/bop-vol1-part3.pdf

Volume II - Participation in the Conduct of Foreign Policy 92

Part 1 http://www.foia.cia.gov/bay-of-pigs/bop-vol2-part1.pdf

Part 2 http://www.foia.cia.gov/bay-of-pigs/bop-vol2-part2.pdf

Volume III - Evolution of CIA's Anti-Castro Policies, 1951-January 1961 http://www.foia.cia.gov/bay-of-pigs/bop-vol3.pdf

Volume IV - The Taylor Committee Investigation of the Bay of Pigs

http://www.foia.cia.gov/bay-of-pigs/bop-vol4.pdf

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Edited August 4, 2011 by Jim Phelps

[Michael Hogan]

Looking like the newly FOIA'd CIA records release is on-line and lots more in their CIA web page---http://www.foia.cia.gov/:

Here's a link that works:

From the Central Intelligence Agency website:

What's New at FOIA?

Site last updated: July 28, 2011

Bay of Pigs Release

This CIA history of the Bay of Pigs operation in 1961, originally classified as top secret, is based on dozens of interviews with key operatives and officials and hundreds of CIA documents. The four volumes

include information never before released and comprise Air Operations, March 1960 - April 1961; (II) Participation in the Conduct of Foreign Policy; (III) Evolution of CIA’s Anti-Castro Policies, 1951 - January 1961;

and (IV) The Taylor Committee Investigation of the Bay of Pigs.

Volume I - Air Operations, March 1960 - April 1961; Part 1, Part 2, Part 3

Volume II - Participation in the Conduct of Foreign Policy 92; Part 1, Part 2

Volume III - Evolution of CIA's Anti-Castro Policies, 1951 - January 1961

Volume IV - The Taylor Committee Investigation of the Bay of Pigs

http://www.foia.cia.gov/

[Jim Phelps]

In reading about the controlling mess in Europe, ran into this history of how all the complicated mess with the Mafia and the war came into being, why Hoover was protecting the Mafia and Meyer Lansky, and lots lots more. The interesting reads are around 1/3 down the article collections page:

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http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/1982/eirv09n15-19820420/eirv09n15-19820420.pdf

"Who Inherited the Fascit's International Coup and Terror Network"--PERMINDEX, DeGaulle.

"Anglo-American Intelligence Project"---Operation Underworld

"Buckley-Dulles"---DeMohrenschldt--anti-Communist League

and lots more history linked to CIA

Edited August 4, 2011 by Jim Phelps

[Michael Hogan]

In reading about the controlling mess in Europe, ran into this history of how all the complicated mess with the Mafia and the war came into being, why Hoover was protecting the Mafia and Meyer Lansky, and lots lots more. The interesting reads are around 1/3 down the article collections page:

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http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/1982/eirv09n15-19820420/eirv09n15-19820420.pdf

Who Inherited the Fascit's International Coup and Terror Network.

Phelps starts a thread about the release of CIA Bay of Pigs documents, then when it was pointed out to him that such a thread already existed

and that his link did not work, follows it up with an irrelevant link to Lyndon LaRouche's Executive Intelligence Review. No further comment necessary.

[Jim Phelps]

Looking like the newly FOIA'd CIA records release is on-line and lots more in their CIA web page---http://www.foia.cia.gov/:

Here's a link that works:

From the Central Intelligence Agency website:

What's New at FOIA?

Site last updated: July 28, 2011

Bay of Pigs Release

This CIA history of the Bay of Pigs operation in 1961, originally classified as top secret, is based on dozens of interviews with key operatives and officials and hundreds of CIA documents. The four volumes

include information never before released and comprise Air Operations, March 1960 - April 1961; (II) Participation in the Conduct of Foreign Policy; (III) Evolution of CIA’s Anti-Castro Policies, 1951 - January 1961;

and (IV) The Taylor Committee Investigation of the Bay of Pigs.

Volume I - Air Operations, March 1960 - April 1961; Part 1, Part 2, Part 3

Volume II - Participation in the Conduct of Foreign Policy 92; Part 1, Part 2

Volume III - Evolution of CIA's Anti-Castro Policies, 1951 - January 1961

Volume IV - The Taylor Committee Investigation of the Bay of Pigs

http://www.foia.cia.gov/

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I block Mr. Hogan's messages and a few others that appear intent on disruption. He earned that with pages and pages of non-sense on other listings. So, I generally don't read his comments. Either someone has to comment or I have to hit a button to see one of his comments.

But, just to illustrate that he appears to tell stories to disrupt issues---compare the two CIA FOIA URL's. Perhaps Mr. Hogan wants to say that his CIA URL doesn't work--as they appear to be the same thing. In fact, the CIA links work just fine and were listing multiple times in the listing.

The links are listed in the News article itself and the News article's URL. You'd have to be literally blind to miss that. So, this is yet another example for disruptive behaviors and why I don't pay attention to Mr. Hogan's petty misdirection.

Guess he has gone back to telling made up non-sense again for attention. Get a life Mr. Hogan, go bug some other threads. Else you look mighty foolish in saying your link doesn't work.

It looks like you are even trying to screw up DiEugenio's discussions in other zones, with leading off on the wrong directions there and DiEugenio having to keep making corrections for your off base commentary and lacking associative logic per his subject material.

DiEugenio does good work and he knows the Montreal issues, too. I read his commentary and he is always polite, to a fault. Mr. Hogan should pay attention to his example, but I doubt Mr. Hogan's wants to be constructive.

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Edited August 5, 2011 by Jim Phelps

[Jim Phelps]

In reading about the controlling mess in Europe, ran into this history of how all the complicated mess with the Mafia and the war came into being, why Hoover was protecting the Mafia and Meyer Lansky, and lots lots more. The interesting reads are around 1/3 down the article collections page:

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http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/1982/eirv09n15-19820420/eirv09n15-19820420.pdf

Who Inherited the Fascit's International Coup and Terror Network.

Phelps starts a thread about the release of CIA Bay of Pigs documents, then when it was pointed out to him that such a thread already existed

and that his link did not work, follows it up with an irrelevant link to Lyndon LaRouche's Executive Intelligence Review. No further comment necessary.

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I do think some folks like to read about these Allan Dulles connections, the Mafia and CIA connections, and some of these other subjects from other's perspectives.

In that URL there is Even ole George DeM... and the anti-communists are in the fray and that hooks up with LHO and the Cuban history issues.

If you don't like to read various sources -- then don't. It is pretty apparent that you seem to read only the top line of a listing and then take off on some commentary that doesn't fit.

But the rest of us do like to check varied sources, who are not disgruntled, and we can even read URL's and not spout off petty quip non-sense for attention. Nobody is buying your latest baiting and disruption exercise.

Some of that history, from varied authors on that URL, tells the sordid history of how the CIA and US got into the business of doing what was going on in Europe long before Castro.

There are some good insights by several authors in that URL's content. Like how did Dulles get into these connections with Swiss and PERMINDEX.

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[Michael Hogan]

The Bay of Pigs is a key event in understanding what happened to President Kennedy. No serious person can disagree with that.

In fact, it may be the most important event of all.

Its good that Archive has decided to incorporate the Taylor Report into the CIA report on the operation. This probably constitutes the best single source of the official documentation we have so far. The previous best was Kornbluh's Bay of Pigs Declassified.

The CIA did not want to give this stuff up for the simple reason that the more you look at this thing the more you wonder how they could have ever expected it to succeed. And the more you see that even if the d day air strikes went forward, it still would have failed. In fact in the CIA IG report, Lyman Kirkpatrick actually asks that question. Would the operation have succeeded with those strikes? He answers no since the invasion force was outnumbered about 125 to 1. Plus, Castro was able to get his tanks and armor to the beachhead.

In fact, the more you read about this, the more questionable it becomes that the D Day air strikes were actually a part of the planned operation. In Kirkpatrick's report he seems to say that they were a contingency, contingent upon the establishment of a beachhead.

The whole Keystone Kops nature of the thing comes through here. And it reinforces the idea that Dulles knew it would never succeed. In fact, as JIm Douglass notes, Dulles later admitted this in his own coffee stained notes.

What is important is that Kennedy seemed to understand this also. Which is why he decapitated the top level of CIA. Something that no president has ever done before or since. In a little noted aside, the guy he called in to finalize that fateful decision was Robert Lovett. Lovet had been a stern critic of Dulles and the CIA for years. And he and David Bruce had both tried to get Dulles fired ears before when they were on the FIAB. Kennedy knew about this since his father had also been on that board and agreed with Lovett and Bruce. In fact, they wrote a corruscating report on what Dulles had done to the CIA and how this had hurt America in the Third World. Bobby Kennedy read the report when he was on the Taylor Commission. And he agreed Dulles had to go.

What happened is that the Bay of Pigs and its aftermath permanently drove a wedge into the Dulles Cowboys side of the CIA and the White House. And when MONGOOSE was reduced to essentially a symbol, since JFK was getting close to an agreement with Castro, the Cuban exiles were now whipped up by people like Phillips and Hunt. I beleive that this was what was used to get some of them to go along with the plot: Sergio Arcacha Smith, Bernardo DeTorres, the two men with Leon Oswald at Sylvia Odio's, the guy in the Rambler who picked up the Oswald double outside the TSBD etc.

They did this because they felt this would produce an invasion of CUba. Which is probably what Phillips and Hunt promised them. This is the exact opposite of what the Waldron/Hartmann thesis is of course. The difference is that there is plenty of evidence for this. There is virtually none for Ultimate Sacrifice. In fact as we learn more and more about the Cuban operations in the second half of 1963, we understand that they amounted to virtually nothing. Both the WH sanctioned ones and the Manuel Artime operation.

So the Bay of Pigs is really important n this regard. Recall, DeTorres was part of the Bay of Pigs. Smith actually had films of the operation! Which he and Ferrie used to watch. The two guys at Sylvia's said Leon felt the Cubans should have killed Kennedy afterwards. THe idea was always to blame Kennedy for the failure when in fact, the CIA knew it would not succeed without Pentagon support. Which Kennedy, under great pressure, refused to give.

And it was one of the things that eventually got him killed.

Jim, could you please post this on the Bay of Pigs thread where your other posts are? http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=3087&view=findpost&p=232007

[Jim Phelps]

Mr. DiEugenio, Great Insights!

I can certainly agree that the "Bay of Pigs" was when JFK showed some real initiative and resisted being made the fall guy for starting a war of aggression with Cuba. He'd be in volation of International Laws. If JFK took their bait, he'd like get a war crime charge, as you just can't attack a country out of the blue.

Which is why the Deceit and Treachery based JCS and Lemnitzer came up with the faked up plan called Operation Norwood, so that JFK might have an excuse to attack Cuba because they attacked the US. If the world buys the deception, then the War Crime is masked.

Ike was rather weak and played into the Mil / Ind Network's big plans to make a war, any war on Communism. They were ramping up for war with Russia, and Cuba was a pathway.

JFK outfoxed them and played things down, and when he was killed their worst nightmare was happening. JFK was getting Peace with Castro, and Peace and cooperation with Russia.

It didn't help things that JFK also spotted the games of the Fed. Res. Networking and liking to make these wars. JFK was going to cut the Fed. Res. throat with his new "US Notes". It was a good plan that the US still needs to force into place and with more than just Ron Paul calling for it to happen.

JFK was also going to yank the last connection for the Indo-China drug games and dump the Vietnam War, so the Crooked Dealers of the Shadown Government were loosing all their "Double Dealing" games like dominos falling in succession.

JFK was also going to put Hoover out and his cover up buddy LBJ too.

JFK isolated all the big Crooks corruption games played by the Office of the President and was turning the corner toward what he promissed on Peace, real Freedom for the People, removing the exploitation of Americans, and a "Rising Tide Lifting All Boats".

Edited August 5, 2011 by Jim Phelps