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happen to hear part of a live show on NPR this morning.

They had former Pres Bill Clinton on He was asked two questions one on Roswell and the aliens and the other on JFK assassination.

Clinton VERY quickly replied that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, and The Warren Commission was correct.

That drew great laughter from the audience.

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The laughter must have been very welcome, me thinks ole Bill used up his 5 minutes of fame re JFK...by getting the photo out, pretending it to be an edorsement of sorts, re jfk, and the presidency, then he went back to being ole Bill....he can't help it, in otherwards..he fibbed but he is not the only by far who did.......b:o

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Clinton VERY quickly replied that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, and The Warren Commission was correct.

He also "didn't inhale," and "did not have sex with that woman."

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See also earlier discussion on Clintons & JFK assassination http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=12612

Anyone have any info/source on the story that after Bill became President he asked for the true info on the JFK assassination and was told he lacked adequate clearance?

Example http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in-honolulu/did-allen-dulles-draft-kennedy-assassination-directive-a-covert-mj-12-coup Urban legend?

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This is by no means intended to be a defense of Clinton, but is intended to illustrate the point of "party first", and beyond all reason. I suspect, though, that Truman, Warren, Childs, and Clinton knew that there is one party, with two right wings. It is the establishment (property) party. Once annointed, one does not ever bite it's hand...

The Warren Court And Its Critics

Pay-Per-View - The Sun - Sep 20, 1964

Warren's views once prompted dent Harry S. Truman to say, "He's a Democrat and doesn't know it." That some men would disagree ently with the court's

The quotes were actually of statements Clinton made in May, 2011, re-broadcast today.


August 27, 2011

We weren't able to play the whole interview when President Clinton joined us earlier this year to play Not My Job, so here's the director's cut....

President CLINTON: I mean, I think that the main thing is you got to try to get everybody together and they have to see the same numbers you do.

SAGAL: Well, we have a game to play with you but I've got one more question for you, because I haven't talked to a president before. So what happened at Roswell and who killed JFK?

(Soundbite of laughter)

President CLINTON: Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe the Warren Commission report was correct.

(Soundbite of laughter)

SAGAL: That's disappointing.

(Soundbite of laughter) ....

BTW, from a "liberal" journalist of another era.: (Do not overlook all of the implications, a coup took place, the changes were embraced by all facets of the establishment.)


Warren Report Is Convincing Evidence .

St. Petersburg Times - Sep 28, 1964

MARQUIS CHILDS . WASHINGTON — The Warren report on President Kennedy's assassination Is a monument to patient sifting and anal ysis of fact, rumor, ...


Reading Eagle - Mar 14, 1967



Embattled Dreams: California in War and Peace, 1940-1950 - Page 262

books.google.com Kevin Starr - 2003 - 416 pages - Preview

Colunmist Marquis Childs, however, described Warren as "a New Deal wolf in Republican sheep's clothing."

You do not ever have to be accurate about anything to keep your standing in the Establishment Party, but telling the truth can be a swift and sure way to be ejected from it.




New York Times - May 18, 1913

Seward says it is as much as he can do to escape being tried with Surratt for conniving at the attemot upon his own life."

But Seward himself believed that Judah P. Benjamin and James M. Mason were privy to Booth's plot, though he "was unable to suppose that Jeffferson Davis could have been." His reason, he told Bigelow, was that the assassins had gold, and "they could only have got that from their government, as there was no gold then in circulation in the United States, and no one did anything for government without being paid.".....


Custer and the Front Royal executions of 1864 - Page 123

books.google.comJay W. Simson - 2009 - 204 pages - Google eBook - Preview

There has been speculation that certain attempts to kill or capture Lincoln (including John Wilkes Booth's successful assassination attempt) were inspired by what the Dahlgren Papers revealed. .....


Confederate Complicity

In the Assassination of Abraham Lincoln - Part 1

By John C. Fazio

The Cleveland Civil War Roundtable

Copyright © 2008

....The head of the group, of course, was Booth (Powell called him “Captain”), though it is known that John Surratt had direct contact with Benjamin and perhaps Davis, in Richmond. Booth appears to have been a middle-level operative as well as a triggerman.

Were there others? Without question. Powell said to Assistant Secretary of War, Major Thomas T. Eckert, who questioned him, “All I can say about this is that you (United States prosecutors) have not got the one-half of them.” That fact alone, i.e. that the conspiracy involved a substantial number of people, is probative of complicity of the Confederate government. A rogue operation by an individual or a small number of individuals, though unlikely, at least has some plausibility, but the greater the number of participants, the less likely it is that they can be operating without the supervision of, and control by, the highest political authority in the Confederacy.

Indeed, after the turn of the century, more than 35 years after the fact, Richard M. Smoot, a Confederate officer, admitted his involvement in the plot to ....

...The Richmond Sentinel took direct aim at Lincoln. It 5 March (1864) editorial on the Dahlgren papers read in part: "Let Lincoln and Kilpatrick remember that they have bidden their subordinates give no quarter to the Confederate chiefs. Perhaps even a Scotch cap and a military cloak will not prevent a just and stern vengeance from overtaking them." The reference to the Scotch cap and the military cloak was a scarcely concealed threat of retaliation by assassination....

...The confederate editorail opinions about the Dahlgren papers cannot be dismissed as mere bombast. The Confederate leaders knew that these papers had been found on Dahlgren's body and they had them in hand. More, their excellent intelligence apparatus in Washington would have been dense in the extreme if it had not picked up various stories floating around that both Lincoln and Stanton were involved in planning the raid. As many researchers have learned, newspaper editorials are often the first draft of history....


From the 7/24/00 issue of USN&WR

Purloined poison letters

Fake or real, they raised hell



American Brutus: John Wilkes Booth and the Lincoln Conspiracies - Page 211

books.google.comMichael W. Kauffman - 2005 - 544 pages - Google eBook - Preview

...But when Smoot told her the nature of his business, Mrs. Surratt 's demeanor changed. “Her face brightened up, and she extended me a most cordial greeting, and eagerly inquired if the boat was in its place and readily accessible, ..

The unwritten history of the assassination of ... - Internet Archive

http://www.archive.org/details/unwrittenhistory00smoo The Lincoln Financial Collection

Ebook and Texts Archive > The Lincoln Financial Collection > The unwritten history of the assassination of ... Author: Smoot, Richard Mitchell, 1833-1906 .

Originally published, Baltimore, J. Murphy Company, 1904. All of this edition except five copies, which had been distributed, was destroyed in the Baltimore fire of February 7, 1904.--Foreward, signed: Orra L. Stone....


HOW THE PLOT AGAINST LINCOLN WAS FORMED; John H. Surratt, One of the Confederates of John Wilkes Booth, Describes the Conspiracy Which Ended in Lincoln's Assassination.


February 07, 1909, ....


The Lincoln assassination: the evidence - Google Books Result

books.google.com/books?isbn=025203368X...William C. Edwards, Edward Steers - 2009 - Biography & Autobiography - 1454 pages Page xxiii Introduction

....It was Burnett's job to separate the useful from the worthless and to assist Holt in building the government's case. Burnett accomplished this daunting task quite well considering the short time frame and the volume of evidence collected. At the same time, bits and pieces of evidence were interspersed among the reams of paper that with more time and greater diligence would have identified others who played a role in Booth's plot. Several of these people--Thomas Jones, Samuel Cox, and Thomas Harbin, for example--slipped through the government's net and lived out their lives unmolested. Evidence existed that would have made the government's case againt Mary Surratt and Samuel Mudd even stronger than it was, leaving little doubt in most people's minds of their collaboration with Booth 43. When Lewis Powell made the statement, "You have not got the one-half of them," 44 he was most likely referring to people such as Harbin, Cox, and Jones, three men who would have been convicted and who might well have hanged had the government pursued the evidence against them sitting in government files.

While the evidentiary documents in Microscopy 599 provided the prosecution with its case against the the accused conspirators, the files were unavailable to the general public. For more than seventy years the War Department treated the files as secret, restricting access to them. It was not unitl the mid-1930's that the files were opened to researchers. The earliest writers had to rely on the trial transcripts, first-person reminiscences, and nespaper accounts as their primary sources of information, thereby missing out on important details. Three of the early writers who were personally in the aftermath of Lincoln's murfer--Thomas Harris (a trial commissioner), Thomas Jones (coconspirator who hid Booth), and William E. Doster (defense attorney)--told their stories without benefit of the information contained in the documents in the War Department archives. 45 Other early writers found themselves equally disadvantaged. David Miller Dewitt (1895, 1909) Osborn H. Oldroyd (1901), Finis Bates (1907), Clara Laughlin, (1909), Burke McCarty (1922), and Francis Wilson (1929), all wrote their histories without the benefit of the evidence file. 46

Otto Eisenschiml, a chemist turned historian, was the first writer to have access to the files as part of his study. Unfortunately, it seems that he did not examine the file carefully. In 1937 he published his seriously flawed book titled Why Was Lincoln Murdered? 47 He manipulated the data to lead his readers to the erroneous conclusion that the Secretary of War Edwin McMasters Stanton was behind Lincoln's assassination.

Eisenschiml followed his 1937 study with a second book in 1940, In the Shadow of Lincoln's Death, 48 still maintaining that a Northern conspiracy was behind Lincoln's murder. In that same year, George S. Bryan published The Great American Myth 49 challenging Eisenschiml's ridiculous theory and the earlier claim by Finis Bates that Booth escaped from the Garrett barn to eventually die by suicide in 1903. Bryan, unlike the authors before him, had access to the document in the War Department but barely tapped the file to make his case, relying instead on secondary sources for his information. Nevertheless, Bryan's book became the standard for the next forty years.

The years that followed the publication of Bryan's book were not much better when it came to delving into the collection of material amassed by Burnett and his staff. In 1943 the documents were turned over to the National Archives Records Administration (NARA) as part of a major transfer of more than forty-five hundred cubic feet of records from the Office of the Judge Advocate General (Army), where they became part of the Records of the Office of the Judge Advocated General (Record Group 153) and still reside today. 50 In 1940 certain exhibits used in the trial of the conspirators were turned over to the National Park Service, where they were placed on display in the Lincoln Museum in Ford's Theatre. In 1965, NARA photographically copied the files, along with the proceedings of the trial, onto microfilm, greatly facilitating the public's access to the records.

In 1982 Thomas R. Turner was responsible for the first book on Lincoln's assassination published by a professional historian. 51 Turner's book focused on the public reaction to Lincoln's assassination and its aftermath. A year later historian William Hanchett published the second book by a professional historian, demolishing the earlier false conspiracy theories by Eisenschiml and others who distorted and even manufactured evidence in support of their spurious claims. 52

Both Turner and Hanchett relied heavily on primary sources.

In 1988 three historians--William A. Tidwell, James O. Hall, and David W. Gaddy--published their revisionist account of the assassination. Titled Come Retribution, the book draws on the evidence file now reproduced on reels 1 through 7 in M599 and sets the authors apart from previous writers. 53 They concluded that the Confederate leadership, including Jefferson Davis, was behind Lincoln's assassination. Unlike previous conspiracy theories that were based on flawed and even fraudulant evidence, the authors of Come Retribution supported their claim with evidence drawn not only from the files of M599 but also from other documents. While their conclusions failed to convince the majority of historians, their research has remained unchallenged. Come Retribution reinvigorated the debate over Lincoln's assassination.

M599 does not include all of the mateiral originally collected by the War Department. Some of the documents were late used by the House of Representatives committee estalished to adjudicate reward claims made by those who participate in the capture of the conspirators (and some who did not participate), while others were used in the impeachment hearing of Andrew Johnson. An unknown number of these documents never found their way back to the original file. We cannot be sure of what was borrowed and what was never returned. Nonetheless, the greater number of documents originally collected remained in the possession of the War Department until its archive was turned over to the NARA....

If you've read this far, I am sorry to bore you. Consider that Marquis Childs exhibited a certainty in his statements published in his March 14, 1967 column that is simply not borne out by the facts available, then, or now. I may have carried the exercise of supporting this accusation a bit too far, but I had to satisfy my own curiousity, fresh from reading Marquis Childs' column, and from viewing Robert Redford's recent film on the trial of Mary Surratt. By the way, did you know that Dr. Mudd introduced John Surratt to Booth?

Marquis Childs' son was a gate keeper of CBS News' "Meet the Press".


H. Prentiss Childs Died unexpectedly on Saturday, May 7, 2011

...Mr. Childs grew up in the Washington D.C. area. He served in the U.S. Navy and graduated from Yale University in 1949 before moving to New York City, where he met and married Nancy Craze. Mr. Childs began working as a producer for the CBS Television Network in 1956, after briefly pursuing a career in theater. Following his CBS Foundation Fellowship with the Columbia University Graduate School, the Childs moved to Washington D.C. in 1963, where Mr. Childs joined the CBS News Washington Bureau, co-producing Face the Nation until 1974. He then became public affairs coordinator for PBS....

We few, think the way we do in spite of all efforts to the contrary. Your standing and advancement is dependent upon being a trusted tool who can always be counted on to stick to the script, instead of speaking the truth.

In a Washington Post Op-Ed on 25 August, Drake himself explains:


By Thomas Drake

...Rather than address its own corruption, ineptitude and illegal actions, the government made me a target of a multi-year, multimillion-dollar federal criminal "leak" investigation as part of a vicious campaign against whistleblowers that started under President George W. Bush and is coming to full fruition under President Obama.

To the government, I was a traitor and enemy of the state. As an American, however, I could not stand by and become an accessory to the willful subversion of our Constitution and our freedoms.

"Far more often than anything else, that is the real purpose of government secrecy: to shield ineptitude, corruption, abuse of power and illegality from seeing the light of day, and -- as illustrated by the CIA's efforts to destroy Soufan's critical book while guaranteeing the predominance of Rodriguez's propaganda tract -- to ensure that the government controls what the public hears and what it does not hear."

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Anyone have any info/source on the story that after Bill became President he asked for the true info on the JFK assassination and was told he lacked adequate clearance?

Clinton appointed Web Hubbell to a position in the Justice Department, and told Hubbell he wanted him to find out two things: the truth about UFOs, and who killed JFK. Hubbell was unable to get any satisfactory answers. This is in a book Hubbell wrote.

I thought that MJ-12 was shown to be a hoax several years ago.

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Clinton and Kennedy

I have found the source. It's on afterdisclosure:

"Even President Bill Clinton didn't believe that. Shortly after he became President, he asked his Assistant Attorney General, Webster Hubbell, to investigate two things. "One, who killed JFK? And two, are there UFOs?"

Clinton may not have realized how closely the two questions may have been connected. Consider the likelihood that there is indeed a UFO reality and -- of necessity -- a UFO cover-up. Could Kennedy's assassination have been related to the latter? The world of conventional wisdom would never pause to consider this, but -- really -- why is this so difficult to imagine?

The Kennedy assassination is something like Agatha Christie's Murder on the Orient Express. Everyone had a motive: the Mafia, the CIA, the Cubans, the Pentagon, the Soviets, and the Federal Reserve, for starters. Could that list also include Majestic Twelve, the name often ascribed to the powerful insiders who control the UFO secret?

My answer to that question is, why not?"

Kathy C

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There are people in this world, like NASA and Military who do not want it out that there are UFO spaceships flying around. Especially back then. I think people who had this knowledge were killed or scared into silence. Possibly Marilyn Monroe knew about these things. Bobby Kennedy was there that afternoon. When he left I think CIA thugs killed her so Kennedy would be involved. The neighbors saw him that day. In my humble opinion, I don't believe Bobby killed Marilyn or had her killed. It was enemies of the Kennedys, who rushed in and killed her. The Kennedys themselves died young and violently.

Kathy C

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Clinton was told he didn't have high enough clearance. He went into the Presidency thinking he was going to rule the country but he found out differently. As did Obama. Oprah Winfrey got him elected. He came out and said bin Laden was killed by our Navy Seals. In fact, bin Laden croaked in 2001. I am going to stick my neck out. Many people have come to believe that Israel was behind 9/11 and had inside help.

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It isn't too much of a leap.

Nagy took the PERMINDEX (Trade Mart) games to Rockefeller and that WTC idea in New York. Nagy's Rome crooked buddies were Tibor Rosenbaum and his associations with Mossad tactics. Not to mention Rockefeller is Rothschilds right hand man.

Who were they allied with and what Real Estate Asbestos Lemon was the WTC's, Larry Silverstein. Larry Silverstein and young Nathan Rothschild are huge buddies in NYC.

They remediated their asbestos albatross all over New York and made the PNAC Neo-Cons happy to declair war on Islam.

Toss in all these Israeli Art students all over the place, and everywhere these Arabs went the Israelis lived right next door almost.

Plus, all the Jewish folks in the WTC seemed to have been told to stay home that day.

All those Arabs and Israelis deported magically.


MJ-12 was never official. Perhaps unofficial meddling, like the JBS on Foreign Policy. But there was a huge effort to conceal the real deal at White Sands / Roswell and it still is a big deal. There were some aliens, just not the kinds from outer space. Got some Germans and some human experiment little guys with genetic defects---those kinds of aliens. Texas hill Country is the home to lots of Germans that immigrated there long ago, so new NAZI Germans were not too big a deal for Texas.

Was that a factor in the JFK hit----very likely, as JFK wanted to know and he may well have used it to finish off LBJ and it might have had a huge impact on NASA.

Lots of dirty deals went down in 1946-47.

You'd be close with this:


and reading on Nitinol:


Titanium is pretty magical stuff in the nuke business, too. It makes Depleted Uranium penetrators work and on atomic bomb material rigidity areas.

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Guest Robert Morrow

and boy did the bloodworth thomsons use that photo to the utmost effect at the convention.

remember "the man from hope"?

Remember what Bill Clinton just said in the year 2011 the next time you think about defending that slime. Clinton knows full well the JFK assassination was a coup d'etat. In fact, according to Webb Hubbell (in his book Friends in High Places), the first 2 things that Bill Clinton wanted Hubbell to check on at Justice were 1) Who REALLY killed JFK and 2) what about the aliens at Roswell.

(By the way, in my expert opinion, Webb Hubbell is the biological father of Chelsea Clinton and NOT Bill Clinton. Just look at the lips, even post plastic surgery for Chelsea.)

And look who Bill Clinton is close friends with: George Herbert Walker Bush, who a strong minority of the JFK assassination community thinks was involved in the coup d'etat as high ranking Texas CIA in 1963. GHW Bush has certainly been involved in the cover up of the JFK assasssination.

According to Cord Meyer, as told to Jack Wheeler, Bill Clinton was recruited into the CIA in fall 1968 while at Oxford. Then Clinton informed on his anti-war protester buddies to the government while playing both sides of the fence. The CIA financed Clinton's travels into Eastern Europe.

So we have this corrupt man Bill Clinton perfectly willing to cover for the murderers of his boyhood idol, John Kennedy.

For the newbies, if you want to learn about the Bush/Clinton CIA connection, please google "Chip Tatum Pegasus." Another good book is Compromised by Terry Reed which describes the Bush/Clinton/CIA drug smuggling of the 1980's.

I do think that George Herbert Walker Bush (Clinton's good buddy) was involved in the JFK assassination: http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/bush.htm

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There is one more thing I forgot to mention about Bill Clinton: membership in the COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS!

How many times do I have to drill this point home? The CFR is the very pit of hell when it comes to truth in the JFK assassination. The real question to ask is WHO is Bill Clinton trying to impress by spouting the lone nutter theory, which I seriously doubt he believes in.

I would say folks like George Herbert Walker Bush, Henry Kissinger, David Rockefeller. You folks tell me, WHO ELSE is Bill Clinton trying to curry favor with by spouting such nonsense?

A special word about the Council on Relations role in the 1963 Coup dEtat and cover up: no other organization has been more responsible for the murder and cover up of John Kennedy than the CFR. Elite CFR members such as Allen Dulles, Nelson Rockefeller, George Herbert Walker Bush and McGeorge Bundy were probably sponsors of the JFK assassination. Certainly leadership CFR members such as Allen Dulles, John J. McCloy, and Gerald Ford played the most critical roles in the Warren Commission farce. Add in cover up roles played by McGeorge Bundy (CFR/CIA), Nelson Rockefeller (CFR/CIA), Henry Kissinger (CFR/CIA), Richard Helms (CFR/CIA), William Colby (CFR/CIA), Nicholas Katzenbach (CFR), Jack Valenti (CFR), Bill Moyers (CFR), Henry Luce (CFR), Clair Boothe Luce (CFR), William Coleman (CFR) James Reston NY Times (CFR), Anthony Lewis NY Times (CFR), William F. Buckley (CFR/CIA), Walter Cronkite CBS (CFR), Dan Rather CBS (CFR), Bob Schieffer CBS (CFR), Peter Jennings ABC (CFR), Daniel Schorr (CFR), Arthur Ochs Sulzberger NY Times (CFR), Harrison Salisbury NY Times (CFR), Kenneth Gilmore Readers Digest (CFR), Tom Braden (CFR/CIA), Stephen Rosenfeld Washington Post (CFR), Bobbie Ray Inman (CFR/CIA), Arnold de Borchgrave (CFR), Donald Rumsfeld (CFR), Rupert Murdoch FOX (CFR), John McCain (CFR), Robert Gates CIA (CFR)… the list is almost endless. Note two things: 1) they are the key establishment players of BOTH major political parties spanning decades 2) their power and influence is directly proportional to the fantastic whoppers they tell about in the 1963 Coup dEtat. For the older CFR members it is a case of PARTICIPATION and COVER UP in the JFK assassination. For the younger ones such as Douglas G. Brinkley (CFR), George Will (CFR/ABC), Charles Krauthammer (CFR/FOX), Bill Kristol (CFR/FOX), David Gergen (CFR), John Segenthaler (CFR), Frank Sesno (CFR), Evan Thomas (CFR), Michael Beschloss (CFR), Stephen M. Walt (CFR), George Stephanopolous (CFR/ABC), Jonathan Alter (CFR), Evan Thomas (CFR), Brian Williams (CFR/NBC), Daniel Pipes (CFR), Michael Gerson (CFR) it is a case of WILLFUL IGNORANCE as they still push the Big Lie. Note: Chris Matthews of Hardball, another willfully ignorant man, is close friends with Richard Haass, current president of CFR. I have never seen highly acclaimed political guru Michael Barone, a Bilderberger attendee, ever say anything credible on the JFK assassination.

Question: do we really expect the CFR to admit that some of its elite members slaughtered John Kennedy and many more played integral roles in the cover up? No, but it is important to highlight that the Council on Foreign Relations has stunk up the place with tremendous amounts of radioactive horse manure relating to the 1963 Coup dEtat.

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