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Bob,

Where is the reaction from those on the grass to a shot at approx 285?

Background stabilized. Frames 282-312

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chris

Since I just replied to your question in another forum, I will paste it here:

First of all, Jean Hill DID react within a fraction of a second following the limo passengers, snapping her head to the right.

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But the loudest noise then was the shock wave which if from Oswald's rifle, generated a 130 decibel sound level, within a radius of 10 feet.

Brehm and the others along the road were about 20-40 feet from JFK then, and the sound level drops off exponentially, with distance. So what those people heard was probably less than half as loud as what the limo passengers heard.

But Brehm was very clear about where the limo was when he heard the first of three shots. He said he was "15-20 feet" from JFK in one interview on 11/22/63, and that he was "about 15 feet" from him in another interview. That's spot on for where JFK was at 285.

Jean Hill said she heard the first of several shots as the limo was "almost abreast" of her position, and Muchmore heard them begin just as she was snapping her final photo.

Those witnesses couldn't have supported me better if I had hired them :-)

Bob,

Jean Hill starts her head turn at approx frame 304.

I could argue she was turning her head to get a last glimpse of the limo, as it has passed her by 304.

That is too many elapsed frames for someone reacting to a shot at 285. imo

What was Jean's description of her actions when she heard the shots?

chris

It appears to me that Jean Hill may be tracking the motorcycle Cops movement ?

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It appears to me that Jean Hill may be tracking the motorcycle Cops movement ?

Uh huh.. her thinking..

"Gosh, too bad the President's being murdered - Oh well, guess I'll just check out that hot cop back there" B)

But Robin, have you seen the presentation yet??

Do you disagree with my analysis? And if so, what part do you think I got wrong?

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Uh huh.. her thinking..

The Testimony of Jean Hill Her Latter-Day ClaimWas she saying this in 1963-64?Evaluation

Was in Dealey Plaza at the time of the shooting

Yes

She is plainly visible in several films and still photos in her red raincoat.

She came to see "J.B. Marshall" her boyfriend, who was a motorcycle cop escorting the presidential limo

No

The officer she describes is not "J.B. Marshall," but rather B.J. Martin.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm

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It appears to me that Jean Hill may be tracking the motorcycle Cops movement ?

Uh huh.. her thinking..

"Gosh, too bad the President's being murdered - Oh well, guess I'll just check out that hot cop back there" B)

But Robin, have you seen the presentation yet??

Do you disagree with my analysis? And if so, what part do you think I got wrong?

Robert

You say that at Frame Z-312 Jackie is looking down, and away from Kennedy.

In my Zoomed GIF below i see Jackie looking down and at the president.

I am not sure if kennedy was actually still capable of speach at this point due to the throat shot. ?

But i think that there is a remote possibility that jackie may have been leaning down in an attempt to try to here him say something.

More responses to your presentation later when i have more time.

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Robert

In your video you say that Kellerman raises his hand to his ear.

I dont see that in your presentation video. ?

the frames are just not clear enough to be able to make that assessment in my opinion.

Do you have blow up frames to demonstate it more clearly. !

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( I have removed the Connally's section of the frames)

so as to more easily see "Jfk and Jackies reactions" compared with "Greer and Kellerman's reactions" at the same instant in time.

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Robin, look at your own GIF animation. Kellerman was too low on the screen to see his hand rise, but we can certainly see it drop from the left side of his head. And his hand wasn't there when he was turned around.

So, it had to have risen sometime after he turned back to the front and he had begun to drop his head. And do you also see his head simultaneously twist to the right and then back? He dropped his head, twisted his head to the right and raised his hand to his ear and then reversed each of those motions, straightening back up, turning back to the front, and then dropping his hand.

And he did all six of those things within a single second.

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Actually, I think we can see his hand rise to his ear. I put this animation together using part of yours.

What do you think?

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Also, I am a bit surprised that you do not see Jackie looking down and away from JFK.

This is a considerably sharper picture of her at 312.

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Actually, I think we can see his hand rise to his ear. I put this animation together using part of yours.

What do you think?

roy2.gif

Also, I am a bit surprised that you do not see Jackie looking down and away from JFK.

This is a considerably sharper picture of her at 312.

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Robin, I hope you reply to this, because I do respect your opinion, and I think it's important to understand Kellerman's reactions then, as well as what I consider to be a fact, that Jackie was looking down and away from her husband and was not inspecting him.

Two additional facts which support that are first, that her reaction began in perfect unison with the other four reactions, and that she testified that her original recollection was that she heard Connally shout and then heard two "terrible noises" afterward.

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