Was Oswald an MKULTRA Programmed Patsy?

[Thomas Graves]

I think there's a good chance.

--Tommy

[William Kelly]

I think there's a chance but there's no smoking gun (either evidence or even motive)

to make this stick. First of all, he didn't do anything that unusual (except part of his alleged

odyssey after the hit) and most of his actions were just following orders. After his arrest

he acted relatively normally but we'll never know because he was silenced rather quickly.

More likely a Programmed Patsy than assassin.

We know Oswald was connected to a number of other operations - including the U2, the Defectors Program, Wringer, Paperclip and JMWAVE (via the DRE & FPCC), so it would not be surprising to find him connected to other operations as well, especially one like MKULTRA.

Oswald, while in New Orleans in the summer of '63, did read Huxley's Doors of Perception and asked an assist DA on the legality of LSD, and Dr. Jose Rivera (USAR) was most certainly connected to MKULTRA while working on Top Secret project at Fort Detrich, MD, and he is suspected of using drugs and hypnotic suggestion techniques on Adele E, and appears to have had foreknowledge of Oswald's involvement in the Walker shooting.

So it seems like Oswald was connected to the MKULTRA project in a way that struck his interest and the interest of the doctors who had access to his records (like Rivera).

The story in the London Sunday Times documented the Navy and USMC use of the MMPI test to select recruits for training as killers and assassins, and Oswald just happened to have the personality profile they were looking for, and Oswald is known to have taken the test under Herzog and while in the USMC.

Both DeMohrenschildt and Volkmar Schmidt planted the seed in Oswald's mind about the Valkyrie Plot to kill Hitler, how the world history would have been different if it succeeded and suggested the same thing happen to Walker, an idea that Oswald seems to have manifested into his reality, but there is no indication that Oswald was crazy or ever exhibited psychotic or violent intentions.

Oswald was not however, the lone wolf assassin that is portrayed in the Day of the Jackal movie,who is thwarted from assassinating DeGaul, nor is he the triggernan in a much wider assassination and coup, who would have more reliable snipers, which means that it is more likely he was the Patsy, as it is probably easier to program someone to do a series of small things and set them up as the fall guy than it is to get them to do the really hard thing - like killing the President.

BK

For more on London Sunday Times story:

Center/Study of Political Assassinations

Edited January 30, 2012 by William Kelly

[Thomas Graves]

I think there's a chance but there's no smoking gun (either evidence or even motive)

to make this stick. First of all, he didn't do anything that unusual (except part of his alleged

odyssey after the hit) and most of his actions were just following orders. After his arrest

he acted relatively normally but we'll never know because he was silenced rather quickly.

More likely a Programmed Patsy than assassin.

We know Oswald was connected to a number of other operations - including the U2, the Defectors Program, Wringer, Paperclip and JMWAVE (via the DRE & FPCC), so it would not be surprising to find him connected to other operations as well, especially one like MKULTRA.

Oswald, while in New Orleans in the summer of '63, did read Huxley's Doors of Perception and asked an assist DA on the legality of LSD, and Dr. Jose Rivera (USAR) was most certainly connected to MKULTRA while working on Top Secret project at Fort Detrich, MD, and he is suspected of using drugs and hypnotic suggestion techniques on Adele E, and appears to have had foreknowledge of Oswald's involvement in the Walker shooting.

So it seems like Oswald was connected to the MKULTRA project in a way that struck his interest and the interest of the doctors who had access to his records (like Rivera).

The story in the London Sunday Times documented the Navy and USMC use of the MMPI test to select recruits for training as killers and assassins, and Oswald just happened to have the personality profile they were looking for, and Oswald is known to have taken the test under Herzog and while in the USMC.

Both DeMohrenschildt and Volkmar Schmidt planted the seed in Oswald's mind about the Valkyrie Plot to kill Hitler, how the world history would have been different if it succeeded and suggested the same thing happen to Walker, an idea that Oswald seems to have manifested into his reality, but there is no indication that Oswald was crazy or ever exhibited psychotic or violent intentions.

Oswald was not however, the lone wolf assassin that is portrayed in the Day of the Jackal movie,who is thwarted from assassinating DeGaul, nor is he the triggernan in a much wider assassination and coup, who would have more reliable snipers, which means that it is more likely he was the Patsy, as it is probably easier to program someone to do a series of small things and set them up as the fall guy than it is to get them to do the really hard thing - like killing the President.

BK

For more on London Sunday Times story:

Center/Study of Political Assassinations

(emphasis added by T. Graves)

Excellent post, Bill.

Exactly.

That's why I titled this thread "Was Oswald an MKULTRA Programmed Patsy-- programmed to not remember?"

If he was, it could help to explain some things. Maybe he was programmed to think he was participating in a (mail order???) gunrunning investigation. Sometime in late September or early October, LHO told Gladys Johnson that he was sorry that the room she'd advertised was no longer available because it was on the busline for him to get to "work", but the problem with this as regards the assassination is that Oswald said this to Mrs. Johnson a few weeks before the Trade Mart was selected as JFK's Dallas luncheon/speech site (thereby bring the TSBD into play) and that he said it a couple of weeks before he'd even been hired at the TSBD! I think Oswald mistakenly believed in late September/early October that he was "investigating" the gunrunning activities going on at the TSBD or thought that he'd be doing so in the near future. If he bought some 6.5 ammo from John Thomas Masen, perhaps he did so thinking that it would implicate Masen in some sort of illegal gun-related activity or thinking he was told to do so in order to get some "information" about Masen's gunrunning activities. By the same token, maybe Ruth Paine's (Chevrolet?) station wagon was being used in some Oswald-involved investigation that was not (directly) connected to the assassination. Perhaps when Oswald told Captain Fritz, "That station wagon belongs to Mrs. Paine. Don't try to drag her into this." he was thinking about the gun running investigation he was working on. Maybe Oswald did sneak the Mannlicher-Carcano into the TSBD to make it appear to the gunrunners he was investigating as though he was was a willing participant in their gunrunning plans..

--Tommy

Edited January 31, 2012 by Thomas Graves

[Thomas Graves]

I think there's a chance but there's no smoking gun (either evidence or even motive)

to make this stick. First of all, he didn't do anything that unusual (except part of his alleged

odyssey after the hit) and most of his actions were just following orders. After his arrest

he acted relatively normally but we'll never know because he was silenced rather quickly.

More likely a Programmed Patsy than assassin.

We know Oswald was connected to a number of other operations - including the U2, the Defectors Program, Wringer, Paperclip and JMWAVE (via the DRE & FPCC), so it would not be surprising to find him connected to other operations as well, especially one like MKULTRA.

Oswald, while in New Orleans in the summer of '63, did read Huxley's Doors of Perception and asked an assist DA on the legality of LSD, and Dr. Jose Rivera (USAR) was most certainly connected to MKULTRA while working on Top Secret project at Fort Detrich, MD, and he is suspected of using drugs and hypnotic suggestion techniques on Adele E, and appears to have had foreknowledge of Oswald's involvement in the Walker shooting.

So it seems like Oswald was connected to the MKULTRA project in a way that struck his interest and the interest of the doctors who had access to his records (like Rivera).

The story in the London Sunday Times documented the Navy and USMC use of the MMPI test to select recruits for training as killers and assassins, and Oswald just happened to have the personality profile they were looking for, and Oswald is known to have taken the test under Herzog and while in the USMC.

Both DeMohrenschildt and Volkmar Schmidt planted the seed in Oswald's mind about the Valkyrie Plot to kill Hitler, how the world history would have been different if it succeeded and suggested the same thing happen to Walker, an idea that Oswald seems to have manifested into his reality, but there is no indication that Oswald was crazy or ever exhibited psychotic or violent intentions.

Oswald was not however, the lone wolf assassin that is portrayed in the Day of the Jackal movie,who is thwarted from assassinating DeGaul, nor is he the triggernan in a much wider assassination and coup, who would have more reliable snipers, which means that it is more likely he was the Patsy, as it is probably easier to program someone to do a series of small things and set them up as the fall guy than it is to get them to do the really hard thing - like killing the President.

BK

For more on London Sunday Times story:

Center/Study of Political Assassinations

(emphasis added by T. Graves)

Excellent post, Bill.

Exactly.

That's why I titled this thread "Was Oswald an MKULTRA Programmed Patsy-- programmed not to remember?"

If he was, it could help to explain some things. Maybe he was MK/ULTRA-programmed to think he was participating in a (mail order???) gunrunning investigation. Sometime in late September or early October, LHO told Gladys Johnson that he was sorry that the room she'd advertised was no longer available because it was on the busline for him to get to "work", but the problems with this as regards the assassination are that 1) Oswald said this a few weeks before the Trade Mart was selected as JFK's Dallas luncheon/speech site (thereby bringing the TSBD into play), and 2) Oswald said this a couple of weeks before he'd been hired at the TSBD. I think Oswald mistakenly believed in late September/early October that he was either already investigating the (real life) gunrunning activities going on at the TSBD or that he'd start doing so in the near future. If he did buy some 6.5 ammo from John Thomas Masen, perhaps he did so believing that it would implicate Masen in some sort of illegal gun-related activity and/or that he'd been told to do so to get some "information" about Masen's gunrunning activities. Perhaps Oswald was thinking about his mythical gunrunning "investigation" when he told Captain Fritz, "That station wagon belongs to Mrs. Paine. Don't try to drag her into this." And last-but-not-least, maybe Oswald did purchase the Mannlicher-Carcano as part of Thomas Dodd's Senate investigation into the mail order gun business, and maybe Oswald did sneak it into the TSBD believing that he was doing so just to make it appear to the (real life) TSBD gunrunners as though he was was a willing participant in their gunrunning plans..

--Tommy

edited and bumped

Edited January 31, 2012 by Thomas Graves

[Mark Knight]

Tom,

I think you just may be onto something. People can be "programmed," persuaded, or even coerced into doing things they normally wouldn't, if they think they'll become a hero in the end. I think that was the motive in play with Oswald's fake defection and repatriation, and I think it also fits regarding his actions leading up to November 22nd.

Just my opinion, for what it's worth.

[Len Colby]

We know Oswald was connected to a number of other operations - including the U2, the Defectors Program, Wringer, Paperclip and JMWAVE (via the DRE & FPCC), so it would not be surprising to find him connected to other operations as well, especially one like MKULTRA.

How exactly was LHO "connected to...[Operation] Paperclip"? and what ties did he have to U2 other than being a radar operator atr Astugi?

Edited January 31, 2012 by Len Colby

[Mark Wengler]

Oswald could have been in the program, But with most of the documents destroyed. We may never know the truth. The only other person who known to be in the program was Farnk Olson.

Frank Olson was a senior U.S. microbiologist at Fort Detrick in Frederick, Maryland. He was recruited from the University of Wisconsin, where his departmental advisor was Ira Baldwin, the civilian scientist who, along with industrial partners like George W. Merck and the U.S. military, established the U.S. bioweapons program in 1943, a time when interest in applying modern technology to warfare was at an all-time high.

His specific research work at Fort Detrick's Special Operations Division has never been revealed, but he was clearly involved in biological weapons research. He had been assigned as a contact with the CIA's Technical Services Staff, run by Dr. Sidney Gottlieb and his deputy Robert Lashbruck regarding experiments with bioweapons, toxins, and mind control drugs. This was the MKNAOMI - MKULTRA program, previously known as Project Artichoke and earlier, Project Bluebird, and justified based on claimed Soviet efforts to create a "Manchurian Candidate." In 1953, as Deputy Acting Head of Special Operations for the CIA, Olson associated with Dr. William Sargant, investigating the use of psychoactive drugs at Britain's Biological Warfare Centre at Porton Down. Hence, he was privy to the innermost secrets of the CIA interrogation and biowarfare programs.

Ed Regis reports that the meeting at which Olson was dosed with LSD took place at Deep Creek Lake:

"Deep Creek Lake was three hours by car from Camp Detrick. On Wednesday morning, November 18, 1953, about a week before Thanksgiving, a group from the SO Division, including Vincent Ruwet, chief of the division, John Schwab, Frank Olson, Ben Wilson, Gerald Yonetz, and John Malinowski, drove out to the retreat. The Detrick group was met at the lodge by Sid Gottlieb, his deputy Robert Lashbrook, and a couple of others from the CIA On the second day of the retreat, after dinner, Gottlieb spiked a bottle of Cointreau with a small quantity of a substance that he and his TSS colleagues privately referred to as "serunin" but which was in fact lysergic acid diethylamide, or LSD."

According to the government's version of events, Olson subsequently suffered severe paranoia and a nervous breakdown. The CIA sent him to New York to see one of their psychiatrists, who recommended that Olson be placed into a mental institution for recovery. This all took place after Olson asked to quit the biowarfare program the week after the retreat

"Ruwet was surprised to see Olson at 7:30 in the morning, but asked him in. Olson told Ruwet that he was dissatisfied with his own performance at the retreat, that he was experiencing considerable self-doubts, and that in fact he had decided he would like to be out of the germ warfare business. He wanted to leave Camp Detrick and devote his life to something else."

The LSD experience may have led Olson to this conclusion, but it was one he had been thinking of for some time. The CIA asked him to go to New York to meet with their private psychiatrist, Harold Abramson, who was centrally involved in the "research".

The CIA claimed that on his last night in Manhattan, Olson purposely threw himself out of the window of his tenth-floor hotel room at the Hotel Pennsylvania, which he had been sharing with CIA agent Robert Lashbrook, dying on impact

The biological warfare programs and the chemical interrogation programs then remained almost completely hidden from the public, until Nixon's closure of the biowarfare program in 1969 and the Church Committee hearings of 1975

His family had no knowledge of the details of the accident until the Rockefeller Commission started uncovering some of the CIA's MKULTRA activities. In 1975, the government admitted that Olson had been dosed with LSD without his knowledge. The government offered his family an out-of-court settlement of $750,000, which they accepted.

In 1994, Eric Olson had his father's body exhumed to be buried with his wife. The family decided to have a second autopsy performed.The 1953 medical report done immediately after Dr. Olson’s death indicated that there were cuts and abrasions on the body. Theories sparked about Olson's having been assassinated by the CIA. When the second autopsy was performed by James Starrs, Professor of Law and Forensic science at the National Law Center at George Washington University, his team searched the body for any cuts and abrasions and found none. Starrs found a large hematoma on the left side of Olson's head and a large injury on his chest. The team concluded that the blunt force trauma to the head and injury to the chest had not occurred during the fall but most likely in the room before the fall. The evidence was called "rankly and starkly suggestive of homicide." Based on his findings, in 1996 the Manhattan District Attorney opened a homicide investigation into Olson's death, but was unable to find enough evidence to bring charges

This also talks about Robert Lashbrook i remember reading somewhere that he name came up in JKF assassination

[Thomas Graves]

Oswald could have been in the program, But with most of the documents destroyed. We may never know the truth. The only other person who known to be in the program was Farnk Olson.

Frank Olson was a senior U.S. microbiologist at Fort Detrick in Frederick, Maryland. He was recruited from the University of Wisconsin, where his departmental advisor was Ira Baldwin, the civilian scientist who, along with industrial partners like George W. Merck and the U.S. military, established the U.S. bioweapons program in 1943, a time when interest in applying modern technology to warfare was at an all-time high.

His specific research work at Fort Detrick's Special Operations Division has never been revealed, but he was clearly involved in biological weapons research. He had been assigned as a contact with the CIA's Technical Services Staff, run by Dr. Sidney Gottlieb and his deputy Robert Lashbruck regarding experiments with bioweapons, toxins, and mind control drugs. This was the MKNAOMI - MKULTRA program, previously known as Project Artichoke and earlier, Project Bluebird, and justified based on claimed Soviet efforts to create a "Manchurian Candidate." In 1953, as Deputy Acting Head of Special Operations for the CIA, Olson associated with Dr. William Sargant, investigating the use of psychoactive drugs at Britain's Biological Warfare Centre at Porton Down. Hence, he was privy to the innermost secrets of the CIA interrogation and biowarfare programs.

Ed Regis reports that the meeting at which Olson was dosed with LSD took place at Deep Creek Lake:

"Deep Creek Lake was three hours by car from Camp Detrick. On Wednesday morning, November 18, 1953, about a week before Thanksgiving, a group from the SO Division, including Vincent Ruwet, chief of the division, John Schwab, Frank Olson, Ben Wilson, Gerald Yonetz, and John Malinowski, drove out to the retreat. The Detrick group was met at the lodge by Sid Gottlieb, his deputy Robert Lashbrook, and a couple of others from the CIA On the second day of the retreat, after dinner, Gottlieb spiked a bottle of Cointreau with a small quantity of a substance that he and his TSS colleagues privately referred to as "serunin" but which was in fact lysergic acid diethylamide, or LSD."

According to the government's version of events, Olson subsequently suffered severe paranoia and a nervous breakdown. The CIA sent him to New York to see one of their psychiatrists, who recommended that Olson be placed into a mental institution for recovery. This all took place after Olson asked to quit the biowarfare program the week after the retreat

"Ruwet was surprised to see Olson at 7:30 in the morning, but asked him in. Olson told Ruwet that he was dissatisfied with his own performance at the retreat, that he was experiencing considerable self-doubts, and that in fact he had decided he would like to be out of the germ warfare business. He wanted to leave Camp Detrick and devote his life to something else."

The LSD experience may have led Olson to this conclusion, but it was one he had been thinking of for some time. The CIA asked him to go to New York to meet with their private psychiatrist, Harold Abramson, who was centrally involved in the "research".

The CIA claimed that on his last night in Manhattan, Olson purposely threw himself out of the window of his tenth-floor hotel room at the Hotel Pennsylvania, which he had been sharing with CIA agent Robert Lashbrook, dying on impact

The biological warfare programs and the chemical interrogation programs then remained almost completely hidden from the public, until Nixon's closure of the biowarfare program in 1969 and the Church Committee hearings of 1975

His family had no knowledge of the details of the accident until the Rockefeller Commission started uncovering some of the CIA's MKULTRA activities. In 1975, the government admitted that Olson had been dosed with LSD without his knowledge. The government offered his family an out-of-court settlement of $750,000, which they accepted.

In 1994, Eric Olson had his father's body exhumed to be buried with his wife. The family decided to have a second autopsy performed.The 1953 medical report done immediately after Dr. Olson’s death indicated that there were cuts and abrasions on the body. Theories sparked about Olson's having been assassinated by the CIA. When the second autopsy was performed by James Starrs, Professor of Law and Forensic science at the National Law Center at George Washington University, his team searched the body for any cuts and abrasions and found none. Starrs found a large hematoma on the left side of Olson's head and a large injury on his chest. The team concluded that the blunt force trauma to the head and injury to the chest had not occurred during the fall but most likely in the room before the fall. The evidence was called "rankly and starkly suggestive of homicide." Based on his findings, in 1996 the Manhattan District Attorney opened a homicide investigation into Olson's death, but was unable to find enough evidence to bring charges

This also talks about Robert Lashbrook i remember reading somewhere that he name came up in JKF assassination

Mark,

Sounds like Olson was an unfortunate "human guinea pig".

Oswald, on the other hand, may very well have been an MK/ULTRA programmed "Patsy"-- programmed to not be aware of what was going on around him and to do several self-incriminating assassination-related things, but most importantly, programmed to not remember having been programmed in the first place. And why would he have been chosen for this? Because of his psychological profile and because Angleton thought he had gone over to the Russians.

Olson was an unfortunate MK/ULTRA scientist who got some of his "own medicine" at least in a karmic kind of way. Oswald wasn't a scientist, he was a ONI-CIA spy in Russia. It's interesting to note that "the group that spied on (it's own) spies", Angleton's Counterintelligence (CI) Special Interest Group (SIG), opened a 201 file on Oswald way back on December 9, 1960, probably because Angleton suspected that Oswald had been "turned" and was now working for Soviet intelligence.

Quoting from page 146 of James W. Douglass's JFK and the Unspeakable:

"He (Oswald) was to be carefully watched (in Russia). As a security risk, he was also the ideal kind of person for the CIA to offer up three years later as a scapegoat in the assassination of a president who some believed had become a much greater security risk."

Therefore, in my extraordinarily humble opinion, Olson and Oswald are as different as the proverbial apples and oranges.

--Tommy

Edited January 31, 2012 by Thomas Graves

[David Andrews]

Nagell mentioned in one of his comic-cryptic letters that Oswald was kept under a course of hypnosis by "Harry de Fairy," presumably David Ferrie.

But I think this is a deliberate blind alley by Nagell.

Nagell also told Dick Russell that researchers should make no mistake about Oswald, as he was "in it up to his neck" (the assassination plotting), which implies volition.

I suspect that Oswald, in his "Lefty Lee" impersonation, performed a number of self-incriminating acts that would establish him as Kennedy's assassin. His motives remain unclear, though I think he believed he would be leaving the US, not that he would be arrested as the patsy. Further impersonations of Oswald cemented the patsy-making process.

Edited January 31, 2012 by David Andrews

[Ron Ecker]

If Oswald was a programmed patsy, why did he need to be eliminated in such seemingly desperate fashion? They saw no need to eliminate any of the subsequent programmed patsies (Sirhan, Bremer, Chapman, Hinckley), they were just considered lone nuts, to be institutionalized, ignored and forgotten.

[William Kelly]

We know Oswald was connected to a number of other operations - including the U2, the Defectors Program, Wringer, Paperclip and JMWAVE (via the DRE & FPCC), so it would not be surprising to find him connected to other operations as well, especially one like MKULTRA.

How exactly was LHO "connected to...[Operation] Paperclip"? and what ties did he have to U2 other than being a radar operator atr Astugi?

Oswald was connected to Paperclip by way of the defense contactors who he associated with upon his return from USSR - including those who worked for General Dynamics, Bell Hel and Collins Radio, all companies that hired Paperclip personnel. Oswald was extensively debriefed by an executive from General Dynamics, Oswald's family was cared for by Michael Paine of Bell Hel and DeMohrenschildt introduced him to former Adml. Chester Bruton of Collins Radio.

Oswald was associated with the U2 in Japan not only as a radar operator, which permitted him to know the altitude and speed of the plane, he was also familiar with the call signs, codes, etc., and served as a guard, as all U2 security in that area at the time was handled by Ed Wilson, who later exposed the existence of the previously unknown ONI Task Force and became a famous renegade CIA officer.

The Zapruder film of the assassination also connected to the U2 program as it was taken twice to the CIA's NPIC, where the U2 photos were reviewed and analyzed.

And Ron is right, if Oswald was a full MKULTRA programmed assassin he would have also been programmed to kill himself, as Candy Jones was.

BK

JFKcountercoup

[Richard Hocking]

Adele Edisen and her bizarre experience fit somewhere into this discussion.

After being drugged with LSD by Dr. Rivera, Adele was given Oswald's name, contact information, and a message to deliver to Oswald:

"... Write down this name: Lee Harvey Oswald. Tell him to kill the chief"

This was several months before the assassination.

If Oswald himself was being programmed, the contact from Adele Edisen can be seen as an attempt to reinforce his programming.

If Oswald was not being programmed, it is difficult to imagine what purpose it would serve to have an outsider contact Oswald and reveal that she had information that linked him to an upcoming assassination attempt.

[Thomas Graves]

[...]

And Ron is right, if Oswald was a full MKULTRA programmed assassin he would have also been programmed to kill himself, as Candy Jones was.

BK

JFKcountercoup

Bill,

Please re-read the title of this thread: Was Oswald an MKULTRA Programmed Patsy, programmed not to remember?" (emphasis added)

Thanks,

--Tommy

[Thomas Graves]

If Oswald was a programmed patsy, why did he need to be eliminated in such seemingly desperate fashion? They saw no need to eliminate any of the subsequent programmed patsies (Sirhan, Bremer, Chapman, Hinckley), they were just considered lone nuts, to be institutionalized, ignored and forgotten.

OK, Ron. Maybe "They" were just afraid Oswald would somehow come out of the spell the'd cast on him and "spill the beans". Maybe he was already showing signs of coming out of it. Maybe they didn't need to liquidate Sirhan, Bremer, Chapman, or Hinckley because by that time they'd perfected their arcane art(s)...

--Tommy

Edited January 31, 2012 by Thomas Graves

[Len Colby]

We know Oswald was connected to a number of other operations - including the U2, the Defectors Program, Wringer, Paperclip and JMWAVE (via the DRE & FPCC), so it would not be surprising to find him connected to other operations as well, especially one like MKULTRA.

How exactly was LHO "connected to...[Operation] Paperclip"? and what ties did he have to U2 other than being a radar operator atr Astugi?

Oswald was connected to Paperclip by way of the defense contactors who he associated with upon his return from USSR - including those who worked for General Dynamics, Bell Hel and Collins Radio, all companies that hired Paperclip personnel. Oswald was extensively debriefed by an executive from General Dynamics, Oswald's family was cared for by Michael Paine of Bell Hel and DeMohrenschildt introduced him to former Adml. Chester Bruton of Collins Radio.

I assume the “executive from General Dynamics” you referred to was Max Clark, according to WCR their only contact was that LHO contacted him seemingly about a job. If indeed you meant Clark do you have evidence he actually “debriefed” LHO. Did Clark or whomever you were talking about have any contact with the Paperclip folks?

LHO’s contact with Bruton seems to have been limited to a brief and acrimonious exchange by the latter’s pool. Do you believe it went beyond that? Collins connection to Paperclip was Alexander Lippisch who worked at the company’s Cedar Rapids (Iowa) HQ over 800 miles from Dallas

Oswald was associated with the U2 in Japan not only as a radar operator, which permitted him to know the altitude and speed of the plane, he was also familiar with the call signs, codes, etc., and served as a guard, as all U2 security in that area at the time was handled by Ed Wilson, who later exposed the existence of the previously unknown ONI Task Force and became a famous renegade CIA officer

.

What are your sources for these claims. I doubt a lowly radar operator would have been privy to such details:

• the evidence suggests the KGB had no interest in what he had to offer

• the plane was specially designed to be invisible to radar

• primary radar doesn’t provide altitude or speed data, though I assume the latter could calculated based on the time a target took to travel from one point to another. Secondary radar provides this info but only works if the target that has functioning transponder, an unlikely accessory for a plane designed to be invisible to radar. I’m not even sure secondary radar existed at the time.

• even at its max. operating altitude and assuming a best case scenario - the U-2 would have been beyond Atsugi’s radar range when it was about 300 miles from the base. It is reasonable to assume it would have avoided operating at its maximum capabilities with range of radar facilities capable of tracking it.

I’ve never seen the claim LHO “served as a guard” before, what is source? Do you have any evidence he had contact with Wilson?

The Zapruder film of the assassination also connected to the U2 program as it was taken twice to the CIA's NPIC, where the U2 photos were reviewed and analyzed.

And you consider that an LHO - intel "connection"