John Navin Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 https://nsarchive.wordpress.com/2012/02/03/cia-claims-release-of-its-history-of-the-bay-of-pigs-debacle-would-confuse-the-public/ Love this. Great excuse. Sure wouldn't want to "confuse the public" what with this being a democracy and all. I wonder if there's stuff in that history that JFK researchers might find interesting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Wengler Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 The are saying that releasing this will confuse the public? Or is it that the story they told is different then whats in the document that they don't want release? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Navin Posted February 5, 2012 Author Share Posted February 5, 2012 The are saying that releasing this will confuse the public? Or is it that the story they told is different then whats in the document that they don't want release? That's right: one version for the public and then the real story. Roots of 11/22/63 buried in the Bay of Pigs documents, as Nixon may have known? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Kaiser Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 (edited) https://nsarchive.wordpress.com/2012/02/03/cia-claims-release-of-its-history-of-the-bay-of-pigs-debacle-would-confuse-the-public/ Love this. Great excuse. Sure wouldn't want to "confuse the public" what with this being a democracy and all. I wonder if there's stuff in that history that JFK researchers might find interesting? Here is the entire volume III of the CIA's report that was withheld on the Bay of Pigs, the FOIA won their lawsuit against the CIA and the court order the CIA to release its records. Many researchers have been saying that JFK "inherited" the Bay of Pigs and it was never authorized by the Eisenhower administration, but that's not true, in these FOIA documents on page two it clearly states that the Eisenhower administration did in fact approve the plan. It would have been up to the upcoming president to abolish the plan, but Kennedy didn't, he let it follow through. And guess who the "Mastermind" behind the operation was? That's right! Nixon... HELLO! Is it no wonder why Nixon always referred to the Bay of Pigs to Kennedy's assassination? BTW, I have said time and time again why the plans were changed, I told everyone that Nixon want to have the operation kicked off in November, I'm wondering now if any of the researchers are listing? Volume 3 VVV http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB341/BayOfPigsHistory_Vol3.pdf Volume 4 VVV http://www.foia.cia.gov/bay-of-pigs/bop-vol4.pdf Edited February 9, 2012 by Scott Kaiser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Wengler Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Didn't the C.I.A tell President Kennedy it be almost a Cake Walk for the exiles to retake Cuba? Also that the people would join with the exiles to oust Castro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Kaiser Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 (edited) Didn't the C.I.A tell President Kennedy it be almost a Cake Walk for the exiles to retake Cuba? Also that the people would join with the exiles to oust Castro? Its all in volume III of the CIA's report, I beleive it starts talking about that on page five, I do know that there are several pages containing interesting information on a person I call "uncle Sidney Sacks" as a kid, aka William Pawley. Edited February 8, 2012 by Scott Kaiser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Wengler Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Scott how much does the report cost? So I can save up to get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Kaiser Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 (edited) Scott how much does the report cost? So I can save up to get it. I have already attached both volumes III and IV for everyone's review, you may download it at no charge, and V may present a bit of a problem. Volume V is the one the CIA does not want you to see. Below is the reason why. Its up to the FOIA to have the files released, it has been an ongoing lawsuit sense 1987. Why the CIA wishes to keep volume V of the Bay of Pigs totally secret: Keeping it secret! Volume five of the history, written by "CIA historian Jack Pfeiffer" –who sued the CIA himself to release the history in 1987, and lost– is described by the CIA as an “Internal Investigation document” that “is an uncritical defense of the CIA officers who planned and executed the Bay of Pigs operation… It offers a polemic of recriminations against CIA officers who later criticized the operation and against those U.S. officials who its author, Dr. Pfeiffer, contends were responsible for the failure of that operation." Edited February 9, 2012 by Scott Kaiser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom Scully Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Scott how much does the report cost? So I can save up to get it. Mark, the four links on this page lead to what seems to be all publicly available portions of the entire report. You have to be a member to download the four .pdf files, but you may be able to view it all online, without paid membership.: http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Featured_CIA_Official_History_of_the_Bay_of_Pigs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Kaiser Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 (edited) Many have question whether the Bay of Pigs would have been a successful mission or a complete failure even with the help of the air support that was called off, and was the plan actually "design to fail". I will share with you a report indicating such action and IMHO why the Bay of Pigs failed. The question has been raised in some quarters as to whether the amphibious/airborne operation could not be mounted without tactical air preparation or support or with minimum air support. It is axiomatic in amphibious operations that the control of air and sea in the objective area is absolutely required. The spectacular aspects of the air operations would have gone as far as producing an uprising in Cuba that the CIA and the Cuban exiles seek. When asked if the Agency had taken "a strong position" with Secretary of State Rusk during the meeting at which the D-Day air strike was called off by President Kennedy during the telephone conversation with Mr. Rusk, Hawkins's opinion was reported have been: Probably not strong enough. It was indicated that the worst would be that the invaders would not have their B-26 support and if the ships were on their way out, the force would be denied its resupply capability. After reading this how could anyone suggest that this plan was "designed to fail"? I have said it time and time again, through radio contact the first person that received word that no supply or air support would be given to the Cuban exiles on the ship Barbra was Osvaldo Coello who was the ships main radio operator and who is in my father's phone book as the radio operator in Dallas Texas. The day John F. Kennedy was killed. The Colonel was far more positive about the disastrous results of the cancellation of the pre-D-Day and D-Day air strikes as he closed the third meeting of the Taylor Committee by reading his memorandum on "Factors which Hampered Preparations for and Conduct of Effective Paramilitary Operations. The paramilitary staff, on the other hand, consistently informed ALL authorities concerned that the operation could not be conducted unless the opposing air force was KNOCKED OUT before the landing, and unless the landing force was continually supported by effective tactical air operations as long as it was in a combat situation. So how could anyone come up with the brilliant idea that this was a plan design to fail? NOT! ARE YOU LISTENING? IS ANYONE LISTENING? Scott Kaiser Edited February 9, 2012 by Scott Kaiser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Wengler Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 I was wondering why Playa Girón was picked to land an invasion force? It was a big swamp. Surely there was better landing spots to pick. landing there the force did not have a chance of fighting Castro and his men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Kaiser Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 (edited) I was wondering why Playa Girón was picked to land an invasion force? It was a big swamp. Surely there was better landing spots to pick. landing there the force did not have a chance of fighting Castro and his men. Actually, that was the best spot for the ground troops to fight a guerrilla warfare, there was another spot that was also chosen, but the initial spot which was the "Playa Girón" would be the settling place, it was the relentless pursuit and media harassment that doomed the landing, you don't allow your enemy to know your coming, that also contributed in Castro moving his forces where they needed to be, what was suppose to be a surprise attack turn into handing the forces over to Castro on a silver platter. So many things went wrong, but getting the word out to the press was away for Castro to prepare for D-Day. Edited February 9, 2012 by Scott Kaiser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Schweitzer Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 (edited) https://nsarchive.wo...use-the-public/ Love this. Great excuse. Sure wouldn't want to "confuse the public" what with this being a democracy and all. I wonder if there's stuff in that history that JFK researchers might find interesting? http://educationforu...dpost&p=235641 Well said. "Confuse the public" is their job, isn't it? This is like a short-order cook saying "I ain't gonna scramble no eggs!" Edited February 9, 2012 by Michael Schweitzer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Kaiser Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 (edited) MAKING IT EASY Lyman B. Kirkpatrick's report at the direction of John A. McCone director of the CIA. http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB341/IGrpt1.pdf The White House Office of the Press Secretary For Immediate Release December 29, 2009 Executive Order 13526- Classified National Security Information For those of you who are interested in what the Oval office has to say on the FOIA information and documents that are withheld by our governing agencies I will attach a completed reference of President Obama's Executive Order 13526. http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/executive-order-classified-national-security-information Notes on an April 1963 visit to Cuba by attorney James B. Donovan and a memorandum of statements by Fidel Castro from the same trip, record a secret effort to negotiate the release of American prisoners that also helped to initiate a dialogue between bitter adversaries. http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/bayofpigs/index.html Lawsuit against the CIA http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB341/CIA_complaint_final.pdf Rebuttal to Kirkpatrick from the office of deputy director Richard Bissell http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB341/IGrpt2.pdf This top secret memorandum of conversation from a meeting of the National Security Council describes continued planning of paramilitary operations in Cuba. President Kennedy says he plans to authorize an operation in which “patriotic Cubans return to their homeland.” Document 7 - White House, 3/2/1963, [Audio conversation between President John F. Kennedy and Attorney General Robert Kennedy] [Part 1 - mp3] [Part 2 - mp3] In this telephone conversation between President Kennedy and his brother Attorney General Robert Kennedy, they discuss concerns that a Senate investigating committee might reveal that the President had authorized jets from the US aircraft carrier Essex to provide one hour of air coverage, to create a no-fly zone for Bay of Pigs B-26 bombers the morning of April 19. Due to a timing mistake, the jets never met up with the bombers; 2 bombers were shot down, leading to the deaths of 4 Americans. So who was to blame? http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB341/index.htm Robert and John Kennedy on the Bay of Pigs http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20673422/Robert%20and%20John%20Kennedy%20on%20the%20BOP.MP3 Robert and John Kennedy http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20673422/Robert%20and%20John%20Kennedy.MP3 Also released today are documents relating to secret efforts by the Kennedy Administration to begin a dialogue with Castro in the days before his assassination in November 1963. In a February 1964 message to President Johnson, conveyed through ABC News correspondent Lisa Howard, Castro tells the new president "that there are no areas of contention between us that cannot be discussed and settled within a climate of mutual understanding," and expresses hope that Johnson will win the November presidential election and continue with the Kennedy Administration's rapproachment effort. http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/bayofpigs/19640212.pdf A memorandum of statements by Fidel Castro from the same trip, record a secret effort to negotiate the release of American prisoners that also helped to initiate a dialogue between bitter adversaries. http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/bayofpigs/19630400b.pdf A memorandum from Kennedy aide Richard Goodwin recounting his August 22, 1961 conversation with Ernesto "Che" Guevara in which Guevara thanks Goodwin for the Bay of Pigs invasion - which he calls "a great political victory" -but also seeks to establish a "modus vivendi" with the U.S. government. http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/bayofpigs/19610822.pdf A November 1, 1961 memorandum from Goodwin to President Kennedy supporting the concept of a "command operation" on Cuba, commanded by Attorney General Robert Kennedy. The reorganization of Cuban operations as described in the memo sets the stage for the decision to launch a new, multifaceted set of anti-Castro activities, codenamed Operation Mongoose. http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/bayofpigs/19611101.pdf Edited February 9, 2012 by Scott Kaiser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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