If Oswald Was an Intelligence Agent of Some Sort, How Was He Manipulated Into Being a Patsy?

[Paul Brancato]

Why would the FBI be sending checks to Oswald?

[Paul Trejo]

Why would the FBI be sending checks to Oswald?

Well, Paul B., this goes back to my earlier hypothesis that Oswald could be made into a patsy precisely because he was not an Intelligence agent, but was merely a trainee, or a part-time, low-level gopher, doing odd jobs for the ONI, the CIA and the FBI with his Minox camera, as petty jobs came up.

Oswald probably hoped his good performance with these odd jobs would lead to full-time employment in the future. In any case, his lack of a college degree probably doomed him to a lifetime of frustration -- he would never be selected, but he might die trying.

Best regards,

--Paul Trejo

Edited June 13, 2013 by Paul Trejo

[Paul Trejo]

I only wonder how Oswald could have afforded, out of his own pocket, to consort with the bar girls at such expensive joints as The Queen Bee. But then again, if the girls with whom Oswald was hanging out were really Soviet agents pumping him for information, they probably gave him a big discount!

Also, there is that documented case of V.D. which he contracted "in the line of duty." In the line of duty as a "volunteer informant"? Sounds a little contradictory to me!

Regardless, I do like the notion that Oswald was a perennial Volunteer...

Sincerely,

--Tommy

This is good evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald always wanted to be a spy -- and he worked hard for the chance. He volunteered for everything, hoping to strike it rich one day, and become a candidate for a full-time job with one of the intelligence agencies of the US government.

Oswald had a lot going for him -- ye was young, he was a Marine, he had a high-security clearance because he was trained in radar operations, he was taught Russian -- and best of all, he was selected along with 35-39 other young men to be 'dangled' in the USSR for intelligence purposes.

Unfortunately, Oswald was never offered a full-time job with any intelligence agency -- IMHO because he married Marina Prussakova while in the USSR, and rushed her home to meet his family, probably breaking his ONI contract.

Yet he never gave up -- IMHO he kept trying to become a spy by doing odd jobs for the FBI and perhaps the CIA. Yet things were going too slow. Also, Oswald was young and undereducated -- he had zero college. So, when George De Mohrenschildt and Volkmar Schmidt worked on Oswald at a Dallas party for engineers in early 1963, trying to convince Oswald to transfer his anger over the Bay of Pigs to anger over the Ole Miss riots and ex-General Walker, Oswald over-reacted.

It seems to me that Oswald actually did try to kill General Walker -- the material evidence is overwhelming. If so, then when George De Mohrenschildt expressed his suspicions to Mr. and Mrs. Igor Voshinin on Easter Sunday, 1963, and Mrs. Voshinin immediately phoned the FBI about it (viz. Dick Russell, TMWKTM) that was the point when Lee Harvey Oswald lost every chance of ever being hired by the FBI, ONI or CIA for anything important.

Just as George De Mohrenschildt testified before the Warren Commission [i paraphrase]: "no government would be stupid enough to trust Lee Harvey Oswald with anything important."

It was in early April 1963 that Oswald, IMHO, took a shot at ex-General Walker and missed. It was in late April 1963 that Oswald arrived in New Orleans, and began, IMHO, reporting to Guy Banister and David Ferrie.

Little did Lee Harvey Oswald know, but Guy Banister had a good friend, Medford Evans, who was also a good friend of ex-General Edwin Walker, who sized up the situation. Banister and Walker were both officers in Robert De Pugh's Minutemen paramilitary organization. Guy Banister would now sheep-dip Oswald on behalf of his friend, Edwin Walker.

Although Lee Harvey Oswald had no further chances of becoming an employee of the US intelligence community, he was naive enough to believe everything that Guy Banister told him. Banister led Oswald along by promising him a great career in secret operations. His first task, said Banister, was to head up a fake FPCC branch in New Orleans.

Best regards,

--Paul Trejo

Edited June 15, 2013 by Paul Trejo

[David Andrews]

_{What about Oswald-Bannister-Ferrie and Clay Shaw, Paul?}

Edited June 14, 2013 by David Andrews

[Paul Trejo]

What about Oswald-Bannister-Ferrie and Clay Shaw, Paul?

David, IMHO Jim Garrison showed amply that Claw Shaw was the bank-roller for Guy Banister. Clay Shaw was a money-man, and he had to know the secrets, because he wanted to know what his money was being used for.

Yet I don't think Clay Shaw did much more than approve the proposals and hand over some money for the actions.

This is one step removed from the ground-crew, as I see it. There were many other money-donors to the JFK assassination plot, and most of that money got wasted and frittered away on flailing about.

For example, I feel confident that Carlos Marcello donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to kill JFK. There is talk of a half-million dollar contract that he put out on JFK, and it probably was funnelled through his legal aid group, which consisted of Guy Banister and David Ferrie -- these guys actively supported this Mafia boss.

I've read that David Ferrie personally flew Carlos Marcello back to the USA from Guatemala when RFK banished him there. Guy Banister ensured Carlos had a clean reputation in the eyes of the powerful.

Santos Trafficante also donated countless thousands of dollars to kill JFK, I've read, and so did Sam Giancana through Johnny Rosselli. On the Texan side, it is widely rumored that H.L. Hunt contributed freely to extreme right-wing causes, including the Birchers and the Minutemen in Texas, as well as others.

His sons did the same, I've read, and so did many other oil billionaires in Dallas who were also members of the John Birch Society, or Freinds of Walker groups. Yet it is difficult to distinguish between money handed over to kill Fidel Castro, and money handed over to kill JFK. The funds were probably going to the same players in both cases.

Then there was Charles Milteer -- the millionaire, racist and radical rightist; he is rumored to have donated hundreds of thousands to JFK assassination plots.

So, that's my opinion of Clay Shaw. He was one of dozens of rich men who threw money at anybody who talked wildly about killing JFK. The crazy guys in his world were David Ferrie and Guy Banister. Ferrie probably went to the same parties as Clay Shaw -- while Guy Banister was all business, and could be trusted to be confidential in the extreme.

There is lots of eye-witness evidence that Clay Shaw was seen in Clinton, LA with Lee Harvey Oswald and David Ferrie. What was Oswald doing there? He was applying for a steady job at a hospital. He even got a haircut there, and talked about registering to vote.

But while Oswald was getting his haircut, he learned that the hospital to which he was going to apply that day was an insane asylum, and so he refused to apply, no matter how much Ferrie and Shaw objected.

Why bother with a job in Clinton, at all? Because, IMHO, when doing secret operations, it is mandatory to have a Front to show the world and the IRS, so that one could have plausible deniability.

This was one of Oswald's weak points. He didn't like to lay low. He refused to keep these petty jobs that spies are obliged to take and hold while they are doing undercover work. Oswald quit his job at Leslie Welding, he was fired from Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall, and he was fired from the Reilly Coffee Company. This is one of the complaints that George De Mohrenschildt laid on Lee Oswald.

Here is another example -- his handlers wanted him to have a steady job. Here was a job at a hospital in Clinton; and Oswald flatly refused to interview for the job.

Well -- Oswald saw it a different way: Clay Shaw was rich. Clay Shaw could easily give Oswald $10 a day for playing spy, rather than have Oswald working for $1.25 an hour chasing and wrestling the insane.

But other than being one of the money bags, I don't see much more of a role for Clay Shaw in the JFK assassination -- especially at the street level. More important than Clay Shaw in New Orleans was Carlos Bringuier. We have Carlos and Lee Oswald in the newspapers together, in jail together, on the radio together and on television together (as I recall).

Carlos Bringuier and Lee Harvey Oswald spent a lot of time together in New Orleans -- and Guy Banister was the common link between the two. Carlos belonged to the radical right-wing group of Cuban Exiles named the D.R.E. Ex-General Walker was also a supporter of the DRE; and Oswald had the DRE headquarters phone number in his personal phone book.

Also imporant is Ed Butler, a Cuban-American with superb media experience (for 1963). He had radio expertise and television expertise, and evidently he was the producer for the well-known radio program, Radio Free Cuba. This was so popular that even the CIA got behind Ed Butler.

Ed Butler was the one who set up a radio show and a television show for Lee Harvey Oswald in New Orleans. Ed Butler also arranged to have Lee Harvey Oswald filmed in front of Clay Shaw's Trade Mart in New Orleans, handing out FPCC handbills. (Who films a Communist handing out handbills? Answer: only a propaganda specialist!)

Carlos Bringuier and Ed Butler were personal associates of Guy Banister -- but it was David Ferrie who spoke to them in Spanish, and he spoke in their rightist vocabulary, too. Ferrie hated JFK with a passion because of the Bay of Pigs, and he drilled this into his Cuban Exile followers.

In early September, Loran Hall told Sylvia Odio that Lee Harvey Oswald said [and I paraphrase]: "you Cubans don't have any guts because you should have killed JFK after the Bay of Pigs." George De Mohrenschildt and Volkmar Schmidt both said that Lee Harvey Oswald expressed those exact same sentiments in Dallas, Texas, when he was living there.

It's too bad that Marina Oswald was kept in the dark about all this. She was the source for Priscilla Johnson's book on Marina and Lee, and she had no clue at all about Oswald's many contacts in New Orleans. As far as Marina Oswald was concerned, Lee Harvey Oswald was a "lone" activist. Marina told all the truth that she knew, but Lee Oswald hid so much of the truth from Marina.

Best regards,

--Paul Trejo

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Edited June 15, 2013 by Paul Trejo

[Thomas Graves]

[...]

For example, I feel confident that Carlos Bringuier donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to kill JFK. There is talk of a half-million dollar contract that he put out on JFK, and it probably was funnelled through his legal aid group, which consisted of Guy Banister and David Ferrie -- these guys actively supported this Mafia boss.

I've read that David Ferrie personally flew Carlos Bringuier back to the USA from Guatemala when RFK banished him there. Guy Banister ensured Carlos had a clean reputation in the eyes of the powerful.

Santos Trafficante also donated countless thousands of dollars to kill JFK, I've read, and so did Sam Giancana through Johnny Rosselli.

[...]

[emphasis added by T. Graves]

Dear Paul,

You've confused the anti-Castro Cuban, Carlos Bringuier, with New Orleans Mafia boss Carlos Marcello.

Warmest regards,

--Tommy

Edited June 15, 2013 by Thomas Graves

[Paul Trejo]

[...]

For example, I feel confident that Carlos Bringuier donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to kill JFK. There is talk of a half-million dollar contract that he put out on JFK, and it probably was funnelled through his legal aid group, which consisted of Guy Banister and David Ferrie -- these guys actively supported this Mafia boss.

I've read that David Ferrie personally flew Carlos Bringuier back to the USA from Guatemala when RFK banished him there. Guy Banister ensured Carlos had a clean reputation in the eyes of the powerful.

Santos Trafficante also donated countless thousands of dollars to kill JFK, I've read, and so did Sam Giancana through Johnny Rosselli.

[...]

[emphasis added by T. Graves]

Dear Paul,

You've confused the anti-Castro Cuban, Carlos Bringuier, with New Orleans Mafia boss Carlos Marcello.

Warmest regards,

--Tommy

I noticed my speed-typing typo, Tommy, and I'd corrected it some hours ago.

I'll take this opportunity, though, to express some gratitude for this thread, because I really like your question, "If Oswald Was an Intelligence Agent of Some Sort, How Was He Manipulated Into Being a Patsy?"

It helps the reader focus on the real, historical personality of Lee Harvey Oswald. It clarifies that although Lee Oswald was close to the intelligence community, he was never fully accepted by them.

It also allows me to articulate my opinion about Lee Oswald as a complex character. He beat Marina when they lived in Texas, but not when they lived in Minsk or in New Orleans. Thus he was not a "wife beater" as such, but only during a particular period of a particular stress that the Dallas Russian Community exerted upon him, IMHO.

Also, he was very talented -- and very flawed. Perhaps his youth was his main flaw.

Nevertheless, I continue to maintain that the official Intelligence community is innocent of the patsification and the death of Lee Harvey Oswald. The perpetrators of the patsification of Lee Oswald were the same perpetrators of the assassination of JFK. These were not, IMHO, government officials, but private individuals.

The main goal of these private individuals was the invasion of Cuba and the death of Fidel Castro. The perpetrators convinced themselves and each other that the death of JFK would inspire the USA to invade Cuba. (Those who hated JFK would invade Cuba once free of JFK's shackles, and those who loved JFK would invade Cuba out of revenge for JFK's death by an alleged Communist. That was the dream.)

But in the minutes before Lee Harvey Oswald was captured, countless newsmen and readers around the USA were certain that the right-wing radicals in the USA were the JFK killers.

It was critical that the people must be thrown a patsy to throw them off the trail. The foresight of planning to make Lee Harvey Oswald into the patsy of the JFK assassination was a stroke of brilliance that has no precedence in US history. (It had been done in Europe before, but not in the USA until 1963.)

Yet the perpetrators of the JFK assassination learned the hard way -- very few believed that the Communists killed JFK. Most folks knew that the USSR and Cuba had more to lose with any other American President than with JFK. Very few believed that Oswald was really a Communist -- that's the bottom line. The USA was not tempted to invade Cuba. (For a while we were tempted to invade the John Birch Society book stores.)

In answer to your thread's question, Tommy, Lee Harvey Oswald could be made into the patsy for the JFK plot precisely because he was not an Intelligence agent; rather, he was an outspoken, pushy youngster who wanted to be a 007 spy, and not a real spy who works his ordinary low wage job and lays low for years at a time.

Lee Harvey Oswald could be made into a patsy because he was too ambitious, and too gullible. Guy Banister completely pulled the wool over the eyes of Lee Harvey Oswald.

The entire New Orleans episode is the story of how Guy Banister & Co. used newspaper, radio and television to make Lee Harvey Oswald appear to be an officer of the FPCC in New Orleans.

Yet even the Warren Commission acknowledged that Oswald's FPCC chapter was a fake. It's always amazing to me how people who claim to be conservative and who accept the Warren Commission with all its errors, still miss this key point -- Oswald's FPCC chapter in New Orleans was a fake!

And therefore, Oswald was a fake Communist. And therefore, it should be clear that the entire FPCC episode in New Orleans was precisely the episode that transformed Lee Harvey Oswald into the patsy.

Best regards,

--Paul Trejo

Edited June 15, 2013 by Paul Trejo

[Thomas Graves]

[...]

For example, I feel confident that Carlos Bringuier donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to kill JFK. There is talk of a half-million dollar contract that he put out on JFK, and it probably was funnelled through his legal aid group, which consisted of Guy Banister and David Ferrie -- these guys actively supported this Mafia boss.

I've read that David Ferrie personally flew Carlos Bringuier back to the USA from Guatemala when RFK banished him there. Guy Banister ensured Carlos had a clean reputation in the eyes of the powerful.

Santos Trafficante also donated countless thousands of dollars to kill JFK, I've read, and so did Sam Giancana through Johnny Rosselli.

[...]

[emphasis added by T. Graves]

Dear Paul,

You've confused the anti-Castro Cuban, Carlos Bringuier, with New Orleans Mafia boss Carlos Marcello.

Warmest regards,

--Tommy

I noticed my speed-typing typo, Tommy, and I'd corrected it some hours ago.

I'll take this opportunity, though, to express some gratitude for this thread, because I really like your question, "If Oswald Was an Intelligence Agent of Some Sort, How Was He Manipulated Into Being a Patsy?"

It helps the reader focus on the real, historical personality of Lee Harvey Oswald. It clarifies that although Lee Oswald was close to the intelligence community, he was never fully accepted by them.

It also allows me to articulate my opinion about Lee Oswald as a complex character. He beat Marina when they lived in Texas, but not when they lived in Minsk or in New Orleans. Thus he was not a "wife beater" as such, but only during a particular period of a particular stress that the Dallas Russian Community exerted upon him, IMHO.

Also, he was very talented -- and very flawed. Perhaps his youth was his main flaw.

Nevertheless, I continue to maintain that the official Intelligence community is innocent of the patsification and the death of Lee Harvey Oswald. The perpetrators of the patsification of Lee Oswald were the same perpetrators of the assassination of JFK. These were not, IMHO, government officials, but private individuals.

The main goal of these private individuals was the invasion of Cuba and the death of Fidel Castro. The perpetrators convinced themselves and each other that the death of JFK would inspire the USA to invade Cuba. (Those who hated JFK would invade Cuba once free of JFK's shackles, and those who loved JFK would invade Cuba out of revenge for JFK's death by an alleged Communist. That was the dream.)

But in the minutes before Lee Harvey Oswald was captured, countless newsmen and readers around the USA were certain that the right-wing radicals in the USA were the JFK killers.

It was critical that the people must be thrown a patsy to throw them off the trail. The foresight of planning to make Lee Harvey Oswald into the patsy of the JFK assassination was a stroke of brilliance that has no precedence in US history. (It had been done in Europe before, but not in the USA until 1963.)

Yet the perpetrators of the JFK assassination learned the hard way -- very few believed that the Communists killed JFK. Most folks knew that the USSR and Cuba had more to lose with any other American President than with JFK. Very few believed that Oswald was really a Communist -- that's the bottom line. The USA was not tempted to invade Cuba. (For a while we were tempted to invade the John Birch Society book stores.)

In answer to your thread's question, Tommy, Lee Harvey Oswald could be made into the patsy for the JFK plot precisely because he was not an Intelligence agent; rather, he was an outspoken, pushy youngster who wanted to be a 007 spy, and not a real spy who works his ordinary low wage job and lays low for years at a time.

Lee Harvey Oswald could be made into a patsy because he was too ambitious, and too gullible. Guy Banister completely pulled the wool over the eyes of Lee Harvey Oswald.

The entire New Orleans episode is the story of how Guy Banister & Co. used newspaper, radio and television to make Lee Harvey Oswald appear to be an officer of the FPCC in New Orleans.

Yet even the Warren Commission acknowledged that Oswald's FPCC chapter was a fake. It's always amazing to me how people who claim to be conservative and who accept the Warren Commission with all its errors, still miss this key point -- Oswald's FPCC chapter in New Orleans was a fake!

And therefore, Oswald was a fake Communist. And therefore, it should be clear that the entire FPCC episode in New Orleans was precisely the episode that transformed Lee Harvey Oswald into the patsy.

Best regards,

--Paul Trejo

Dear Paul,

So your mistakes were just speed-typing "typos" (where you twice hit the keys that spelled out B-R-I-N-G-U-I-E-R instead of M-A-R-C-E-L-L-O) and, more importantly, you noticed them all by yourself !

Well, are you in the habit of reading your posts for mistakes right after you post them, or do you wait a couple of hours, first, Paul?

When I first posted about your two identical "typos," they were still visible (and had been visible for about three hours), and you were lurking on this thread at the time.

How Ironic that we would both notice your "typos" at the same time!

Warmest regards,

--Tommy

PS I'm glad you like the title of the thread.

Edited June 15, 2013 by Thomas Graves

[Paul Trejo]

Dear Paul,

How Ironic that we would both notice your "typos" at the same time!

Warmest regards,

--Tommy

Well, Tommy, I notice that you have sometimes edited your posts after sending them, too. As for speed typing, sometimes it comes with speed thinking, so mistakes can happen. I corrected it, that's the key.

But please, let's not let these picayune trivialities get in the way of the point of the thread.

Lee Harvey Oswald was not an Intelligence agent -- but he was attempting to be one. He had no protection or insider source of information from the Agencies.

Also, his ambition exceeded his capabilities.

My main point in the past week was that the primary purpose of Oswald's episode in New Orleans in the summer of 1963 was to be sheep-dipped (framed) by Guy Banister & Co. (Of course, Oswald had no idea this was going to happen.)

All of his actions -- starting with taking a job at Reilly Coffee Company, only a couple of blocks from Guy Banister's office, to quitting that job, to almost applying for a job at Clinton and getting a haircut there, to handing out FPCC leaflets to his fake FPCC chapter, to fighting with Carlos Bringuier (yes, Bringuier), to calling the FBI once he was in jail in New Orleans, to appearing on the radio with Carlos Bringuier and Ed Butler, to appearing on television with Carlos Bringuier and Ed Butler (as I recall) -- all of this was part of the sheep-dip.

But Lee Harvey Oswald didn't know he was being framed. Lee Harvey Oswald thought that this was only one more step in his attempt to become a full-time employee of an Intelligence Agency. That was the only reason that Oswald went along with it.

And that is my answer to your question, Tommy. How was Oswald manipulated into being a Patsy? Precisely because he wanted to become a full-time employee of an Intelligence Agency so badly, that he would go to any lengths for that purpose.

Guy Banister, knowing this, lied and lied to Lee Harvey Oswald. Guy Banister knew very well that the Cuban Consulate in Mexico City would never admit Lee Harvey Oswald into Cuba, even with an armful of newspaper clippings "proving" that Oswald was an officer of the FPCC.

At the end of the summer of 1963, thanks to the genius of Guy Banister & Company, Lee Harvey Oswald had been in the newspapers, in jail, in an FBI report, filmed on the street, on a radio program and on a television show -- all showing him to be a Communist.

Lee Harvey Oswald would follow Guy Banister anywhere to get a job in the Intelligence community. There's my answer.

Best regards,

--Paul Trejo

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Edited June 15, 2013 by Paul Trejo