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'Hiding in Plain Sight' Photographic Evidence of Bullet Hole in JFK Limousine Windshield by Douglas P. Horne


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With all due respect to Doug Horne, who is a brilliant researcher, this article seems to have been written as a result of swallowing all the t+t bullet hole myths whole and repeating them.

That is not to say there could not have been a t+t hole; this article does not demonstrate it.

In addition, the tendency is to assume there *has* to be a t+t hole for there to have been a conspiracy. That is a false assumption.

In fact, it is possible to make an even better argument by demonstrating that the lack of damage to the windshield by a supposed crackpot with a poorly-aligned rifle gives clear indication of a conspiracy, because killing one person and nearly killing another without substantially damaging an 8K limo could only have been done by sharpshooters...

I know my statements will probably generate bedlam and mayhem, as they have in the past. Just the same, this time, before the screaming and yelling begins...why not think about it for a moment? :-)

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Guest Robert Morrow

FBI leader Deke DeLoach describes the crack in the windshield of JFK's limo

Deke DeLoach was extremely close to LBJ, more so than Hoover, and as the FBI's PR man DeLoach played a key role in covering up the JFK assassination. But not what he says in his book about the crack in JFK's windshield.

Outside it was smooth; inside it was sharp & grooved.

"With the help of the Secret Service, they rolled out the car, removed the plastic cover and the leatherette convertible top. One of the FBI agents, a photographer, took pictures from all angles, including the interior of the trunk. Then Frazier and his crew began to examine the automobile, patiently, carefully, with precise attention to every detail. They measured the crack on the windshield, gleaming in the artificial light like a spider web. They they ran their fingers across it inside and outside. Outside the spider web was smooth to the touch. Inside it was sharp and grooved. They carefully scraped the cracks with a knife and captured tiny bits of metal along with the ground glass. Later they would discover that the metal was identical with the slivers found during the autopsy.

After carefully harvesting the windshield, they examined every other likely inch of the automobile - tires, fenders, uphostery, dashboard, floor. On the back seat and on the rug they discovered dried blood and brain tissue, which they examined for metal fragments. They also found fragments of metal - more pieces of the puzzle - on the floor. Two of them were fairly large. Maybe large enough! Frazier was encouraged. It was tedious and exacting work, but every little piece in place clarified the picture."

[Deke DeLoach, "Hoover's FBI," pp. 137-138]

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In fact, it is possible to make an even better argument by demonstrating that the lack of damage to the windshield by a supposed crackpot with a poorly-aligned rifle gives clear indication of a conspiracy, because killing one person and nearly killing another without substantially damaging an 8K limo could only have been done by sharpshooters...

Could Oswald have fired from the sixth floor corner window and put one through the windshield without, at that angle, also drilling the hood of the limo?

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Robert Morrow said, "

FBI leader Deke DeLoach describes the crack in the windshield of JFK's limo

I talked with FBI SA Robert Frazier who was the head of the group that performed the forensic exam of the limo in the WHG about the DeLoach book and he seemed to consider it as much creative writing as fact...

There was damage to the windshield and Frazier and his crew photographed it in CE350. The limo had traveled 1600 miles and had been driven to Love Field and then from AAFB to the WHG, so the damage was more extensive in the WGH than it had been in Dallas (Altgens 1-7).

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In fact, it is possible to make an even better argument by demonstrating that the lack of damage to the windshield by a supposed crackpot with a poorly-aligned rifle gives clear indication of a conspiracy, because killing one person and nearly killing another without substantially damaging an 8K limo could only have been done by sharpshooters...

Could Oswald have fired from the sixth floor corner window and put one through the windshield without, at that angle, also drilling the hood of the limo?

I don't think so. I also think a shot of that nature might have blown out the windshield.

Ironically, the SN shooter could have taken a shot as the limo was coming down Houston before turning onto Elm. That might have damaged the limo too, however.

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Good Day.... With all due respect to Our researcher Doug Weldon (may his soul always R.I.P.), there was no bullet hole in the presidential limousine's front windshield.

The following scaled diagram (thank you + hat tip to Jerry Organ) of the limo details for you my determined facing directions of President Kennedy and Governor Connally in the Zapruder film frame #206 instant. (Connally's posture and facing direction does not change while he is behind the "Stemmons" sign for only the 1-second) ....If you have developed a different head location and/or head facing direction for either man for Z-206 or any Zapruder frame, and/or or a different windshield defect location, as related to when your theory has JFK's neck-front wound being caused, please also provide your diagram for everyone.

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As simply and clearly seen when utilizing an accurate diagram of the limousine, and, accurately locating the windshield's inside-surface-only-damage (the location for that damage is documented in the Ike Altgens photo #6, some Parkland Hospital photos, and also clearly located in the FBI's 11-23-63 early-morning White House garage photos), along with correctly sizing and placing their heads locations and their facing directions for President Kennedy and Connally at Z-206, any type of a bullet theoretically (or, personal-antiquated-theory "wishfully") fired from JFK's front-left that, first, passed-through the windshield, then (and while still hot), emerged after the windshield in 'magically'-un-mutilated condition to, then, cause what Dr. Perry detailed to Dr. Humes as a very small, "3 to 5mm" (recorded by Humes), circular wound....

---->>>> that pet-theory of a theoretically un-mutilated bullet "thought" of by a few researchers, would have had to, first, absolutely, been mandated to hit Connally in either his head or neck, before hitting JFK.

---->>>> and Connally, of course, was never struck in his head or neck with a bullet.... Additionally, when I interviewed Bill and Gayle Newman (the 2 closest, standing, adult witnesses to when JFK's head first exploded), both detailed for me that they clearly saw that before Connally had ever reached his closest point to them (approximately Z-296), enough time had already occurred after Connally's wounding that blood had already, noticeably, pooled onto his shirt's chest front, and, they could clearly see his already-pooled blood.

Additionally, fairly recent captured photos of the saved, still-crated limo windshield clearly show us that the cracks that radiated away from the inside-surface-only damage in the windshield, all, match-up with photos captured within about 12 hours of the Dealey Plaza volleys of shots.

As Pamela and others have also very logically stated, numerous, inevitable, vibrations that went into the windshield caused from jostling during the moving-driving-flying of the limo and/or the windshield (most likely incurring jostling-around vibrations that were between slight to very heavy in force), temperature swings, barometric pressure swings, and, at some time(s) someone(s) may have also lowered the windshield's storage crate much to hard onto a floor and/or actually dropped the windshield's crate, and, etc.... These possibilities/probabilities have all individually and/or combined during 50 years to cause the matching radiated cracks to change slightly, but, those cracks, still, do match-together very well. (one of the better reports provided for us, "Eternal Return: A Hole Through the Windshield?," that details the windshield's defect is provided by researchers Barb Junkkarinen, Jerry Logan, and Josiah Thompson. This report also focuses details for comparing clear 1963 photos, to the recent clear photos of the defect and its radiated cracks)

.... Exploring details further for key considerations.... At that Z-206 instant for the above limo diagram, we can see in the Zapruder film and additional (known) documented photos that President Kennedy is snapping/has rapidly snapped his head a measurable 87 to 90-degrees within the previous, scant, 0.16 micro-second from Z-203 to 206.

This was a JFK head snap rotational speed rate that we can measure precisely at an ultrafast 531 to 549-degrees-per-second. ....You can, very simply, personally snap (while filming) your head 90-degrees in one-sixth of a second to obtain a dose-of-reality sense for yourself for the sheer speed of JFK's extremely rapid head snap (that some animated-CAD-fabricator's also decided to choose to ((deliberately?!!)), inaccurately, not even re-create to show us in their C.A.D.-fabrication's).

I am still positively convinced by the convergence of many, many very key factors (some of them detailed OTTOMH in the following) that President Kennedy was first bullet-impacted during the micro-second prior to Z-203.

The ultrafast, 531 to 549 degrees-per-second head snap rate that JFK exhibited, combined with our knowledge from the documented many, key, close witnesses and the documented many, key, close weapons-experienced witnesses cumulative statements that have detailed for us that President Kennedy had started to smile broader (also confirmed as seen in the Z-film by approximately Z-165 to 167)....

.... and then....

.... JFK, first, started his Z-171-beginning right hand wave (witnessed and stated by many persons)....

.... and it was distinctly, definitely after that same JFK hand wave had already began that....

.... then....

.... there was fired a "shot" (albeit, an audible muzzle blast or a mechanically-suppressed-fired "silenced" bullet bow shock N-wave that these many documented witnesses remembered hearing (or could hear)).

Hugh Betzner stated, unequivocally, that he snapped his third photo and then he started to wind his film inside his camera, and it was after his photo and after he had initially began to wind his camera film that a "shot" was fired that he remembered hearing (or could hear).... Mr. Betzner's pre-gunfire-snapped photo corresponds exactly with Z-186.

As documented in the Z-film, the close witness Rosemary Willis begins slowing her trot in the early Z-190's.... Rosemary has stated, unequivocally, that she started to slow her trot in response to and just after the first "shot" that she remembered hearing (or could hear)

Following JFK at a close approximate 20' to 25' the weapons-experienced Secret Service Agent George Hickey stated, unequivocally, that he had, first, been looking leftward immediately prior to his hearing (or, being able to hear) his first-heard/first-remembered "shot"....

.... then....

.... when Hickey remembered hearing (or could hear) the first "shot" (or, the first shot he could hear), Hickey stated that he, then, immediately turned his head frontward very rapidly, towards the President..... As clearly seen in and documented by the Z-film, and exactly as he also stated, Hickey rapidly turns his head frontward starting at Z-195 to 196 (when we allow 0.25-second, minimum, (four to five Z-frames) for Hickey's refractory neurological-interpret-then-physical-response starting time, it clearly determines for us, to a certainty, that the first audible blast or bullet bow shockwave that Hickey heard (or could hear) happened, at the latest, at Z-190 to 191.... With allowing a mandated one to two Z-frames for bullet flight time, depending on the firing origin location, that "shot" blast or shockwave that Hickey heard was triggered, at the latest, at precisely Z-188 to 190)

Weapons-experienced WWII military veteran Phillip Willis unequivocally stated that his already-raised-camera-to-his-face-captured fifth photo was snapped directly because the first "shot" that he remembered hearing (or could hear) that was fired immediately prior to his fifth photo had startled him so much, that, it caused him to then involuntarily press his camera shutter button earlier than he wanted.... Mr. WILLIS's post-gunfire , involuntarily-snapped photo corresponds to Z-202....

.... Extremely interestingly is that, also, at Z-150 to 151, the approximate time of the current-revision of the warrenatti-apologists first audible, supposed, "lone-nut" shot (when factoring JFK's quick response, rapid head turn 0.25-second later starting at Z-155 in response to that bullet completely missing him) the warrenatti claims that Z-150 to 151 shot was fired directly into the branches and leaves foliage in the Posnerian-"lone-nut"-theory "'magic'-limbed-ricochet-tree" (tree branches and foliage that any assassin, during his plaza pre-screening viewing, most likely would have surely been well aware of).... Additionally, at Z-150, President Kennedy (moving at 12 MPH) was still at an Elm Street pinpointed location (and at that same instant a, supposed, "lone-nut" rifle-aiming point) that was over 15' before JFK first passed under the branches of that same tree at Z-166 = over 15' and almost 1-second before JFK went out of the warrenatti-apologists, supposed, "lone-nut" targeting view....

.... and....

.... Very importantly, that same Z-150 instant when a shot was supposedly fired that JFK rapidly turned his head in response to at Z-155 was also a measurable, non-startlement, nearly 3 seconds before Phil Willis's shot-startle-caused involuntary-snapped photo.... and.... at Z-150, Mr. Willis, very clearly, has positioned his hands ---and his camera--- still lowered and far downward, well away from his face....

.... when we allow 0.25-second, minimum, for Willis's refractory neurological-interpret-then-physical-response starting time, it clearly determines for us, to a certainty, that Mr. Willis remembered hearing (or could hear) his first "shot" blast or shockwave, at the latest, at Z-197.... With allowing the additional, mandated, one to two Z-frames for bullet flight time, depending on the assassin's firing origin location, that "shot" blast or shockwave that caused Mr. Willis's photo was triggered at the latest at Z-195 to 196....

Additionally, a very substantial and significant, measurable % of the very key, close witnesses and close weapons-experienced witnesses that could see JFK and his quick reactions during the volley's of shots also stated that JFK did react to this first-heard "shot" blast or shockwave with his dramatically, suddenly quick reactions that clearly proved that he was obviously simultaneously impacted with that same first-heard "shot."

To the warrenatti-apologists obvious living-in-denial chagrin's (exactly like the still-unknown badge-flashing "agent" that DPD Joe Smith encountered on the grassy knoll when Smith also smelled gun smoke), and, to the warrenatti-apologists transparent-anxieties.... Extremely important are the facts that President Kennedy's initial Z-190's-starting, first reactions to his being bullet impacted with that first-heard "shot" blast or shockwave, happened when (as measured by the warrenatti-investigators, themselves) while JFK was still hidden from Z-166 to Z-208 under the branches and thicket of foliage leaves of the Posnerian-"lone-nut"-theory "'magic'-limbed-ricochet-tree" that hid JFK out of the view and targeting of the rifle-armed, multiple-persons-witnessed, additional assassin that was located in the warrenatti-apologists, supposed, "lone-nut" "snipers lair," and, that additional assassin was witnessed firing, at least, one downward-aimed shot during the attack volley's of shots.

Best Regards in Research

+++Don

Donald Roberdeau

United States Navy

U.S.S. John F. Kennedy, CV-67, plank walker

Sooner, or later, The Truth emerges Clearly

For your key considerations and independent determinations....

Homepage: President KENNEDY "Men of Courage" speech, and Assassination Evidence, Witnesses, Suspects + Outstanding Researchers Discoveries and Considerations.... http://droberdeau.bl...ination_09.html

The Dealey Plaza Map Detailing 11-22-63 Victims precise locations, Witnesses, Films & Photos, Evidence, Suspected bullet trajectories, Important information & Considerations, in One Convenient Resource.... http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/3966/dppluschartsupdated1111.gif

(new info, 2012 updated map)

Visual Report: The First Bullet Impact Into President Kennedy: while JFK was Still Hidden Under the "Magic-limbed-ricochet-tree".... http://img504.images...k1102308ms8.gif

Visual Report: Reality versus C.A.D. : the Real World, versus, Garbage-in, Garbage-out....http://img248.images...ealityvscad.gif

Discovery: "Very Close JFK Assassination Witness ROSEMARY WILLIS

Zapruder Film Documented 2nd Headsnap: West, Ultrafast, and

Directly Towards the Grassy Knoll"....

http://educationforu...?showtopic=2394

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