Pamela Brown Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 The Iran situation is similar to the Israeli situation that John Kennedy faced in the 1960's. John Kennedy was forcing inspections of Israels nuclear plant at Dimona to ensure it was devoted entirely to peaceful purposes. However, this situation is different, because now, the Israelis need to stop Iran's nuclear program. Ironic, isn't it? I have been supportive of, and in contact with, Mordechai Venunu since about 2004. His experience and treatment by the Israeli government is quite telling, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamela Brown Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 (edited) Here we go. Bibi Netanyahu, with whom Pres. Obama has been unsuccessful in bonding, is trying to upstage the President and dictate US foreign policy toward Iran: http://edition.cnn.c....html?hpt=hp_t3 Yet again... http://www.nti.rsvp1.com/gsn/article/netanyahu-place-red-line-iran/?mgh=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nti.org&mgf=1 Watch for this spin to pop up in Conservative talk... The fact is that Pres. Obama has been balanced in his approach to Israel and its neighbors, including the Palestinians. He is following in the Democratic lead initiated by JFK and followed by Jimmy Carter. Edited September 17, 2012 by Pamela Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Rago Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Mordechai Vanunu (Hebrew: מרדכי ואנונו; born 14 October 1954) is a former Israeli nuclear technician who, citing his opposition to weapons of mass destruction, revealed details of Israel's nuclear weapons program to the British press in 1986.[2][3] He was subsequently lured to Italy by a Mossad agent, where he was drugged and abducted by Israeli intelligence agents.[2] He was transported to Israel and ultimately convicted in a trial that was held behind closed doors.[2] Vanunu was born in Marrakech, Morocco, to a Sephardi Jewish family; his parents were Orthodox Jews, and his father was a rabbi. In 1963, Vanunu's family emigrated to Israel under the Law of Return. Vanunu was nine years old at the time, and had four brothers and sisters. His parents had six more children in Israel. The family settled in Beersheba, where Vanunu studied in an Ultra-Orthodox elementary school, and attended but did not finish a Bnei Akiva yeshiva high school.[13][14] Vanunu was conscripted into the Israel Defense Forces in 1971, where he served as a sapper in the Combat Engineering Corps with the rank of First Sergeant. Vanunu was stationed on the Golan Heights, and saw action during the 1973 Yom Kippur War. Vanunu was honorably discharged in 1974, and began studying physics at Tel Aviv University. After failing two exams at the end of his first year, he left the university.[15] On 5 October, the Sunday Times published the information it had revealed, and estimated that Israel had produced more than 100 nuclear warheads.[29] In July 2004 Vanunu claimed in the London-based Al-Hayat newspaper that the State of Israel was complicit in the assassination of John F. Kennedy. He claimed there were "near-certain indications" that Kennedy was assassinated in response to "pressure he exerted on Israel’s then head of government, David Ben-Gurion, to shed light on Dimona’s nuclear reactor".[30] [31][32] [33] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordechai_Vanunu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamela Brown Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Mordechai Vanunu (Hebrew: מרדכי ואנונו; born 14 October 1954) is a former Israeli nuclear technician who, citing his opposition to weapons of mass destruction, revealed details of Israel's nuclear weapons program to the British press in 1986.[2][3] He was subsequently lured to Italy by a Mossad agent, where he was drugged and abducted by Israeli intelligence agents.[2] He was transported to Israel and ultimately convicted in a trial that was held behind closed doors.[2] Vanunu was born in Marrakech, Morocco, to a Sephardi Jewish family; his parents were Orthodox Jews, and his father was a rabbi. In 1963, Vanunu's family emigrated to Israel under the Law of Return. Vanunu was nine years old at the time, and had four brothers and sisters. His parents had six more children in Israel. The family settled in Beersheba, where Vanunu studied in an Ultra-Orthodox elementary school, and attended but did not finish a Bnei Akivayeshiva high school.[13][14] Vanunu was conscripted into the Israel Defense Forces in 1971, where he served as a sapper in the Combat Engineering Corps with the rank of First Sergeant. Vanunu was stationed on the Golan Heights, and saw action during the 1973 Yom Kippur War. Vanunu was honorably discharged in 1974, and began studying physics at Tel Aviv University. After failing two exams at the end of his first year, he left the university.[15] On 5 October, the Sunday Times published the information it had revealed, and estimated that Israel had produced more than 100 nuclear warheads.[29] In July 2004 Vanunu claimed in the London-based Al-Hayat newspaper that the State of Israel was complicit in the assassination of John F. Kennedy. He claimed there were "near-certain indications" that Kennedy was assassinated in response to "pressure he exerted on Israel’s then head of government, David Ben-Gurion, to shed light on Dimona’s nuclear reactor".[30] [31][32] [33] http://en.wikipedia....ordechai_Vanunu Vanunu's position on the assassination of JFK is interesting, as is his perspective. I had hoped to be able to talk with him about the JFK assassination, as he has relatives in St. Paul. He was supposed to be released in 2003. However, he has not been able to leave Israel, despite the ongoing requests to the govt by me and a host of others who are concerned for his welfare. He is not supposed to speak out, but he has just the same -- and he consistently points to issues involving Israel in the assassination of JFK. This is his own opinion, but since he worked at Dimona, his word carries some weight imo. JFK insisted on a balanced approach to Israel and the Palestinians. He did his best to assure that there were inspections at Dimona. This raised a big red flag with the Israeli's who, perhaps rightfully, felt that they must arm themselves secretly with nuclear weapons because they were surrounded by Arab neighbors who wanted to wipe them off the map. To make matters even worse, JFK was the son of an ardent Hitler appeaser whom FDR had to call back to DC from the Court of St. James in disgrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 (edited) An eye opening time, the latter half of July, 1999. I don't believe Heymann's claim of being an actual agent of Mossad. I don't accept the official government claims, or Heymann's "notes" about JFK, Jr. and the events related to the disappearance of JFK, Jr.'s Piper Saratoga. I think Lisa pulled her punches in her related CTKA piece. I think this thread is as good a place as any for this curious collection and I hope more is not read into it. [...] Wow that clocked in at over 3200 words. Others and I have told in the past but many of your posts seem like a whole bunch of data in search of a point, what exactly was your point? "Tommy can you hear me?....Ooh, Tommy, Tommy, Tommy, Tommy" It's a simple question Tom, how come you have time to churn out a 3200+ word post but can't dedicate a few words to spelling out your point? Edited September 18, 2012 by Len Colby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Wengler Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 Breaking the Taboo on Israel's Spying Efforts on the United States http://www.alternet.org/story/130891/breaking_the_taboo_on_israel%27s_spying_efforts_on_the_united_states/ They also knew that they were attacking an American ship the Liberty http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident#Ongoing_controversy_and_unresolved_questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Breaking the Taboo on Israel's Spying Efforts on the United States http://www.alternet...._united_states/ Interesting claims but the author provided scant documentation. They also knew that they were attacking an American ship the Libertyhttp://en.wikipedia....olved_questions Debatable, the link does not support your claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Wengler Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Breaking the Taboo on Israel's Spying Efforts on the United States http://www.alternet...._united_states/ Interesting claims but the author provided scant documentation. They also knew that they were attacking an American ship the Libertyhttp://en.wikipedia....olved_questions Debatable, the link does not support your claim. Lee some of the saying that Israel knew that the liberty was an American ship came from the personal abroad the ship at the time of the attack i will take their word anytime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Lee some of the saying that Israel knew that the liberty was an American ship came from the personal abroad the ship at the time of the attack i will take their word anytime Mack, Was the ship equipped with mind reading equipment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Wengler Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Lee some of the saying that Israel knew that the liberty was an American ship came from the personal abroad the ship at the time of the attack i will take their word anytime Mack, Was the ship equipped with mind reading equipment? The ship was easily identified as an American ship which was flying a large American flag. James Bamford came out with Body of Secrets, his latest book about the National Security Agency. In a stunning revelation, Bamford writes that unknown to Israel, a US Navy EC-121 intelligence aircraft was flying high overhead the 'Liberty,' electronically recorded the attack. The US aircraft crew provides evidence that the Israeli pilots knew full well that they were attacking a US Navy ship flying the American flag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamela Brown Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 (edited) (For those who know the history of Israel and the Bomb, the irony is staggering...PB) . Iran: We Lie to International Inspectors on Our Nuke Program by David Lev Aretz Sheva 9.21.12 Western countries have long suspected Iran of misleading international inspectors over the extent of its nuclear program – and now a top Iranian official has admitted as much. In an interview with the London-based Arabic Al-Hayat daily, Fereydoun Abbasi, head of Iran's Atomic Energy Agency, said that Tehran had on occasion “misled” International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) inspectors on a number of issues. “At times we submitted false information (to inspectors) in order to defend the nuclear facilities and our achievements, “Abbasi told the paper.” “We had no choice but to mislead the IAEA and other spies.” Abbasi also described the practical tactics of how Iran misleads the West. “Sometimes we pretend to have a weakness we really do not have,” to throw inspectors off the track; if Iran is not capable of certain more basic things, the thinking is that they could not be capable of more advanced activities. “And sometimes we pretend to have a strength that we do not have. Afterwards, the effect of these tactics is evident when we have discussions with the IAEA,” Abbasi said. Abassi, who is also a vice-president of Iran, said that the regime felt it had no choice but to act deviously. “It is unacceptable that the IAEA would consider us as a guilty party that has to prove its innocence. There are certain parties that accuse us of all sorts of things, and the IAEA tries to prove these accusations. It is similar to what happened to Saddam Hussein of Iraq.” Hussein was accused of amassing weapons of mass destruction by the U.S., but to date no such weapons have been found. Abbasi added that Iran is being targeted by spy and security agencies around the world. “For seven years we have been observing British Mi6 agents spying on us, and gathering information on individuals who were eventually killed by Zionist agents.” Abbasi was referring to Iranian nuclear scientists who have been killed in automobile accidents or other incidents. Iran has accused Israel and Britain of being behind the killings, charges both countries deny. Abbasi, who was speaking during a meeting of the IAEA, said that he did not believe the U.S. or Israel would attack Iran. However, he said that he expected international pressure to remain high, or even grow, with the IAEA bouncing the Iranian nuclear issue back to the UN Security Council for further action. Edited September 22, 2012 by Pamela Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamela Brown Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Lee some of the saying that Israel knew that the liberty was an American ship came from the personal abroad the ship at the time of the attack i will take their word anytime Mack, Was the ship equipped with mind reading equipment? The ship was easily identified as an American ship which was flying a large American flag. James Bamford came out with Body of Secrets, his latest book about the National Security Agency. In a stunning revelation, Bamford writes that unknown to Israel, a US Navy EC-121 intelligence aircraft was flying high overhead the 'Liberty,' electronically recorded the attack. The US aircraft crew provides evidence that the Israeli pilots knew full well that they were attacking a US Navy ship flying the American flag. The case of the USS Liberty should be acknowledged as the betrayal by Israel that it really represents. There is no other explanation imo and the myriad excuses given don't hold water. But why did LBJ enable this enigma to continue when he must have had the facts close to the time when it occurred? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Lee some of the saying that Israel knew that the liberty was an American ship came from the personal abroad the ship at the time of the attack i will take their word anytime Mack, Was the ship equipped with mind reading equipment? The ship was easily identified as an American ship which was flying a large American flag. James Bamford came out with Body of Secrets, his latest book about the National Security Agency. In a stunning revelation, Bamford writes that unknown to Israel, a US Navy EC-121 intelligence aircraft was flying high overhead the 'Liberty,' electronically recorded the attack. The US aircraft crew provides evidence that the Israeli pilots knew full well that they were attacking a US Navy ship flying the American flag. The case of the USS Liberty should be acknowledged as the betrayal by Israel that it really represents. There is no other explanation imo and the myriad excuses given don't hold water. But why did LBJ enable this enigma to continue when he must have had the facts close to the time when it occurred? I already participated in a 10 page thread about the incident. I'm not into starting new discussion on the topic from scratch but if either of you read through the old thread and want to continue the discussion there I'll reply. http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=9846 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Rago Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 (edited) Heavy Water http://books.google....epage&q&f=false The French give it a second thought....and Allen Dulles is informed http://books.google....epage&q&f=false The French, on the other hand, were no longer so sure that they wanted Israel to join the nuclear club, notifying the Israeli ambassador in May 1960 that France had decided to end its nuclear relationship with Israel. However a distinction was made between government-to-government ties and commercial interests. French companies were allowed to continue working on the Dimona reactor and did so until it was completed in 1963 or 1964, at which point, with blueprints acquired from the Saint-Gobain enterprise, the Israelis were working on the reactors fuel reprocessing plant. The continuing French "private" support for the Israeli nuclear weapons program had not gone unobserved: “In late October and early November [1960] the United Kingdom informed the United States that it believed a reactor was under construction near Beer Sheba. On 8 November British intelligence provided CIA/PIC with ground photography of the site. The next day, based on a hurried analysis of the photography, a preliminary assessment was made in the CIA--'the site was probably a reactor complex'. On December 2, Allen Dulles informed the National Security Council that Israel was building a nuclear complex in the Negev, probably including a reactor capable of producing weapons-grade plutonium. This was made public on December 18 when the chairman of the AEC, John McCone, announced it on the television program Meet the Press. The next day the New York Times carried the story on its front page. Edited September 27, 2012 by Mike Rago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamela Brown Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 More irony Israel v Iran. http://edition.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_c1#/video/world/2012/09/26/sidner-mideast-nuclear-debate.cnn If Israel has no nuclear weapons, why not let Vanunu leave? What can he possibly know or say that could cause them any trouble? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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