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An eye opening time, the latter half of July, 1999. I don't believe Heymann's claim of being an actual agent of Mossad. I don't accept the official government claims, or Heymann's "notes" about JFK, Jr. and the events related to the disappearance of JFK, Jr.'s Piper Saratoga. I think Lisa pulled her punches in her related CTKA piece. I think this thread is as good a place as any for this curious collection and I hope more is not read into it.

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Wow that clocked in at over 3200 words. Others and I have told in the past but many of your posts seem like a whole bunch of data in search of a point, what exactly was your point?

"Tommy can you hear me?....Ooh, Tommy, Tommy, Tommy, Tommy"

It's a simple question Tom, how come you have time to churn out a 3200+ word post but can't dedicate a few words to spelling out your point?

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As much as this thread does not reflect my view on the assassination, regarding the who, what, when, where and why. There has been something irritating the s_ _ _ out of me regarding sloppy research regarding this area, and for those who are familiar with concise research as opposed to the former, you realize how damaging it can be. It is claimed by certain websites and even researchers, that the late Yitzhak Rabin was "in Dallas" the day John F Kennedy was assassinated.

There is a source for this allegation, and it is my view that the pertinent passages in her book have been skewed to create that impression on the internet, at least. I am including the entire passage as it was written, but I will say, it does present some interesting lines of thought. I have also included another "factoid," which, unlike the Rabin issue has to do with organized crime and Meyer Lansky's family.

Rabin: Our Life, His Legacy - Lea Rabin

Chapter 6 Sabra Statesman

page 119

Our first joint visit to the United States (Yitzhak had been there before) took place in November 1963, just before Yitzhak had been appointed chief of staff for the IDF. In preparation for that appointment, Yitzhak embarked on a high-level orientation trip to America. I can appreciate now how momentous it was to have visited the United States at that time. We went to New York and Washington and Yitzhak traveled to several other cities, mainly military centers and installations— all so exciting and awesome and the source of many important new ideas. I remember Yitzhak making an offhand comment to me on our way home to Israel “You know, when I finish my term as chief of staff, I’ll be ready to replace Abe Harman.” Harman was Israel’s Ambassador in Washington at the time. Yitzhak’s premonition later materialized. Our 1963 trip to the United States lasted 3 weeks. I was astonished at the size and the excitement of New York. This was a fast-moving lifestyle unlike anything I had known in Europe or Israel. Dalia and Yuval along with a number of officers, met us at Lod Airport in Tel Aviv upon our return. We were told that President Kennedy had been shot , his condition was as yet unclear. We had never met the Kennedy’s but we could sense how the promise of John Kennedy’s future had stirred American’s and how devastating it would be if something serious had happened to him. Just as we walked in the door of our home, I picked up the phone to hear shocking news: John F. Kennedy was dead. To have just returned from the United States and for Yitzhak to have been in Dallas just hours before — albeit as mere coincidence; Fort Bliss was a stop on his military briefing tour— was disorienting. Yitzhak was about to become chief of staff and had just completed an intensive study of state-of-the-art defense and security practices from the most powerful nation in the world and suddenly we learned that country’s chief-executive was slain by a lone-gunman.......

Robert: Yitzhak Rabin, in his memoirs, stated his term as IDF Chief of Staff began on January 1,1964

see page 61, The Rabin Memoirs: Yizhak Rabin

LANSKY, MEYER -----

Sources: Life Magazines, 9/1/67 and 9/8/67; Dallas Morning News, Sun Jan 16, 1983

Mary's Comments: Financial "brain" of Mafia; died Sat, Jan 15, 1983. DOB: 7/4/01; POB: Soviet Union. Survived by

second wife, Thelma, and two sons by first marriage.

Little Man Meyer Lansky and The Gangster Life - Robert Lacey

pps 277-278

Chapter 15 - This Little Man What Could He Do To You

Hostility to their stepmother was one of the few things that Meyer Lansky’s three different, and increasingly separate, adult children {Buddy, Paul, & Sandra} had in common.

Paul’s wife was Edna.

“Paul and Edna Lansky were growing apart and among the several reasons for their disenchantment was the fact that Edna had persuaded Paul to give up his career in the military.

Edna was tired of moving their family around. In the early 1960’s she had had to shuttle her home and baby from Ann Arbor, Michigan to Boston, down to Florida for a few months, back to Washington — seven moves in eight years. It was in the course of all this traveling that she had had her miscarriage. 94 In 1962, Paul went to Vietnam for a year, leaving his wife and son at home. He was one of the first of the American “advisers” sent to Saigon by the Kennedy administartion, and when his tour was over, Paul bowed to Edna’s wish not to sign on for another term. He came back to civilian life in Washington State, working first for a timber comapny and then for Boeing, as one of the engineers hired for the Apollo space program.”

For Further research

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/jfktoc.html

Last Thoughts: I hope no one suspects that I am subtly trying to promote the idea that Israel was behind the JFK Assassination, because, I do not believe they were, but I do want to be very clear on one item. Although I personally do not believe Dimona was the causus belli for the assassination, or that Israel as a nation was complicit, that does not mean, that every aspect of this area has been dissected and analyzed backwards and forwards. For myself, I would like to have seen a writer of the caliber of Peter Dale Scott or someone of that stature take on the topic M.C. Piper did; in other words, had done a credible job. And there are documents pertaining to Israel somewhere in the mass of unreleased documents, although I believe they are mostly State Department documents pertaining to US Arms Control and Israel in the Kennedy administration.

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As much as this thread does not reflect my view on the assassination, regarding the who, what, when, where and why. There has been something irritating the s_ _ _ out of me regarding sloppy research regarding this area, and for those who are familiar with concise research as opposed to the former, you realize how damaging it can be. It is claimed by certain websites and even researchers, that the late Yitzhak Rabin was "in Dallas" the day John F Kennedy was assassinated.

There is a source for this allegation, and it is my view that the pertinent passages in her book have been skewed to create that impression on the internet, at least. I am including the entire passage as it was written, but I will say, it does present some interesting lines of thought. I have also included another "factoid," which, unlike the Rabin issue has to do with organized crime and Meyer Lansky's family.

Rabin: Our Life, His Legacy - Lea Rabin

Chapter 6 Sabra Statesman

page 119

Our first joint visit to the United States (Yitzhak had been there before) took place in November 1963, just before Yitzhak had been appointed chief of staff for the IDF. In preparation for that appointment, Yitzhak embarked on a high-level orientation trip to America. I can appreciate now how momentous it was to have visited the United States at that time. We went to New York and Washington and Yitzhak traveled to several other cities, mainly military centers and installations— all so exciting and awesome and the source of many important new ideas. I remember Yitzhak making an offhand comment to me on our way home to Israel “You know, when I finish my term as chief of staff, I’ll be ready to replace Abe Harman.” Harman was Israel’s Ambassador in Washington at the time. Yitzhak’s premonition later materialized. Our 1963 trip to the United States lasted 3 weeks. I was astonished at the size and the excitement of New York. This was a fast-moving lifestyle unlike anything I had known in Europe or Israel. Dalia and Yuval along with a number of officers, met us at Lod Airport in Tel Aviv upon our return. We were told that President Kennedy had been shot , his condition was as yet unclear. We had never met the Kennedy’s but we could sense how the promise of John Kennedy’s future had stirred American’s and how devastating it would be if something serious had happened to him. Just as we walked in the door of our home, I picked up the phone to hear shocking news: John F. Kennedy was dead. To have just returned from the United States and for Yitzhak to have been in Dallas just hours before — albeit as mere coincidence; Fort Bliss was a stop on his military briefing tour— was disorienting. Yitzhak was about to become chief of staff and had just completed an intensive study of state-of-the-art defense and security practices from the most powerful nation in the world and suddenly we learned that country’s chief-executive was slain by a lone-gunman.......

Robert: Yitzhak Rabin, in his memoirs, stated his term as IDF Chief of Staff began on January 1,1964

see page 61, The Rabin Memoirs: Yizhak Rabin

I know of no researcher that claims that Yitzak Rabin was in Dallas the day of the assassination. There are some who point to the very quote you have provided to state that Yitzak Rabin was in Dallas "hours before" the assassination.

Fort Bliss is in El Paso, Texas

http://educationforu...=15#entry255549

Also, note the title of the book, Rabin , Our Life , His Legacy.

In a book, titled Our Life His Legacy she places her husband in Dallas within hours of the assassination. She does not say days, she says "hours".

I do not think we would have ever known he was in Dallas if it was not for that passage.

If you are an Israeli and knew of Kennedy's opposition to nuclear weapons for Israel how might you interpret this, in a book entitled Yitzak Rabin , Our Life His Legacy?

It is also sloppy research to completely ignore the Israeli nuclear issue and Kennedy's opposition to it, in fact I think it is worse research because it is no research at all.

Have you ever seen a picture of Israel's memorial to JFK? It looks like a sawed off tree trunk.

220px-Yad_Kennedy_May_2009.JPG

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Yad_Kennedy

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Clay Shaw’s “Centro Mondiale Commerciale” and its Israeli connections

 
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This is the English translation of an Italian article by Michele Metta. My thanks to Ward O. Wheeler for helping translating. Click here for the original

Warning: this article of mine is for me the most difficult. It will also be the most important. It is, first of all, my tribute to the birth centenary of John Fitzgerald Kennedy, and to the anniversary of his assassination. It will sometimes contain personal accents. This in no way means that it will lack of objectivity. Quite the contrary. Please, more than ever I beg to read it to the end. Well, let’s go.

I never ever doubted that one day I would have been narrating what I’m about to say. I was only looking for the right mean, and I think I found it: it’s L’Antidiplomatico and its director — my director — Alessandro Bianchi, that — you must know it — never censures a dot or a comma of what I write.

Because of the content of the previous chapters of my CMC investigation, I can easily imagine some of my readers becoming surprised, if not even dazed, at reading the title. In all of those previous chapters, in fact, I did each time show the presence, in Centro Mondiale Commerciale, of individuals with a clearest fascist connotation. Speaking of Israel suddenly, might seem a contradiction. I answer that — and I stress unfortunately — it is not. And, before going to the enormous revelation on CMC I am about to give you, I will explain why it’s not a contradiction thanks to a very concrete example. It is an example taken from another issue that I know very well: the History of Chile, a country that — in this case, it is not a stock phrase — everyone should visit at least once in their life. When Pinochet came to power there through a coup d’état supported by the US, a girl was kidnapped by the DINA, the regime’s torture organization. She was only 23, her name was Diana Frida Arón Svigilsky, and she was born from a Jewish family. She was amazingly beautiful. In describing her, the language of poetry rises to your mouth: the face sprinkled by the spring of a conference of freckles; the hair crossed by obsidian; the height soaring like the rush of a hymn; the gait with something of the aerial proceeding of dreams. And just like her father Elias, Diana was a journalist. A journalist on Allende’s side. That means, on the side of the legitimate President of Chile that Pinochet killed. Since Diana, because of her sensitivity so special that, among her friends, had given her the joking definition of Aliviol, the most famous Chilean brand of painkillers, immediately understood what her duty was: despite her profound economic prosperity, she instantly supported that socialist whose government priority was that the poor could stop being poor.

Therefore the DINA, on November 18, 1974, set up an ambush in which, in order to capture her, they even shot her. An ambush after which they led her forcibly to Villa Grimaldi, the main dictatorship detention center. A place where Diana, as witnesses later told, suffered the tortures of Miguel Krassnoff Martechenko, notorious tormentor. Tortures imparted despite that Diana was already copiously bleeding from the wounds received at the time of the seizure. Tortures imparted — please, pay attention — while mocking the religion of Diana; shouting at her a chilling infamous: “Not only a Jew, son of a bitch! No! You are even a communist!”. Tortures given despite Diana’s three and a half months of pregnancy. Tortures imparted until her heart ceased beating.

And all this, while Diana’s parents, begging for the pity of a release, had sent their own rabbi, with the idea, thus, of being able to indirectly obtain compassion from the Hebrew Kissinger, the US Secretary of State and hidden mind of the coup. But the conversation between the rabbi and Manuel Contreras, the head of the DINA, produced only the extreme insult of the latter, who, despite knowing, of course, the true fate of Diana, denying, lying, had exclaimed: “Oh, please, please, come on! These girls! These girls! They go around, looking for adventures, and we have even to listen to you pointing at us your finger!”

Her parents did not understand that those like Kissinger, whose power is outside of any democratic definition, got that so incredible power because they simply do not consider their own ethnicity at all. Because if he had considered it, Kissinger would never have been the right-hand man of the deeply anti-Semitic Richard Nixon. If he had considered it, he would not have been maneuvering conspiracies from the White House. Instead, he would have been, for example, a member of one of the many Jewish Associations in the world that demand justice and equity for the Palestinians. If he had considered it, he would have realized that supporting someone like Pinochet, a madman surrounding himself with real Nazis like the Italian Stefano Delle Chiaie, is tantamount to twice killing the millions of Jews who were victims of Hitler’s gas chambers.

In other words, Diana’s parents did not understand that someone like Kissinger is incapable of finding inside himself and others that empathetic denominator of commonsense so wonderfully synthesized by JFK during his well-known June 1963 speech where the 35th President explained the absolute need to reach peace in the world by saying: “For, in the final analysis, our most basic common link is that we all inhabit this small planet. We all breathe the same air. We all cherish our children’s future. And we are all mortal.”

That said, here it is the revelation: Gershon Peres sat inside CMC, from 1967 to 1970. This is huge, because we are talking about the brother of Shimon Peres, the Israeli President from 2007 to 2014. During Shimon Peres’ presidency, a white phosphorus attack against the Palestinians was perpetrated, killing hundreds of children.

But, on closer inspection, the CMC is impregnated everywhere with the presence of Israeli power. For example, its member Roberto Ascarelli was a prominent representative of the Roman Jewish community. Yet, just as with Kissinger, this status did not stop him, as he should have instead stopped, from being a fundamental pivot in the rise of Licio Gelli inside P2. To say it with Sergio Flamigni, someone who has dedicated his life to the study of this fascist lodge, it is thanks to Ascarelli that “Gelli’s past as a fascist and a member of the Repubblica Sociale Italiana that have blocked his affiliation until that moment, becomes now rather an element of guarantee for the anticommunist function that he will be called to do.” It is thanks to Ascarelli that some CMC Board of Directors meeting will be celebrated at his office in Piazza di Spagna 72/A, a place where, at the same time, P2 runs its first fundamental steps. Piazza di Spagna 72/A besides home of another secret lodge, Hod, headed by the very same Ascarelli. Hod described, by witnesses listened by the Italian Parliamentarian Commission on P2, as an antechamber, if not a real twin branch of P2. And in fact, before landing in P2, Gelli had been a Hod member. And again, just like Kissinger, his being Jewish had certainly not induced Ascarelli to find it absurd to add his name to that of Gutierez Spadafora, a fascist whose son was married with a daughter of Hjalmar Schacht, and one of Hitler’s strongest collaborators; or to add his name to that of Giuseppe Pièche, one of Mussolini’s strongest collaborators.

Also keep in mind that CMC member Dov Biegun, who worked for the British Intelligence during WWII, is connected to Israel. Biegun is the national secretary of the National Committee for Labor Israel. It’s an institution whose goal is to solder bonds between Israel and the US. It was fundamental in creating and strengthening the State of Israel, through such actions as the purchase of Israeli bonds. A notable role within it, was taken by conservative Unions radically oriented towards the expansion of the war in Vietnam: which was the opposite of what Kennedy was preparing to do if he had not been killed. JFK, in fact, had already arranged for the withdrawal of US troops from the Asian country. Not to mention the fact that Philip Agee, a former CIA agent, accused the NCLI of connivance with the Central Intelligence Agency. An accusation that fits very well with today’s NCLI relationship with Unions referred to as mongers of the attempted fascist coups d’état in Venezuela. Biegun, moreover, was part of the Jewish National Fund. The same JNF that, through dirty tricks, seizes land owned by Palestinian citizens and transfers them into Israeli hands.

Please consider that there were two other excellent reasons for which Israeli leaders saw Kennedy as smoke in their eyes. The first was the opposition of this US President to the Israeli nuclear arsenal. The second was that JFK was in favor of a fair policy towards the Arabs, as demonstrated by his support towards Mattei’s oil policies and towards the end of colonialism. Something which necessarily leads us to the CMC member Alfredo Crocco. Crocco had a brother, Luigi, who was recruited by William Donovan, the head of the OSS, the CIA’s forerunner. Luigi Crocco was a very long-standing friend and collaborator of the Jewish scientist Theodore von Kármán. The latter was the president of the AGARD, a special NATO structure whose aim was the direct coordination between scientists with the highest contributions to the Western war machine. The AGARD representative in Italy was Giuseppe Gabrielli, who is none other than the brother-in-law of Alfredo and Luigi Crocco. Theodore von Kármán was also among the fathers of the RAND Corporation: a fanatically anti-Communist think-tank, in osmosis with the Pentagon, responsible for the most senseless US escalations during the Cold War. But above all, Theodore von Kármán was president of the Department of Aeronautical Engineering at the Israel Institute of Technology in Haifa, which is the root of Israeli nuclear ballistic development.

Also, deeply tied to Israeli power is Louis Bloomfield, the founder of Permindex, the company from which the Italian CMC was born. Bloomfield decided, shortly before his death, to leave his papers to the Archives of Canada. It was where the researcher Maurice Phillips was able to find a letter, dated April 1, 1959, from Bloomfield to Abraham Friedman, a member of Israel Continental Oil. A letter in which Bloomfield refers to the desire to meet the famous Jewish banker Edmund Rothschild to discuss details about a CMC operation named Capocotta. An operation that was a mask devised by the CMC to buy off the holders of the Italian power. And, in fact, involved in Capocotta we find a right-wing General, Giovanni De Lorenzo, and an admiral, Giuseppe Pighini, who was at the top of the Mussolini’s Navy under fascism, and then at the top of NATO ComNavSouth, the Headquarter of NATO Naval Forces in Southern Europe. Another Italian Commission of Inquiry — that on Michele Sindona, a member of P2 and Mafia — shows us the secret face of Pighini: according to the testimony of Carlo Bordoni, a long and very close friend of Sindona, Pighini, during the 70s, received millions of dollars from Sindona to establish in Italy a far-right military dictatorship.

As I demonstrated in my immediately preceding two articles for this newspaper, it is the very same Sindona who was deeply connected to CMC. The same Sindona about whom Peter Tompkins writes in his Strategy of Tension, a book that is a sort of concentrate of Tompkins’ knowledge about the US abuses of power. Tompkins knows this kind of subject very well, since he had taken part in the activities of the OSS in Italy, so he really deserves a very special attention when he recalls that we can find the origins of Sindona’s fortunes in what happened during the Landing in Sicily, in 1943, of the Allied Forces. A landing behind which there is a shameful agreement with the Mafia. A pact Sindona was involved in, and in which a strong role was also had by the member of the OSS Max Corvo. Circumstances — is always Tompkins to point it out — by Corvo admitted in an interview in the 80s to the Italian magazine Il Mondo. Admission as clear as to induce Il Mondo to comment with this very eloquent phrase: “Thanks to the connection between Sicilian mafia, the Italo-American, and the American secret services that had been created 35 years earlier, at the time of the Allied landing in Sicily, the former financier [Sindona] had made alliances that explain the rise of a young man without a penny, to the top of world finance.” This means that Sindona had become an OSS trustee, and the head of the Italian section of the OSS was James Angleton. News that we must add to that kindly given to me, through his assistant Giulia Corradi, by the already mentioned Sergio Flamigni: once again during the Italian Liberation Campaign, Angleton recruited Licio Gelli.

Because of all the above, it then ceases to appear strange what the Italian historian Giuseppe Casarrubea discovered years ago: the commingling, in the shadow of Angleton, of fascism, mafia, and future citizens of Israel, in creating the Israeli army.

And it also ceases to appear strange the proposal of support Israel made to the Italian terrorist group Brigate Rosse. Proposals that would have resulted in concrete financial aid from the Mossad, the Israeli Intelligence, according to the testimony, on June 19, 2017, of Luigi Carli, former magistrate of Genoa, to the Italian Inquiry Commission on Moro assassination. Something to which add the words of Giovanni Galloni, a brave and honest man, former vice-president of the Italian Consiglio Superiore della Magistratura. In fact, as recorded by the journalist Saverio Occhiuto, in 2007 he said, “Then there is my sentence, something that I have always said without ever getting attention, on some confidences that Moro gave me a few months before being captured. He told me that he was worried because he believed that the US and the Israeli espionage had infiltrators in the Br [Brigate Rosse].”
 It is really impossible, at this point, to avoid remembering that documents exist demonstrating the infiltration into Brigate Rosse made by the P2 member Edgardo Sogno through those who, very subtly, he baptized Committees of Democratic Resistance. Committees the CMC member Corrado Bonfantini was part of. Bonfantini that, what a coincidence, was a very strong trustee of Sindona. As much as it is impossible to avoid remembering what said by Giacomo Lauro on January 22, 2010, during the trial for the fascist massacre, connected to the Strategy of Tension, made in 1974 in the Italian city of Brescia. Lauro, who is one of the most reliable former members of a branch of the Italian mafia named ’ndrangheta, during his dense testimony specified that he had managed to become very close to one of the most powerful members of P2 ever: Francesco Cosentino. That’s how Lauro was able to know that Cosentino was the true occult mind of the deviated P2 management of the seizure, and then execution, of Moro. Lauro added that, just in carrying out this role, Cosentino was constantly in touch with another Freemason: a doctor named Roberto Zamboni. Roberto Zamboni who, incidentally, is not only the protector of Franco Freda, the executor of the 1969 Piazza Fontana fascist massacre connected to the Italian Strategy of Tension, but also the doctor cited as Scientific Director of a so-called Press Information Agency under whose aegis a very peculiar document is issued: a document by the P2 member Aldo Semerari, and whose goal was to try to morally assassinate the very well-known Italian artist Pier Paolo Pasolini, as Pasolini himself repeatedly underlined. What does CMC have to do with it? It has to do with it because behind that document there was a lawyer, Giorgio Zeppieri, who was also a CMC member.

On that Zamboni’s and Semerari’s document there is also a telephone number and an address. When I revised them, I stumbled in a very special publisher: Giovanni Quattrucci, a Freemason at the head of a structure with masonic connotations. It’s Great Italy, and Francesco Pazienza had quite a lot to do with it. It’s the same Pazienza then condemned for another episode of the Italian Strategy of Tension: the Bologna massacre. And then perhaps we must also ask ourselves what was the true origin of both this massacre and that previously happened in San Benedetto Val di Sambro. Because about the latter — of which, coincidentally, Pasolini spoke, including in his posthumous Petrolio — it emerges that on that train exploded in 1974 because of a bomb placed on board, Aldo Moro was about to have a trip but was asked at the very last moment to get off to sign some important papers, the daughter of Moro in April 2004 revealed. Regarding the attack in Bologna, which took place at a short geographical distance from the other, someone said that it would have been necessary because that in San Benedetto was a message, and this message had not been understood; it was therefore indispensable to repeat it by a new explosion. From there, it has been speculated, even in the presence of very questionable evidence, that the act at the Bologna station was by Palestinians furious at the failure of the so-called Lodo Moro: a secret agreement, signed by Moro, and with the main clause to always turn a blind eye to Palestinian terrorism. In the light of what I have outlined above, I think it is more than reasonable to ask whether the terms of the question have not been reversed and, to say it very clear, if in this frightful affair there is instead an Israeli contribution, firmly stressing that no doubt exists that the executors are Mambro and Fioravanti.

I would like to conclude with a last personal note: anyone who wants to use what I wrote today to launch in their own voice claims like “Hitler was right”, or “Death to Israelis” and similar, did not understand what I have explained here and, more generally, does not understand anything of life, and is not my friend.
 On the contrary, I trust very much that this article may serve as a reflection for the many enlightened Jews who — to return to JFK — inhabit our little planet: to meditate, to ask themselves if they want their fate in the hands of a Kissinger or in those of a Diana Frida Arón Svigilsky. The question, all in all, is this one.

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On 6/17/2012 at 2:10 PM, Len Colby said:

This sounds sorta like Michael Collins Piper's crap except that Piper was coherent and at least presented "evidence" as thin as it was. This guy comes across as mentally ill, odd that Al-Jazeera would post it.

LBJ planned the 6-Day War who'd a thunk it?

PS I just noticed the site is NOT aljazeera.COM but rather aljazeeraH.INFO a crude imitation

Nice catch, Len!

Hmm...

Wonder if it traces back to Russia?

--  Tommy  :sun

 

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16 hours ago, Paz Marverde said:

But, on closer inspection, the CMC is impregnated everywhere with the presence of Israeli power. For example, its member Roberto Ascarelli was a prominent representative of the Roman Jewish community. Yet, just as with Kissinger, this status did not stop him, as he should have instead stopped, from being a fundamental pivot in the rise of Licio Gelli inside P2.

The presence of Angleton in all things Italian has been illuminating. I have recently re-read David Yallop's book and Gregoire Lucian's book on the murder of Pope John Paul I. Gladio and Gelli and P-2 are mixed with Sindona and Calvi and the Bank Ambrosiano. The "strategy of tension" that power structures use to intimidate the people, like the  Bologna bombings, and the kidnapping and murder of Aldo Moro under a false flag of the "Red Brigade" are examples.This is Angleton's type of activity. He also manned the Israeli desk, so all things Israeli/CIA have an Angleton angle. Big shot Shamir bragged that the murder of Swedish diplomat Count Bernadotte by Zionist terrorists was justified since "Jerusalem was worth one life." Count Bernadotte saved hundreds of Jewish lives and arranged the release of thousands of prisoners in 1945. He was sent to mediate the division of Palestine. According to this one time assassin and prime minister, if a city was "worth a life" what would a country be worth? Americans were unaware of JFK's opposition to the bomb by Israel. Ben-Gurion resigned in May of 1963 because he could not accept the terms required by JFK. Americans were unaware that their government was deceived by the Israeli government about the Dimona plant. With deception practiced and the theory that anyone who interferes with the planning of a "eretz Israel" or a nuclear armed Israel could be killed without remorse, why has this topic been tiptoed around?

Albino Luciano who was Pope for 33 days, was chosen by John XXIII as a bishop and by Paul VI as a Cardinal. He was committed to the alleviation of income disparity. He was a colleague of Moro who wished to bring the Communist party into the governing of Italy; he was briefed on the shenanigans with the Vatican Bank and Gelli and Calvi etc., and was determined to expose and eliminate the corruption around him. Like Paul VI, he was a proponent of 'Liberation Theology" in Central America -- a position fought by Henry Kissinger and eventually shown to be the reason for the Iran/Contra debacle. Like JFK, he was the first in his position to be born in the 20th century. These "new" voices for accommodation and peace were taken out by forces opposed to such. Angleton's ghost might be hovering over each tomb.

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10 minutes ago, Robert Harper said:

The presence of Angleton in all things Italian has been illuminating.

Robert, thank you very much for your comment. I agree with you and highly recommend you please watch this documentary, from which the role of Angleton in the assassination of JFK is absolutely evident as much as the fact that the people behind Dallas are the very same people behind the Italian Strategy of Tension

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Hells bells, JFK opposed Nuclear Arms for Israel?  Angleton later gave them the material to start their program.  Was Angleton head of the Israeli desk in 1963 as he was later?  If he was involved in assassinating the President using European sources might he have he gone through trusted friends rather than contacting them directly?  Remember he routed many Jews from Poland and Germany through the rat line in Italy to what became Israel. 

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On 25/2/2018 at 5:15 AM, Ron Bulman said:

Hells bells, JFK opposed Nuclear Arms for Israel?  Angleton later gave them the material to start their program.  Was Angleton head of the Israeli desk in 1963 as he was later?  If he was involved in assassinating the President using European sources might he have he gone through trusted friends rather than contacting them directly?  Remember he routed many Jews from Poland and Germany through the rat line in Italy to what became Israel. 

Ron, thank you for your kind comment

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On 2/24/2018 at 8:15 PM, Ron Bulman said:

Hells bells, JFK opposed Nuclear Arms for Israel?  Angleton later gave them the material to start their program.  Was Angleton head of the Israeli desk in 1963 as he was later?  If he was involved in assassinating the President using European sources might he have he gone through trusted friends rather than contacting them directly?  Remember he routed many Jews from Poland and Germany through the rat line in Italy to what became Israel. 

I would like to point out that had he gone to his old friends in Mossad they in turn might have outsourced this to a certain Nazi they had already used (rather than bring to justice) to assassinate nuclear scientists in Egypt, probably Nazis themselves by the way. 

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On 2/24/2018 at 10:15 PM, Ron Bulman said:

Hells bells, JFK opposed Nuclear Arms for Israel?  Angleton later gave them the material to start their program.  Was Angleton head of the Israeli desk in 1963 as he was later?  If he was involved in assassinating the President using European sources might he have he gone through trusted friends rather than contacting them directly?  Remember he routed many Jews from Poland and Germany through the rat line in Italy to what became Israel. 

Yes.  JFK insisted on inspections for Dimona.  I don't know that they were carried out during his lifetime.  LBJ changed the policy significantly so they could move forward.

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