Logical implications of nearly simultaneous heads shots

[Peter McGuire]

I think Umbrella Man was an innocent bystander. He has given sworn testimony before the HSCA. His name is Steven Witt.

http://history-matte..._Vol4_0217a.htm

Witt the Twit was manufactured after the fact.

No one but a fool , considering JFK WAS killed that moment, would think some man would be there with an umbrella as the POTUS drove by.

He ( and Radio Man ) as seen in the Zapruder film are obvious spotters and signal men.

Why are there always fools and conspirators peddling this nonsense?

You guys also do know that Cyril Wecht believes simultaneous shots front the front and behind. However, no bullets from that antique gun used to frame Mr. Lee Oswald every reached the president. Another gun was found and had been fired from behind. The gun found shortly after was shown in a film and is a fact. You can see policeman raising the gun.

Edited July 7, 2012 by Peter McGuire

[Mike Rago]

I also believe that the man you call "Radio Man" was also an innocent bystander but that is a subject for a different thread.

Edited July 7, 2012 by Mike Rago

[Peter McGuire]

I think Umbrella Man was an innocent bystander. He has given sworn testimony before the HSCA. His name is Steven Witt.

http://history-matte..._Vol4_0217a.htm

Witt the Twit was manufactured after the fact.

No one but a fool , considering JFK WAS killed that moment, would think some man would be there with an umbrella as the POTUS drove by.

He ( and Radio Man ) as seen in the Zapruder film are obvious spotters and signal men.

Why are there always fools and conspirators peddling this nonsense?

You guys also do know that Cyril Wecht believes simultaneous shots front the front and behind. However, no bullets from that antique gun used to frame Mr. Lee Oswald every reached the president. Another gun was found and had been fired from behind. The gun found shortly after was shown in a film and is a fact. You can see policeman raising the gun.

I also believe that the man you call "Radio Man" was also an innocent bystander but that is a subject for a different thread.

Then you are "double dumb."

And I believe it part of the same old tired balony. Nonsense. A dark skinned man with something in his hand then back pocket EXACTLY in the place where the POTUS was shot.

Dream on and tell your story walking.

[Thomas Graves]

I think Umbrella Man was an innocent bystander. He has given sworn testimony before the HSCA. His name is Steven Witt.

http://history-matte..._Vol4_0217a.htm

Witt the Twit was manufactured after the fact.

No one but a fool , considering JFK WAS killed that moment, would think some man would be there with an umbrella as the POTUS drove by.

He ( and Radio Man ) as seen in the Zapruder film are obvious spotters and signal men.

Why are there always fools and conspirators peddling this nonsense?

You guys also do know that Cyril Wecht believes simultaneous shots front the front and behind. However, no bullets from that antique gun used to frame Mr. Lee Oswald ever reached the president. Another gun was found and had been fired from behind. The gun found shortly after was shown in a film and is a fact. You can see policeman raising the gun.

I also believe that the man you call "Radio Man" was also an innocent bystander but that is a subject for a different thread.

Then you are "double dumb."

And I believe it part of the same old tired balony. Nonsense. A dark skinned man with something in his hand then back pocket EXACTLY in the place where the POTUS was shot.

Dream on and tell your story walking.

Peter,

FWIW, I agree with you on this, If it was Witt, he lied during his testimony when he said he couldn't see JFK because he was trying to get his umbrella open and it was blocking his view of the Prez! Also lied about his movements on the sidewalk/grassy knoll as the President was approaching...

--Tommy

Edited July 7, 2012 by Thomas Graves

[Malcolm Ward]

The actions of the so called,Radio Man and Umbrella Man after the fact seem strange.They don't look flustered or phased by what has just happened.People are running up the knoll and they calmly sit down to pass the time of day.Finally strolling off into the sunset.If they were not complicit then they had a bit to much weed to be that cool.

[Mike Rago]

JFK was not killed the moment he passed the Umbrella man and the Radio man.

The "Dark Skin Man"("RadioMan") did start to run up the knoll with the others but he walked with a limp and probably could not run.

The simultaneous shots occurred here.

Fast Forward to 32 seconds in this Bell Film and start watching.

At approximately 36 seconds you will see the "Dark Skin" man start to run up the Knoll

Edited July 7, 2012 by Mike Rago

[Thomas Graves]

JFK was not killed the moment he passed the Umbrella man and the Radio man.

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"Anna-one, anna a-two..."

--Tommy

Edited July 7, 2012 by Thomas Graves

[Mike Rago]

Animated gif created by researcher Gerda Dunckel showing the man known as "Dark Skin Man"("Radio Man" to some) walking back to his car after the assassination. He appears to be walking with a limp.

Edited July 7, 2012 by Mike Rago

[Thomas Graves]

Animated gif created by researcher Gerda Dunkel showing the man known as "Dark Skin Man"("Radio Man" to some) walking back to his car after the assassination. He appears to be walking with a limp.

This sequence must have been taken several minutes after the assassination, as there are so many people leaving the Grassy Knoll area already. The interesting thing is that this guy may have been filmed walking down the sidewalk in the general direction of the Triple Underpass a couple of minutes after the assassination, so if it's the same guy he must have doubled back, huh?

Interesting limp. Maybe he was a wounded anti-Castro "Bay of Pigs" veteran? Nah, he probably just sprained his ankle chasing after a suspect in the railway yard. (Just kidding)

--Tommy

Edit:

Could the guy limping across the grass be Celio Sergio Castro Alba, aka "Quarito" or "Wahito?" Celio Castro was a friend of Larry Howard's and both Hall and Howard told the FBI, at different times, that Castro was with them in Dallas in late September of 1963.

Gerry Patrick Hemming told A. J. Webberman that Celio Castro was 71 at the time but acted 40, was a stoned cold son-of-a-gun, and had a bad leg from being wounded during the Machado Revolution.

--Tommy

Edited April 5, 2014 by Thomas Graves

[Mike Rago]

That man("Dark Skin Man") is an innocent man. (You do see he is walking with a limp?)

The "Umbrella Man" is also an innocent man.

Edited July 7, 2012 by Mike Rago

[Thomas Graves]

That man("Dark Skin Man") is an innocent man. (You do see he is walking with a limp?)

The "Umbrella Man" is also an innocent man.

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A Few Questions for Josiah "Tink" Thompson:

Don't you think it "strange" that "Umbrella Man" was pumping his umbrella up and down as the shooting started?

Don't you think it "strange" that neither the "Umbrella Man" nor the "Dark Complected Man" came forward as witnesses right after the assassination, but simply walked away from the scene a couple of minutes after the shooting had stopped?

Don't you think it "strange" that "Dark Complected Man" raised his right arm, like a signal, almost vertically above his head but didn't wave at JFK and Jackie?

Don't you think it "strange" that while DCM and UM were sitting next to each other on the curb, DCM was photographed talking into a radio?

Don't you think it "strange" that DCM and UM casually departed in opposite directions, and that DCM doubled back, alone, several minutes later?

--Tommy

Edited July 9, 2012 by Thomas Graves

[Mike Rago]

A Few Questions for Josiah "Tink" Thompson:

Don't you think it "strange" that "Umbrella Man" was pumping his umbrella up and down as the shooting starte

If you read his sworn testimony to the HSCA he was fiddling with his umbrella trying to get it open at the time of the shots.

Where is the film that supposedly shows the Umbrella being pumped?

Don't you think it "strange" that neither the "Umbrella Man" nor the "Dark Complected Man" came forward as witnesses right after the assassination, but simply walked away from the scene a couple of minutes after the shooting had stopped?

Many people did not come forward as witnesses.

Don't you think it "strange" that "Dark Complected Man" raised his right arm, like a signal, almost vertically above his head but didn't wave at JFK and Jackie?

He was waving at the president.

Don't you think it "strange" that while DCM and UM were sitting next to each other on the curb, DCM was photographed talking into a radio?

There is no such photograph of DCM talking into a radio. There are photographs of him starting to run with the crowd to the top of the Knoll and walking with a limp while leaving the site.

Don't you think it "strange" that DCM and UM casually departed in opposite directions, and that DCM doubled back, alone, several minutes later?

You do not know which direction Witt departed. DCM did not double back. DCM walked to the stairs at the Knoll and started to follow the others who were running up the Knoll. The next time we see DCM , he , like lots of others, is heading home. If you read Witt's testimony you will find that Witt does not even recall looking in that man's direction.

--Tommy

I will answer these. Maybe Mr. Thompson will also respond... My responses are in red in the quoted text.

Zapruder frame 233 showing DCM waving at the president.

Edited July 8, 2012 by Mike Rago

[Thomas Graves]

Animated gif created by researcher Gerda Dunkel showing the man known as "Dark Skin Man"("Radio Man" to some) walking back to his car after the assassination. He appears to be walking with a limp.

This film must have been taken several minutes after the assassination went down, as there are so many people leaving the Grassy Knoll area already. The interesting thing is that this guy was filmed/photographed walking down the sidewalk (and the edge of the Grassy Knoll?) towards the Tripple Overpass just a couple of minutes after the shooting, so he must have doubled back, huh? Interesting. Wonder where he went in the meantime? Wonder where his car was "parked"? Maybe he's walking to a bus stop?

Add: Interesting limp. Maybe he was a wounded anti-Castro "Bay of Pigs" veteran? Nah, he probably just sprained his ankle chasing after a suspect in the railway yard.

--Tommy

Expanded and bumped

[Malcolm Ward]

A interesting piece on Umbrella Man and Radio Man here.

If you read my recent piece on the New York Times’ credulous video about the “Umbrella Man” and his curious behavior at the scene of the JFK assassination, you’re ready for what follows. If not, please take a few minutes and get up to speed, by clicking here.

The article has struck a nerve, and generated considerable interest. With that in mind, I’d like to offer some additional thoughts on the subject.

NEVILLE CHAMBERLAIN

As you’ll recall, the New York Times’ preferred explanation for why a man opened an umbrella on a sunny day, just as JFK’s limousine passed—and just as the bullets poured into the car— was an entirely benign one. Strange, but benign.

Recap: Fifteen years after the assassination, as the special House Select Committee on Assassinations was taking the first serious look at the death of JFK (and others), a man came forward to identify himself as the so-called “Umbrella Man” and to explain his bizarre behavior.

The man, Steven Louie Witt, said that, no, it was not someone signaling the shooters, and no, it had nothing at all to do with the assassination. Instead, he said, it was a message against appeasement of enemies. He hoped to signal his disapproval of what he considered JFK’s forbearance of America’s enemies.

How to signal that? Here’s where it gets complicated. Witt claimed he held up the umbrella as an icon symbolizing the treachery of Neville Chamberlain, the 1930s British prime minister. Chamberlain, who tried to preserve peace with Hitler by ceding him a part of Czechoslovakia (the Sudetenland), became a reviled symbol of appeasement. The self-described Umbrella Man said that he had been identifying appeasement with Chamberlain’s trademark umbrella. The connection to JFK came via his father, Joseph P. Kennedy, ambassador to Britain at the time and an anti-war isolationist.

Only a very unusual 15-year-old American (Witt’s approximate age in 1938) would have strong feelings about a British prime minister’s behavior, and still harbor those feelings a quarter century later. It is even harder to accept that he could believe JFK, himself a young man in 1938, might “get” the message somehow via the umbrella.

Even if we are to accept that Witt really was the man pumping the umbrella on the Grassy Knoll, and even if he was cognizant of Chamberlain, and even if he did think he could get a message to JFK via the Chamberlain affair, we still have a big problem with this claim.

According to John Simkin, a retired British history teacher and textbook author who runs the historical website Spartacus Educational, the umbrella was never the symbol of Chamberlain that the “umbrella man” claimed it was.

“In Britain, there was never any association with an umbrella at all,” Simkin told me. “Everyone had umbrellas and bowlers in those days.” According to Simkin, the only proper symbol for Chamberlain and appeasement was a piece of paper. That was the documenthe held aloft, with Hitler’s signature to the so-called Munich Agreement—in which Hitler agreed not to seek any further territorial gains in Europe—as Chamberlain famously declared that he had secured “peace in our time.” (In this old newsreel, you can see Chamberlain hold aloft that document.)

Simkin finds the New York Times video’s assertion that the purpose of opening the umbrella and pumping it in the air to signal Munich simply laughable.

More likely, it was exactly what it appeared to be: a method of signaling shooters, perhaps that JFK had been hit, perhaps that he still seemed to be alive, perhaps to keep shooting. Although it was a sunny day, it had rained the night before, and there was a wind, so it would not have been operationally illogical to move forward with using an umbrella. The fact that the New York Times and the establishment in general have never considered the umbrella worthy of real, serious inquiry, tells us that if the umbrella was part of a plot, it was not so bad a choice.

RIO GRANDE BUILDING

In the last article, I mentioned that Witt, the self-proclaimed “Umbrella Man,” worked for Rio Grande National Life Insurance in the Rio Grande building. I mentioned that the same building housed the Immigration office frequented by Lee Harvey Oswald, and the local office of the highly negligent Secret Service. I mentioned that Rio Grande wrote a lot of insurance for the military. And, separately, I noted the strong military intelligence connections to key figures connected with 11/22/63.

One thing I did not mention, but should have, was that Military Intelligence itself had offices in that Rio Grande building.

Now, all of that could be coincidence. But there’s a reason certain entities signed leases with particular landlords and not others—especially so in Dallas circa 1963 (more on this in Family of Secrets.)

DARK COMPLECTED MAN

Some of our readers wondered why I did not mention another figure who acted strangely as Kennedy’s limo passed. This was the so-called “Dark Complected Man”—so named because his complexion was his most readily identifiable feature in photos from November 22.

I left him out of the initial piece because I wanted to focus solely on Umbrella Man, who, after all, was the sole subject of that New York Times video I was considering.

Nevertheless, Dark Complected Man is without question an extremely important character. Maybe even more deserving of scrutiny than Umbrella Man.

Dark Complected Man (DCM), like Umbrella Man, was on the Grassy Knoll, and, like Umbrella Man, appears to reasonable observers to have been signaling. At the precise moment that JFK’s car passed, as Umbrella Man opened and pumped his umbrella repeatedly, Dark Complected Man shot his fist up into the air. To some, DCM seemed to be calling for a halt to the presidential limo, which did in fact either come to a complete halt or slowed down to a crawl.

It’s not just their actions at the moment that Kennedy’s head is blown apart. It’s how they behave afterwards.

Instead of reacting with horror and springing into action, these two purported strangers sit down together, on the curb, and calmly survey the chaos. In their icy nonchalance, they exhibit an almost professional detachment.

Another intriguing thing about DCM is that in photos, something that looks like a radio or walkie-talkie appears to be protruding from his back pocket.

Taken together, Dark Complected Man and Umbrella Man add real bulk to the mountain of circumstantial evidence for a conspiracy in the death of JFK.

Maybe we do have The Times to thank, after all. Although that whimsical video was intended to discourage inquiry, it has had exactly the opposite effect. It goads us to focus diligently on long-ago events that “the paper of record” will not scrutinize—and that cast a shadow over democracy to the present moment.

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Source:

http://whowhatwhy.co...â€"more-doubts/

[Mike Rago]

At the precise moment that JFK’s car passed, as Umbrella Man opened and pumped his umbrella repeatedly, Dark Complected Man shot his fist up into the air.

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Source:

http://whowhatwhy.co...o;"more-doubts/

That article does a poor job of evaluating the evidence. Where does he inform the reader that DCM walks with a limp, or started to run up the Knoll following the others?

Where is the evidence(which does exist) that tends to support the innocence of these men in that article?

Where is the film that shows Umbrella man pumping his umbrella so we can see where this pumping occurred? Where does the article tell us what Mr Witt told us that he was fiddling with the Umbrella to get it open when the shots were fired and he did not even see the president shot?

DCM did not throw his fist in the air. He is waving at the president.

And it was not "just as the bullets poured into the car".

The simultaneous shots occurred here...

Edited July 8, 2012 by Mike Rago