The AIA disowns Richard Gage "AIA" and few architect want to have anything to do with him.

[Steven Gaal]

Firefighter Audiotape

Reports from Firefighters at the Impact Zone Inside the South Tower

The New York Times revealed the existence of a 78-minute audiotape of radio transmissions of the New York Fire Department (FDNY), which proves that at least two firefighters reached the 78th floor sky lobby of the South Tower. ¹

Chief Oreo Palmer radioed from the 78th floor of the South Tower.

1. Excerpts From Firefighters' WTC Tape on 9/11, thememoryhole.org, [cached]

2. The Complete Firefighters' WTC Tape from 9/11, thememoryhole.org,

3. NY firefighters reached South Tower crash zone, Guardian Unlimited, 7/5/02 [cached]

4. Fire Department Tape Reveals No Awareness of Imminent Doom, New York Times, 11/9/02 [cached]

5.NY DAILY NEWS 1/04/02

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The New York Times revealed the existence of a 78-minute audiotape of radio transmissions of the New York Fire Department (FDNY), which proves that at least two firefighters reached the 78th floor sky lobby of the South Tower. ¹

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Jeffrey G. Strahl says:

James B.: You are apparently not very bright, coming back into a situation in which you were caught in an outright lie. You quoted the FEMA report out of context, making it seem as if the steel beam examined by the WPI team was subject to temperatures of "only" 700-800 deg C (as if such temps were present anyway), when in fact the full quote shows otherwise.

If someone is reading this and doesn't understand what you did, i'll provide them with another example. Someone (call him/her A) says "It's horrible that even in the 1950s, there were people who thought lynching is a good thing." James B would then accuse A of being a racist and present a "quote" in which he/she states "lynching is a good thing." You are a shameless xxxx, James B.

Of course, it's understandable. You have been caught like a trapped rat, unable to explain evidence of molten/vaporized metals, which would require temperatures FAR, FAR in excess of anything even NIST claimed were present, let alone anything for which there is evidence that the fires caused. This would obviously require explosives and/or incendiary devices, since there are no volcanos or hot sun-like stars in the area. It is not an "unexplained phenomenon." So, unable to explain it off, even with a nonsensical pseudo-explanation, you resort to prattling about Shermer's BS and all sorts of other stuff. That's nothing more than the squealing of a trapped rat. By the way, Shermer is a proven xxxx regarding 9/11, just like you.

Edited February 1, 2013 by Steven Gaal

[Len Colby]

None of this changes the fact NIST said fires were weak in the area Palmer was in at the time, thus his comments in no way contradicted their findings.

[Steven Gaal]

None of this changes the fact NIST said fires were weak in the area Palmer was in at the time, thus his comments in no way contradicted their findings. // END COLBY

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LION AND TIGERS ,OH MY !!

GEE 78th floor were molton metal flowed ........ Chief Oreo Palmer radioed from the 78th floor of the South Tower.

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9/11 Memorial

(Corner of Cross and Perrin Streets) Located behind Pease Auditorium, at the corner of Cross and Perrin streets at the southeast end of Eastern Michigan University’s Campus is EMU’s 9/11 Memorial. The Memorial is made up of a 14-foot support beam from the South Tower of the World Trade Center and it weighs about 6,800 pounds. The beam reads “south” and has the number “74” written on it. it is assumed that this means this beam came from the 74th floor of the South Tower. The beam appears singed by the molten metal that rained down upon it from the 78th floor where the second plane crashed into the tower on the fateful morning. Below the beam are the two six-inch concrete supports which stand upon the four concrete steps. The steps read: IN HONOR OF THE MANY LIVES LOST IN THE ATTACKS OF SEPTEMBER 11, 2001, AND TO RECALL/ THE COURAGE SHOWN BY SO MANY ON THAT DAY, WE SOLEMNLY PLACE THIS MEMORIAL HERE. MAY WE FOREVER REMEMBER THEIR LIVES AND THEIR COURAGE.—EASTERN MICHIGAN UNIVERSITY, SEPTEMBER 11, 2011. The wording for the Memorial was proposed by professor of American History at EMU, Mark Higbee. The location for the memorial came out of many discussions by committees of faculty, students and administrators. Early reports were that the Memorial was to be built outside of Halle Library, where it would be very visible to all campus members. Committee members finally agreed upon its current location where they felt its display is more, “reserved and respectful and not directly accessible to passersby," said Colin Blakely, head of the EMU art department. The project cost $25,000 and was primarily paid for by donations and in-kind contributions. The lettering alone cost $1,900. EMU president Susan Martin requested the artifact from the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey and it was delivered by members of EMU’s Physical Plant all the way from New York’s John F. Kennedy International Airport. On the return trip to Ypsilanti the Head of Physical Plant Operations, John Donegan, reported that people who saw the beam were, “very emotional when they see it...We’ve had people cry over it, we’ve had people pray over it, we’ve had people get mad when they see it.” Donegan himself described the Memorial, “It’s really a community piece.”

Edited February 2, 2013 by Steven Gaal

[Len Colby]

Wrong again, one thing that “truthers”, “debunkers” and NISTagree on is that the material was flowing from the northeast corner of the 80^th or 81^st floor

http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/911mysteries/index.html

http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-articles/653-debunking-the-real-911-myths-why-popular-mechanics-cant-face-up-to-reality-part-5-nanothermite-in-the-towers.html

http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com.br/2008/03/henry62-was-right.html

http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/faqs_wtctowers.cfm

Chief Palmer said he was on the “78th floor” in the "South stairway...South Tower" (stair 3) thus he was far away from whatever was flowing.

http://www.911myths.com/html/no_wtc2_inferno_.html

[Steven Gaal]

^{Published on May 18, 2012}

^{911 molten steel}

^{unaltered clip released by NIST ater hiding it for 10 years or so.}

^{Why does it need a court order and lawsuit to release these videos?}

^{The metal is pouring out several floors below the impact zone.}

^{its not aluminum.}

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World Trade Center Hot Spots

From 911Encyclopedia

Fire Pages Index

Other Underground Fires

Thermite

NIST Claims Molten Steel In The Wreckage Was Due To Long Term Combustion Within The Debris Pile

Can a collapsing building melt steel?

World Trade Center Molten Metal Videos

Firefighting efforts at the World Trade Center Disaster Site

World Trade Center Tower Steel Sample Shows Severe Damage Due To A High Temperature Corrosion Attack Which Melted The Steel

World Trade Center 7 Steel Samples Show Severe Damage Due To A High Temperature Corrosion Attack Which Melted The Steel

Destruction of Evidence

World Trade Center "Meteorites"

World Trade Center Remote Sensing Missions

World Trade Center Dust

The Destruction Of Each World Trade Center Tower Generated A Hot Density Current

The Destruction Of World Trade Center 7 Generated A Hot Density Current

Notes:

• The World Trade Center debris pile fire did not have a significant source of air
  

• The thermal and hyperspectral images below represent surface temperatures, the "optical depth" is at the most a few millimeters. ACS 919 (ACS919)
  

• Thermal Data was Used to Direct Firefighting Efforts .
  

• OSHA safety experts were concerned about the effects of the extreme heat on the crane rigging and the hazards of contact with the hot steel.
  

• A total of 4 million gallons of water percolated through the debris in the first 10 days and collected at the bottom of the Bathtub. llnl.gov
  

• 2000 gallons of Pyrocool FEF (UV-blocking) foaming agent were sprayed on the "pile" starting 09/28/01. newscientist.com
  

• Thermal data was acquired until at least 2/12/2002 [[1]]
  

Red Hot Debris. The removal of debris from the collapsed areas requires the safe lifting and maneuvering of very heavy steel beams, often twisted and tangled from the force of the collapse. Some beams pulled from the wreckage are still red hot more than 7 weeks after the attack, and it is suspected that temperatures beneath the debris pile are well in excess of 1,000°F. The LiRo Group 2001-11-01 - LiRo at GROUND ZERO Work at the World Trade Center Involves the Firm's Top Personnel (link)

These sprayers were also used to cool the high temperature debris before it left the site. Several trucks were returned to the site for additional cooling because the law enforcement officers would not let them through the tunnels leaving Manhattan until they stopped steaming. [2] [3] U.S. Army Corps of Engineers 2002-01-01 - New York City World Trade Center Disaster Deployment (link)

Leslie Robertson Confirms Molten Metal in WTC Basement:

Joe Allbaugh, the Director of FEMA, interviewed by Bryant Gumbel of CBS news on October 10 2001:

GUMBEL: We’re seeing a lot of video of smoke pouring up from the debris.

ALLBAUGH: Correct.

GUMBEL: And we’re hearing there are places where temperatures are still approaching and sometimes exceeding a thousand degrees.

ALLBAUGH: That’s right.

GUMBEL: Why? Why do we have these hot spots? What’s going on?

ALLBAUGH: Well, you have normal debris, you know, computers, paper, you have some areas that are hot pockets because of fuel. It’s just too hot for rescuers to get into those areas. So we do not know yet what’s in those areas, other than very hot, molten material.

FEMA 2001-10-04 - FEMA Director Allbaugh with Bryant Gumbel, CBS Early Show (link)

WTC Building 6 housed several federal agencies, primarily U.S. Customs (Photo 11). The third floor—now largely inaccessible—contained a firing range. More than 1.2 million rounds of ammunition were stored on this level, as was a vault used to store other explosives and weapons. A seizure vault was also on the third floor; it contained evidence (such as drugs, cash and evidence files) seized during Customs operations. Final status: At great personal risk, Customs officials, the FBI and contractor representatives located and removed the criminal evidence from Building 6 during the fourth week of the effort. The ammunition was finally located on Oct. 24, 2001, melted together into large “bullet balls” that were extremely dangerous to handle and dispose of properly (Photo 12).

Professional Safety The American Society of Safety Engineers 2002-05-01 - SH&E at Ground Zero Disaster Response (link)

The debris pile at Ground Zero was always tremendously hot. Thermal measurements taken by helicopter each day showed underground temperatures ranging from 400ºF to more than 2,800ºF. The surface was so hot that standing too long in one spot softened (and even melted) the soles of our safety shoes.

Professional Safety The American Society of Safety Engineers 2002-05-01 - SH&E at Ground Zero Disaster Response (link)

"As of 21 days after the attack, the fires were still burning and molten steel was still running." -Leslie Robertson

SEAU News Structural Engineers Association of Utah 2001-10-01 - WTC A STRUCTURAL SUCCESS (link)

"I saw melting of girders in World Trade Center." -Structural Engineer Abolhassan Astaneh

PBS Newshour 2007-05-10 - Collapse of Overpass in California Becomes Lesson in Construction (link)

"I talked to many contractors and they said they actually saw molten metal trapped, beams had just totally had been melted because of the heat." -Chaplain Herb Trimpe

The Times Herald-Record 2002-09-08 - A Day In September The Chaplain's Tale (link)

"You'd get down below and you'd see molten steel -- molten steel! -- running down the channel rails. Like you're in a foundry... like lava... from a volcano." -FDNY Captain Ruvolo

Turn Century Pictures 2003-01-01 - COLLATERAL DAMAGES (link)

"descended deep below street level to areas where underground fires still burned and steel flowed in molten streams."

The Atlantic Monthly Group 2002-08-01 - 77 NORTH WASHINGTON STREET (link)

"In some pockets now being uncovered, they are finding molten steel." -Alison Geyh, PhD.

Bloomberg School of Public Health 2001-10-01 - Mobilizing Public Health Danger in the Dust (link)

"Feeling the heat, seeing the molten steel, the layers upon layers of ash, like lava, it reminded me of Mt. St. Helens and the thousands who fled that disaster" -Ron Burger

National Environmental Health Association 2003-09-01 - Messages in the Dust (link)

"They showed us many fascinating slides" ... "ranging from molten metal which was still red hot weeks after the event, to 4-inch thick steel plates sheared and bent in the disaster." -Dr Keith Eaton

The Structural Engineer The Institution of Structural Engineers 2002-09-03 - President visits ground zero on New York visit New York visit reveals extent of WTC disaster (link)

"Smoke constantly poured from the peaks. One fireman told us that there was still molten steel at the heart of the towers' remains. Firemen sprayed water to cool the debris down but the heat remained intense enough at the surface to melt their boots. Massive steel girders were sandwiched in with crushed concrete. Someone told us that they weighed 1,000 pounds a foot. The collapse left them all blackened and twisted. They are among the few recognizable items in the rubble. You find scant evidence of the hundreds of offices that were once part of the twin towers. Most the furniture and equipment was pounded into dust." -Guy Lounsbury of New York Air National Guard's 109th Air Wing

National Guard The National Guard Association of the United States 2001-12-01 - Serving on 'sacred ground' Guardsman Sees Humanity's Best and Worst during Two Weeks at 'Ground Zero' (link)

"the ominous groaning of weakened structures overhead, or, in the early days, the streams of molten metal that leaked from the hot cores and flowed down broken walls inside the foundation hole." -William Langewiesche

North Point Press 2002-10-24 - American Ground: Unbuilding the World Trade Center (link)

He remembers seeing in the darkness a distant, pinkish glow–molten metal dripping from a beam–but found no signs of life. -Lee Turner of The Boone County Firefighters

U.S. News & World Report 2002-09-12 - They came to help at Ground Zero. What they experienced they can't forget Memories (link)

"In the first few weeks, sometimes when a worker would pull a steel beam from the wreckage, the end of the beam would be dripping molten steel" -Greg Fuchek

1105 Government Information Group 2002-09-09 - Handheld app eased recovery tasks (link)

O'Toole remembers in February seeing a crane lift a steel beam vertically from deep within the catacombs of Ground Zero. "It was dripping from the molten steel," -Joe O'Toole FDNY

Knight Ridder Newspapers 2002-05-29 - Recovery worker reflects on months spent at Ground Zero (link)

"Underground, it was still so hot that molten metal dripped down the sides of the wall from Building 6." -Kenneth Holden, Commissioner of the New York City Department of Design and Construction

NATIONAL COMMISSION ON TERRORIST ATTACKS UPON THE UNITED STATES 2003-04-01 - Public Hearing (link)

"Going below, it was smoky and really hot... The debris past the columns was red-hot, molten, running." -Richard Garlock, structural engineer for LERA

Public Broadcasting Systems 2002-09-10 - America Rebuilds A year at Ground Zero (link)

"a fire truck 10 feet below the ground that was still burning two weeks after the towers collapsed, its metal so hot it looked like a vat of molten steel." -Jim McKay, Post-Gazette Staff Writer interviewing Vance Deisingnore, OSHA Officer at WTC

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette 2002-09-11 - Vance Delsignore: OSHA officer at WTC (link)

"The average temperature beneath the rubble is said to be 1500 F. so that when steel is brought up it is molten and takes two or three days to cool down." -Father Edward A. Malloy

2001-10-24 - Reflections in the Wake of September 11: Visit to Ground Zero, New York City (link)

"I spent several hours tonight, walking "the pile" and attempting to soak it all in for the last time and find a bit of closure...deep below ground a portion of the pile was still on fire and boiled with molten material. Sometimes, open flame would erupt as a crane pulled debris out and air rushed in. Fire hoses constantly poured streams of water causing huge billowing steam clouds to rise up over the site into the huge lights above." -Ed Pfister, Disaster Medical Assistance Team

National Institutes of Health 2001-10-30 - At Ground Zero NIH'ers Respond to Tragedy in NYC (link)

The four men sat on a sunny sidewalk in Greenwich Village on a recent workday and ate their lunch staring at the steel skeleton of a building going up on West Third Street. One of them commented on how much easier it was to eat a sandwich in front of steel that was strong and straight and new, not molten and mangled and laden with debris. The men -- Larry Keating, Danny Doyle, Mike Emerson and Bobby Graves -- are veteran ironworkers in Local 40.

The New York Times 2002-11-11 - Ironworkers' Job of Clearing Ground Zero Is Over, but the Trauma Lingers (link)

But the two towers — they were 110-story buildings. And there was nothing that you could put your hands on that resembled anything that would tell you this once was two 110-story office buildings. What you had were large columns of steel that were just stuck into massive amounts of molten steel and other metals, that had just fused together from the heat and bonded together from the strength of the collapse. We dug and we dug and we dug, and we cut and we cut and we cut, and we did not see anything that resembled any type of furniture, any type of personal belongings. We found some pieces of things like a telephone, things like that. I think we found credit cards a few times, and we found a couple of stuffed animals. But you would expect to see, like, a bunch of desks, a bunch of chairs. The only way I can explain it is, if you take a car and put it in one of those machines where they crush it and make it look like a cube, and you can’t recognize what it is, that’s what the whole area looked like. It looked like a massive, molten mess that had been fused together, like a car that had been cubed and crushed. With all that heavy, heavy stuff, there were wires, rebar, concrete. Most of it was just steel. A lot of what we were walking on was just molten steel. -Fire Department Chief Mike Donoho of Texas Task Force 1 Urban Search and Rescue

The Eagle 2002-09-11 - Reluctant hero narrates horror of N.Y. mission (link)

"The workers go through three pairs of rubber boots a day because they melt in the three-week-old fire of molten metal and jet fuel. The health hazards are everywhere: the fire, molten metal, the lack of breathable air and 3000+ decomposing bodies." -Ben Robinson

2001-10-17 - MAGIC@GROUND ZERO (link)

"In mid-October, in the evening," said Thomas A. Cahill, a retired professor of physics and atmospheric science at the University of California, Davis, "when they would pull out a steel beam, the lower part would be glowing dull red, which indicates a temperature on the order of 500 to 600 °C. And we know that people were turning over pieces of concrete in December that would flash into fire - which requires about 300 °C. So the surface of the pile cooled rather rapidly, but the bulk of the pile stayed hot all the way to December."

Chemican and Engineering News CENEAR 81 42 pp. 26-30 Volume 81, Number 42 2003-10-20 - CHEMICAL ANALYSIS OF A DISASTER Scientists struggle to understand the complex mixture of aerosols released during and after the destruction of the World Trade Center (link)

"Ferer was one of several people in a visiting United Services Organization (USO)-Tribeca group who had lost family members. As they visited troops, they carried Port Authority pins, baseball caps, and a piece of molten steel from the WTC."

The Journal of American Culture 2005-02-09 - Rituals of Mourning and National Innocence (link)

"Even as the steel cooled, there was concern that the girders had become so hot that they could crumble when lifted by overhead cranes. As a result, additional safeguards were put in place to limit the dangers associated with lifting the damaged steel and to protect the workers in the vicinity. Another danger involved the high temperature of twisted steel pulled from the rubble. Underground fires burned at temperatures up to 2,000 degrees. As the huge cranes pulled steel beams from the pile, safety experts worried about the effects of the extreme heat on the crane rigging and the hazards of contact with the hot steel. And they were concerned that applying water to cool the steel could cause a steam explosion"

Occupational Safety & Health Administration 2003-11-01 - A Dangerous Worksite The World Trade Center (link)

The "hot spots", where intensely burning debris generated temperatures in excess of 1300 degrees Fahrenheit, posed a significant danger to relief workers. NASA had an instrument that could provide information that would be useful to emergency responders. NASA's Airborne Visible infrared Imaging Spectrometer (AVIRIS) science instrument was capable of providing data that could be used to filter smoke and locate extreme hot spots.

NASA SE-2002-02-00007-SSC 2002-02-13 - NASA Involvement in National Priority Support for Disasters (link)

The temperature at the core of "the pile," is near 2000 degrees Fahrenheit, according to fire officials

ABC News 2001-09-18 - Search Continues (link)

The US&R Teams were provided access to thermal imagery and began superimposing thermal data on collapse maps in October. This thermal imagery was collected on the same over flights of the WTC as the airborne LIDAR data that was being used to map the surface elevations each day. The National Information and Mapping Agency (NIMA), located at Pier 90 produced these maps. Firefighters and other responders contended with intense heat associated with the super-heated steel for weeks; some were coming back from shifts with the bottoms of their boots melted.

George Washington University 2002-06-01 - Assessment of Geospatial Technology Applications by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers during World Trade Center Operations (link)

"Two weeks after the attack, the rubble, the Pile, is still 7 stories tall. Below, in the Pit it burns like the gates of hell. It is 1200 degrees, so hot that the steel work lifted by the grapplers comes out soft. I've never seen anything like this" -Capt. Susanne Caviness conversation with FDNY Firefighter

U.S. Public Health Service 2001-09-30 - WTC Ground Zero : Images from Firefighters and Steel Workers (link)

"The fires are so hot in pockets on the Pile that some of the firefighters change boots 3-4 times a day. Smoke and flame come up from the Pit deep within the Pile when a piece of heavy equipment with a huge grappler pulls out a mass that allows a swish of oxygen inside". -Capt. Susanne Caviness conversation with FDNY Firefighter

U.S. Public Health Service 2001-09-30 - WTC Ground Zero : Images from Firefighters and Steel Workers (link)

"Some of the structural steel sections being removed were still red-hot." -James DeStefano P.E.

Structure 2001-10-01 - STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS ASSIST IN THE AFTERMATH (link)

"The rubble pile was so hot in places that it melted the soles of work boots. Companies donated supplies of work shoes, and construction workers laboring on the hotter parts of the rubble pile reportedly went through a pair a day. A boot wash was established where workers could cool their feet."

RAND 2006-01-01 - Protecting Emergency Responders Lessons learned from Terrorist Attacks (link)

"Boots (especially rubber boots) were not fitted properly and melted in the high-heat environment."

RAND 2006-01-01 - Protecting Emergency Responders Lessons learned from Terrorist Attacks (link)

"At the World Trade Center, the rubble pile was so hot in places that it melted the soles of boots (a problem noted by members of the trades, lawenforcement, and firefighter panels). Work shoes with steel reinforcements in the soles and toes protected feet against punctures by sharp objects but often could not be worn because they conducted and retained the heat, causing blistered or scorched feet."

RAND 2006-01-01 - Protecting Emergency Responders Lessons learned from Terrorist Attacks (link)

"The dogs were trained to sniff out bodies. They weren't trained to recognize heat. So when they hopped on a smoldering I-beam [some of which were hot enough to melt the firefighters' rubber-soled boots] they'd get hurt. Some of them even ignited," -Mike Bellone FDNY

Massachusetts Institute of Technology 2002-09-11 - N.Y. firefighters describe sorrow, exhaustion at Ground Zero cleanup (link)

"There are pieces of steel being pulled out that are still cherry red" -Don Carson, National Operating Engineers Union

NY Daily News 2001-11-01 - Fire May Smolder For Months (link)

"Ground Zero at the World Trade Center was a search site like few others after a major disaster event. Multiple sources of hazards were everywhere. There were shards of steel piled on steel, a two-million-ton pile of debris, red hot steel beams still being pulled from the earth"

2002-10-01 - Ground zero (link)

"The first indication of "Ground Zero" is the smoke. It's still smoking. Many of the beams are still red hot as they are uncovered, and start new fires as the oxygen reaches them." -Congressman Pete Hoekstra

2001-09-19 - New York: A City With an Attitude... and a Heart (link)

"I went outside and saw a large hole in the left-hand tower, approximately 80 stories up. There was smoke coming out but not a lot of fire. I could also see streams of molten metal coming from undamaged areas of the building, in three different places. The streams looked like the sparks from a welders torch, orange in colour and about the length of one floor. These streams were very odd in that they were coming from undamaged parts of the building. I watched from Vesey for about 10 minutes." -David Long

ABC News 2011-09-09 - 'Real fear': Your September 11 stories (link)

"Temperatures in the pile were over 1,200 °F. Every time an area was opened, fire started in any buried combustible debris. Water trucks and fire engines were used continually. The high temperature debris and water created steam."

U.S. Army Corps of Engineers 2002-01-01 - New York City World Trade Center Disaster Deployment (link)

"When I am not moving, I notice that the soles of my boots are melting from the heat inside the pile of debris."

2002-02-01 - A call to rescue: Sappers assist at the World Trade Center (link)

With no special protective gear, he worked within a few feet of still burning fires, “like a volcano,” hot enough that molten steel could be seen dripping down. “My boots melted every night,” he recalled. “You just didn’t stand in one place too long.” -Tom Hickey

The River Reporter 2005-09-09 - WTC injuries hobble local man (link)

Edited February 4, 2013 by Steven Gaal

[Len Colby]

^{Published on May 18, 2012}

^{911 molten steel}

^{unaltered clip released by NIST ater hiding it for 10 years or so.}

^{Why does it need a court order and lawsuit to release these videos?}

^{The metal is pouring out several floors below the impact zone.}

Mr. Gaal I think you need to get your spectacles checked it seems to be time for a new prescription, perhaps that's why you posted the exact same video twice. There is only one point of origin in it (them) ditto the closer photos and videos. That's why even 'truther' sites only say it came from the 81st floor. But even IF the material was pouring from the 78th floor Chief Palmer was in a stairwell protected by drywall almost 200 feet from the NE corner.

Note that truthers normally use images from the NIST Report which indicated "Intensity levels have been adjusted" in the 'new' "unaltered clip" the flow looks more grey-white, like molten aluminum.

its not aluminum.

Gee, the anonymous YTer with poor grammar says so it must be true! a mechanical and materials engineer who owns and operates a foundry begs to differ:

If the approximate melting temperature of steel is 2750 F the the material would be plastic at 1650 F. Even assuming a safety factor of 3, you would expect the bolts or other structural members to deform and fail near this temperature, especially with the additional weight if a jet air liner. I would assume that the live load calculations did not include the typical office equipment and an airliner plus a factor of 3. THEREFORE I assume that the flow is not steel and that the temperature of the steel members at the time of the photo is less than 1650 F.

Assuming that the flow would be molten aluminum from the airliner and the color of molten aluminum is silver then why is the flow orange?

The color of pure molten aluminum is silver, It has an emissivity of .12. Steel has an emissivity of .4 and appears orange in the temperature range of molten aluminum.

The emissivity of aluminum oxide is .44 and also appears orange in the melting temperature range of molten aluminum.

The emissivity of plate glass is .937 It begins to soften at 1000 F and flows around 1350 F. Silica has an emissivity of .8

Copper oxide also has an emissivity of .8. however I will assume that their effect is negligible.

Aluminum oxidizes readily in the foundry under ideal melting conditions. Large surface area relative to thickness, turbulence, the presence of water or oil greatly increases the oxidation of aluminum. A jet airliner is made of thin aluminum sheet and most probably suffered considerable oxidation especially in contact with an open flame and being in contact with jet fuel. If you don't believe this, try melting a few soda cans over coals or open flame. If you are lucky you will end up with only 50% aluminum oxide. However, the cans may completely burn up.

The specific gravity of aluminum is 2.7. The specific gravity of aluminum oxide (Al2O3-3H2O) is 2.42 the specific gravity of Si = 2.40 and Glass is 2.65 these are all very similar and likely to be entrained in a molten aluminum flow. Don't believe it? lightly stir the dross into molten aluminum. The surface tension is so high is is almost impossible to separate them.

THEREFORE assuming that the flow consist of molten aluminum and considerable oxides, and assuming that the windows in the trade center were plate glass and also in a plastic state and that they were also likely entrained in the molten aluminum. I would expect the flow to appear to be orange in color. Especially since both the entrained materials have emissivities equal to or more than twice that of iron.

Also since dross cools to a gray color and glass with impurities also turns dark. I would expect that the flow would darken upon cooling.

http://www.debunking...moltensteel.htm

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World Trade Center Hot Spots

From 911Encyclopedia

Yawn another wall of links similar to ones already spammed here, the compiler obviously went for the quality over quality approach and included reports of molten metals, molten materials and even molten boot soles. There are about a dozen reports of molten steel but some are second-hand and some are obviously figurative such as: '"The average temperature beneath the rubble is said to be 1500 F. so that when steel is brought up it is molten and takes two or three days to cool down." -Father Edward A. Malloy'. A few however indicated they saw molten as in liquid steel but how can one be sure they didn't mistake another molten metal for steel? Truthers have yet to turn up images of molten or once molten steel. Risibly they sometimes use photos of the “meteorites” of compressed debris which contain PVC tubing and uncharred paper with visible text.

Edited February 5, 2013 by Len Colby

[Steven Gaal]

World Trade Center 7 Steel Samples Show Severe Damage Due To A High Temperature Corrosion Attack Which Melted The Steel

"Evidence of a severe high temperature corrosion attack on the steel, including oxidation and sulfidation with subsequent intergranular melting, was readily visible in the near-surface microstructure.”... “The thinning of the steel occurred by high temperature corrosion due to a combination of oxidation and sulfidation.”...“The unusual thinning of the member is most likely due to an attack of the steel by grain boundary penetration of sulfur forming sulfides that contain both iron and copper.”...“A liquid eutectic mixture containing primarily iron, oxygen, and sulfur formed during this hot corrosion attack on the steel.”... “The severe corrosion and subsequent erosion of Samples 1 and 2 are a very unusual event. No clear explanation for the source of the sulfur has been identified."

========== Golly golly mis molly ..how about a demoltion/mealting device ??

Edited February 5, 2013 by Steven Gaal

[Len Colby]

Besides derailing threads (as noted by John S. and me) and posting walls of Spam, keeping threads going circles seems to be one of your favored tactics. Any one going to page 9 of this thread can see we already discussed this in mid-December. The presence of sulfur, for which there could be various sources would have lowered the temperatures necessary for such melting to 550 – 850 C or perhaps even as high as 1000 C well within what we could have expected from pre- or post-collapse fires.

[Steven Gaal]

You have been caught like a trapped rat, unable to explain evidence of molten/vaporized metals, which would require temperatures FAR, FAR in excess of anything even NIST claimed were present, let alone anything for which there is evidence that the fires caused. This would obviously require explosives and/or incendiary devices, since there are no volcanos or hot sun-like stars in the area. It is not an "unexplained phenomenon." So, unable to explain it off, even with a nonsensical pseudo-explanation, you resort to prattling about Shermer's BS and all sorts of other stuff. That's nothing more than the squealing of a trapped rat. By the way, Shermer is a proven xxxx regarding 9/11, just like you.

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AH !! MAY BE GRAVITY ENERGY CAUSED THE MOLTEN STEEL .... NO.

The Gravitational Potential Energy Of Each World Trade Center Tower Was Vastly Insufficient To Cause The Observed Events

SEE link below

http://911encyclopedia.com/wiki/index.php/The_Gravitational_Potential_Energy_Of_Each_World_Trade_Center_Tower_Was_Vastly_Insufficient_To_Cause_The_Observed_Events

[Len Colby]

Huh? All you've done is posted a link to a page with nothing but links to yet other pages with links. There are various estimates of the Twin Tower's PE and the amount of energy needed to destroy them. Here's one by Dr. Frank Greening, a PhD in physical chemistry who was a founding member of SPINE the "Scientific Panel Investigating Nine Eleven" which pre-dated groups like 'Scholars for Truth' and AE911T.

http://www.911myths.com/WTCREPORT.pdf

Other papers by Greening:

http://www.911myths.com/html/other_contributions.html

See also:

http://www.911myths.com/html/pulverised_concrete.html

[Steven Gaal]

Colby's Tower destruction theory now rests with discredited

Dr. Frank Greening.

Put up or Shut up: A Year in Review

Posted by John-Michael P. Talboo

see

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2010/04/put-up-or-shut-up-year-in-review.html

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COLBY IS

unable to explain evidence of molten/vaporized metals, which would require temperatures FAR, FAR in excess of anything even NIST claimed were present, let alone anything for which there is evidence that the fires caused. This would obviously require explosives and/or incendiary devices, since there are no volcanos or hot sun-like stars in the area.

[Len Colby]

Colby's Tower destruction theory now rests with discredited

Dr. Frank Greening.

Put up or Shut up: A Year in Review

Posted by John-Michael P. Talboo

see

http://911debunkers....-in-review.html

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COLBY IS

unable to explain evidence of molten/vaporized metals, which would require temperatures FAR, FAR in excess of anything even NIST claimed were present, let alone anything for which there is evidence that the fires caused. This would obviously require explosives and/or incendiary devices, since there are no volcanos or hot sun-like stars in the area.

Colby's Tower destruction theory now rests with discredited

Dr. Frank Greening.

Put up or Shut up: A Year in Review

Posted by John-Michael P. Talboo

see

http://911debunkers....-in-review.html

LOL not even your source, an obscure blogger seeming with no scientific background said Greening was “discredited”. What he failed to mention was that 'discussions' in JEM are not the same thing as papers, they are essentially letters to the editor and do not go through the same peer review process. JEM has been very affording to truthers even publishing one discussion that claimed the top of the South Tower fell at 3 times gravitational rate (w/ no supporting evidence) which would have been impossible even with explosives. Dishonestly he also failed to mention that Greening's coauthors wrote a reply to Gourly that was published in the same issue of JEM. He also cited Hoffman but Hoffman a computer graphics expert has not published anything peer reviewed relating to 9/11 or civil/structural/materials/mechanical engineering

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COLBY IS

unable to explain evidence of molten/vaporized metals, which would require temperatures FAR, FAR in excess of anything even NIST claimed were present, let alone anything for which there is evidence that the fires caused. This would obviously require explosives and/or incendiary devices, since there are no volcanos or hot sun-like stars in the area.

A patently false claim, as pointed out repeatedly the presence of sulfur lower the temperatures need to explain the melting to 800 – 1000 C, with in the range of normal fires. Various sources have been suggested for the sulfur.

http://www.911myths.com/html/sulfur_at_the_wtc.html

[Steven Gaal]

Sulfur did someone say sulfur ?? ......? Sulfur.... lets go down the sulfur road !!

DEBUNKING THE DEBUNKERS PART 1

Other hard evidence in regard to Building 7 centers around the unexplained phenomenon documented in Appendic C of FEMA's WTC Building Performance Study, which found "intergranular melting capable of turning a solid steel girder into Swiss cheese."

Appendix C states, "The severe corrosion and subsequent erosion of Samples 1 and 2 are a very unusual event. No clear explanation for the source of the sulfur has been identified."

NIST never even attempted to explain the melting of this steel or the source of the sulfur, however independent scientists did. What they found was that iron-rich spheres discovered in the WTC dust contained the chemical signature of the incendiary thermate; thermite with sulfur added to lower the steel's melting point. Critics of their findings have argued that a thermate chemical signature would contain barium nitrate, however this is only true if the form

was used. This should have been clear since the scientists were comparing the chemical signature of the spheres to a known sample of thermate which did not contain barium nitrate. All that being said, thermate TH-3 may have been in use as WTC dust samples have shown high traces of barium.

In fact the iron-rich spheres are themselves hard evidence of the use of thermate which produces such spheres as a by-product. Thermate also produces molten iron as a by-product, and lo and behold molten metal was found under WTC 7 as well as the Towers, and seen flowing from the South Tower's crash zone. NIST tried to deny the existence of the molten metal underneath the buildings and explain away the flowing metal in the South Tower as molten aluminum. Here is a video I made demonstrating that these claims are beyond dubious.

Combine these evidences with audio of explosions, reports of explosions both from people inside and outside of the building, reports of plans to "take down" the building, and close examination of WTC 7 collapse warnings in the FDNY oral histories and in the press, and I think the case for explosive demolition is very strong.

But the bottom line is that NIST didn't test the steel for explosives or thermite residues. Their excuses for failing to do so included saying that thermite could not have been coupled to the beams sufficiently to inflict the intended damage, however this ignores methods such as shaped charges, sol-gels, and linear thermite cutting devices. They also stated that, "The metal compounds also would have been present in the construction materials making up the WTC towers, and sulfur is present in the gypsum wallboard that was prevalent in the interior partitions."

But just because the chemical elements are there does not mean they would be there in the correct proportions. As mechanical engineer Gordon Ross stated, "If I leave margarine, flour, sugar and fruit in a cupboard, when I next open the cupboard I will not find a fruit crumble. Some mechanism is required to convert the ingredients. Similarly, if I take these same ingredients, set them alight and throw them out the window, I still will not get my fruit crumble."

Furthermore, physicist Steven Jones has pointed out, "Wallboard has calcium and sulfur and they're very tightly bound with oxygen as well as calcium sulfate."

Now chemical signatures are one thing, but unignited explosive residues is quite another, and that is exactly what a team of scientists report to have found in WTC dust in April of this year. Specifically, they claim to have found a nano-engineered variant of thermite, that when heated exerted an energy/volume yield exceeding that of explosives commonly used in demolitions. There has been debate as to how energetic this material was, and exactly how it would have been used for a building demolition, but during these discussions no argument was presented that the material was anything but nanothermite.

Their findings were published in a peer-reviewed journal and have yet to be refuted in any similar fashion. Attacks upon the journal they published in, The Open Chemical Physics Journal, published by Bentham.org, are unfounded. This is especially true considering that the NIST reports have not been independently peer-reviewed. Attacks upon the provenance of the samples are also unfounded.

So not only did the official investigators fail to do the proper forensic tests, but they also failed to independently verify the non-forensic tests that they did do.

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Molten aluminum

Next, Mr. Powers addresses the issue of the molten metal seen flowing out of the South Tower shortly before its collapse. Many in the Movement have cited this as direct evidence of thermite being placed in the Tower. However, Mr. Power argues that this material is actually molten aluminum, and that molten aluminum can glow bright orange, rather than just silver as others have asserted. Again, this is an issue I have already addressed extensively in my other writings. I as explained in one of my articles:

Some still may argue that the material was molten aluminum and that it was heated to high enough temperatures to get it to glow that brightly. Below is a chart showing temperature-dependent colors of metals. At about 980ºC (1800ºF), most metals begin to glow “light orange.” PM asserts throughout the book that this is how hot the fires could have been in the Towers. However, we previously noted that NIST has no evidence that the fires did reach these temperatures in the buildings. However, even if we accept that the fires did reach those temperature levels, the material still could not have been aluminum because of how long it was heated. As explained by physicist Jerry Lobdill:

The problem with concluding that the liquid flowing from the tower’s 82nd floor could have been aluminum… is that the liquid in the tower was not confined in a container so that more heat could be applied to raise the temperature of the liquid above its melting point. Instead, as soon as the metal liquefied it flowed away from the heat source under the force of gravity. Therefore, the color of the liquid flowing from the 82nd floor [indicated that it] was at approximately the melting point of the metal. And therefore, it was molten iron from steel.

Perhaps the most important reason why the material could not have been molten aluminum is that the material actually became white hot. Regardless of what kind of material was glowing, nobody has explained what would have heated it to over 2000ºF to get it to glow that brightly.

In addition, there is simply little chance the material could have been molten aluminum, based on the fact that the material glowed for as long as it did. As Dr. Jones summarizes:

[F]alling liquid aluminum, which due to low emissivity and high reflectivity appears silvery-gray in daylight conditions, after falling through air 1-2 meters, regardless of the temperature at which the poured-out aluminum left the vessel. Aluminum does incandesce (glow) like other metals, but faintly, so… falling liquid aluminum [in bright daylight] will appear silvery-gray.

While molten aluminum can be ruled out because of the reasons stated above, there is a known substance that easily could account for the observations: thermate, which is thermite with added sulfur. The thermite reaction produces temperatures in the white-hot range up to 4500°F, and the added sulfur lowers the melting point of iron significantly.[34]

Thermate debate

We then hear Mr. Power's arguments regarding controlled demolitions and how loud they are. He correctly points out that one of the reasons the Movement cites thermate and nanothermite being used is because they are quieter than normal explosives. But, he then shows a video of civil engineer Jon Cole cutting through steel with thermate, and notes that it makes a large bang. He also argues that thermate and nanothermite does not have the ability to demolish steel structures. In regards to his first point, though thermate can be loud when set off, it obviously is not as loud as the 130-140 decibels given off from regular explosives. And with nanothermite, it can indeed be formulated to be quiet as well.[35] His second point is rather odd, as he shows Jon Cole’s video, which demonstrates that thermate can be used to cut through structural steel. And research shows that it has even been used in the demolition of large steel structures.[36] Mr. Power also makes mention of the fact that barium nitrate is a component of thermate, but none of it was found in the debris after 9/11. But this claim is somewhat misleading. Barium nitrate is only used in one very specific form of thermate known as thermate-TH3, which is the military patented form of thermate.[37] There are different varieties and formulations of thermite and thermate, so finding barium nitrate is not at all necessary. It certainly does not need to be found in nanothermite, as explained by Dr. Jones:

Thermate (sulfur plus thermite and possibly the form thermate-TH-3) was ALSO in evidence and probably intended to weaken critical steel members (e.g., residue/ material flowing with orange glow from the So. Tower just minutes before its collapse and the sulfidation of WTC steel reported in the FEMA report but ignored by NIST). Thermite incendiary without sulfur is not in evidence at the WTC to date. But sulfur is NOT needed for the function of explosive nanothermite and would not be expected to appear in the red/gray chips.[38]

Edited February 8, 2013 by Steven Gaal

[Steven Gaal]

DEBUNKING THE DEBUNKERS PART 2

Colby's Tower destruction theory now rests with discredited

Dr. Frank Greening. (Gaal)

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Who Needs Debunking When Insults Are So Easy

Posted by John-Michael P. Talboo

Scootle's post thanking the Screw Loose Change blog for their lack of debunking and promotion of 9/11 truth has inspired me to expand on his thoughts and answer a question for my rebunking ally.

First off Scootle, one of their commenters recently stated, "We're at the mocking stage now, well past any debunking."

I have seen comments from Pat Curley before that basically state the same thing, so yes, as you thought might be the case, they are getting lazy. Dr. Frank Greening, while sometimes doing good work, can be just as lazy, as was recently demonstrated when he did some calculations regarding the recent paper on the nano-thermite discovery, Pat reprinted the following "key points.":

I've already done a calculation of how much heat energy a layer of nano-thermite (such as the one allegedly found by

Jones

et al) could generate. My conclusion was that Jones' chips would do no more than slightly warm a WTC column!

So when I bounced my calculations and conclusions off Jones et al, all he could come up with was the suggestion that there were probably other explosives used in the WTC and the nanothermite chips were maybe just fuses! Thus, after all the fuss about high-tech nano-thermites, we are back to good-old 'bombs in the buildings' as the answer to how the buildings were destroyed."

First off, that wasn't all Jones could come up with. In a recent post regarding this debate on 911blogger.com Jones highlighted how he informed Greening that during the ignition of the material iron-rich spheres were formed, such as would be expected during a thermite reaction. He pointed out that the device the chips were heated to only reaches 700°C, but that "the melting points of iron and of iron oxide are both above 1200 C." This is evidence of a high temperature chemical reaction and was basically already addressed in the paper, which notes that the samples ignited at about 430ºC.

Greening also argued that, "The microspheres reported in the Harrit paper could at best be described as 'iron-rich', with Al, Si and O always present. But let me remind you, this is also true for the magnetically separated microspheres found in incinerator ashes – they contain mostly Fe, Al, Si, and O."

Jones replied with more information from the paper, "Dr. Farrer and Danny and I have looked at many of these post-DSC spheres, many do NOT contain Al. See for example Fig 21 in our paper."

Greening then admitted to some error on that point. He also seemed to agree that the materials could not be primer paint used on the WTC.

Jones next pointed out that he never stated thermate alone could bring down the Towers, he states:

During the discussion, I briefly expressed my hypothesis that nanothermite served as an igniting agent, as in the "super-thermite matches" described in our paper, to ignite more conventional explosives such as

C4

or

HMX

, in the destruction of the WTC buildings. Thermate (sulfur plus

thermite

and

possibly

the form

)

was ALSO in evidence

and

probably intended to weaken critical steel members

(

e.g., residue/ material flowing with orange glow from the So. Tower just minutes before its collapse

and

the sulfidation of WTC steel reported in the FEMA report but ignored by NIST

). Thermite incendiary without sulfur is not in evidence at the WTC to date.

But sulfur is NOT needed for the function of explosive nanothermite and would not be expected to appear in the red/gray chips. Reliable and robust super- or nano-thermite ignitors would each be ignited by an electrical pulse generated by a radio-receiver, in turn igniting shaped charges to cut steel, the sequence beginning near where the planes went in for the Towers and computer-controlled, so that the destruction wave would proceed via explosives in top-down sequence. Thus, this was no conventional (bottom first) controlled demolition, agreeing on this with B. Blanchard, but I never claimed it was! (For the Towers; the demolition of WTC7 appears to be bottom-first and more conventional.) The top-down destruction of the Towers in this model would doubtless require more explosives than would a conventional controlled demolition. Thermate (an incendiary, not an explosive) is not the 'be all and end all' explanation (FG’s terminology), nor did I ever claim it was – I have consistently pointed to evidence that explosives were used in bringing down the Towers.

The "

working hypothesis

" above is a scientific hypothesis, that is, subject to change as further research data emerge. It is also possible (for example) that explosive nanothermite (not an incendiary) could have been used in SHAPED CHARGES, to cut through steel explosively (a use suggested in Fig. 1 of Miziolek AW, "Nanoenergetics: an emerging technology area of national importance." Amptiac Spring 2002; 6(1): 43-48. Available from:

http://www.p2pays.org/ref/34/33115.pdf

."

As the Rock Creek Free Press pointed out in their bombshell article Scientists Find Explosives in World Trade Center Dust:

The authors avoided describing the material as 'explosive' because the flakes studied are too small to assess the bulk properties of the material.

To test the power of this thermitic material, small samples were heated in a Differential Scanning Calorimeter, a very sensitive device for detecting the heat generated by a chemical reaction. The samples ignited at about 430ºC and generated as much or more heat than an equal mass of high explosive such as TNT.

When Kevin Ryan was asked if the materials were explosive, he stated, "They can be made quite explosive, in fact they have been referred to as high explosives."

This is a fact...

Aluminothermic Technology - Existence of High-Tech Metal-Based Explosives

Dr. Greening also tried to argue that the materials didn't have the correct physical structure for nano-thermite, but Steven Jones corrected him, "The iron-oxide grains are approximately 100 nm across, which fits the requirement for nano-thermite as defined in the literature, despite Greening's obfuscation of this point."

The literature that Jones refers to is once again something that can be found in the paper itself, at footnote 19 the authors quote a report by Gash et al. dated April 2000 which states, "Nanostructured composites are multicomponent materials in which at least one of the component phases has one or more dimensions (length, width, or thickness) in the nanometer size range, defined as 1 to 100 nm."

The chips also have the correct chemical composition. As Jim Hoffman recently pointed out regarding the structure and composition of the chips:

The particles are very small: the plates being only about 40

nanometers

thick, and the grains are only about 100

nanometers

in diameter. The particles are highly uniform in size and shape. The particles are intimately mixed in a highly consistent composition throughout the material.

These are all features of a

nano-engineered

material. It is not possible that such a material was formed as a by-product of the destruction of the Twin Towers.

Although these elements -- aluminum, iron, oxygen, and silicon -- were all abundant in building materials used in the Twin Towers, it is not possible that such materials milled themselves into fine powder and assembled themselves into a chemically optimized aluminothermic composite as a by-product of the destruction of the Twin Towers.

Dr. Greening has in fact used ridiculous explanations akin to this in the past when he claimed that there could have been natural thermite reactions within the tower fires!

Dr. Jones brings us the bottom line:

So how do you, as a non-scientist, discern whether the arguments are valid or not? You should first ask, 'is the objection PUBLISHED in an ESTABLISHED PEER-REVIEWED JOURNAL?' If not, you can and should say -- "I will wait to see this formally published in a refereed scientific journal. Until then, the published peer-reviewed work by Harrit et al. stands."

Might I add, if this happens, then wait for the response!

So yes Scootle, the debunking is quite lax these days, but our foes claim it's because there's "not much out there," except Dr. Greening kicking so much butt in his exchange with Jones, that "Jones shouldn't be sitting down anytime soon." Did I mention this guy hypothesized that there could have been natural thermite reactions within the tower fires?!

see

link Frank Greening versus Isaac Newton

( Oopoos !! poor Dr. might lose this debate also !)

Edited February 8, 2013 by Steven Gaal

[Len Colby]

Sulfur did someone say sulfur ?? ......? Sulfur.... lets go down the sulfur road !!

DEBUNKING THE DEBUNKERS PART 1

Other hard evidence in regard to Building 7 centers around the unexplained phenomenon documented in Appendic C of FEMA's WTC Building Performance Study, which found "intergranular melting capable of turning a solid steel girder into Swiss cheese."

Appendix C states, "The severe corrosion and subsequent erosion of Samples 1 and 2 are a very unusual event. No clear explanation for the source of the sulfur has been identified."

In my previous post I provided a link to a 9/11 Myths page with discussed several potential sources of sulfur.

NIST never even attempted to explain the melting of this steel or the source of the sulfur

It was not there job to, they were only charged in discovering what caused the collapses.

, however independent scientists did. What they found was that iron-rich spheres discovered in the WTC dust contained the chemical signature of the incendiary thermate; thermite with sulfur added to lower the steel's melting point. Critics of their findings have argued that a thermate chemical signature would contain barium nitrate, however this is only true if the form

was used. This should have been clear since the scientists were comparing the chemical signature of the spheres to a known sample of thermate which did not contain barium nitrate. All that being said, thermate TH-3 may have been in use as WTC dust samples have shown high traces of barium.

In fact the iron-rich spheres are themselves hard evidence of the use of thermate which produces such spheres as a by-product.

No because they could have come from fly ash (commonly used to make concrete) or the cutting torches used during clean up.

Thermate also produces molten iron as a by-product, and lo and behold molten metal was found under WTC 7 as well as the Towers, and seen flowing from the South Tower's crash zone.

We've over this before evidence for molten steel or iron is weak. Truthers have never explained my the MIBH would have used such an exponentially excessive about of thermate that steel or iron would have remained molten for days or in supposed instances months after 9/11. Even based on the calculations of a truther phyics professor the amout needed just to cut the columns would have been prohibitively large

http://www.911myths.com/html/grimmer__thermite_and_the_wtc.html

I'll address the rest later