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And yet the ACLU gave no indication it feels civil war is likely to occur and none of the incidents involved state let alone federal agencies // END COLBY




ACLU requests documents on police use of military-grade equipment

March 6, 2013 11:24 pm

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The American Civil Liberties Union on Wednesday requested documents from police departments across the country in what leaders described as an effort to learn when American police are using federally subsidized, military-grade equipment generally used in a war zone.

The group sent 255 requests in 23 states asking for data on SWAT team call-outs and use, if any, of GPS tracking devices, drones and select other equipment.

Locally, the Pennsylvania ACLU office requested records from the state police, Allegheny County SWAT, Beaver County Emergency Services Unit and the Pittsburgh Bureau of Police, among others.

Alexandra Morgan-Kurtz, the attorney who completed the paperwork for the state ACLU office, said she sent the requests to local agencies that she knew had a SWAT team.

"At this point, we're mostly just gathering information," she said. "The more information we have, the more we can suggest better policy changes."

Ms. Morgan-Kurtz said she expects to get at least some of the documents she requested under the Pennsylvania Right-to-Know Law and hopes to have more information in about a month.

She said she is especially interested to see how the Pittsburgh police department has been using the Long Range Acoustic Device, a sophisticated speaker system capable of sending out a recorded message that can be heard a quarter-mile away.

The LRAD, used here during the G-20 Summit a little more than three years ago, has been used on open seas against pirates and to disperse crowds of bar patrons on the South Side.

Reggie Shuford, executive director of the ACLU of Pennsylvania, said in a statement: "Pennsylvanians deserve to know the extent to which our local police are using military weapons and tactics for everyday policing. The militarization of local police is a threat to Americans' right to live without fear of military-style intervention in their daily lives,**** and we need to make sure these resources and tactics are deployed only with rigorous oversight and strong legal protections."

Representatives for local agencies reached on Wednesday declined to comment.

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QUI ?? QUI ??? military-style intervention in their daily lives,****

ANSWER CIVIL UNREST POSSIBLE. DHS preparing for possible civil war ??


Seems Colby never saw question mark in thread title.

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And yet the ACLU gave no indication it feels civil war is likely to occur and none of the incidents involved state let alone federal agencies // END COLBY




ACLU requests documents on police use of military-grade equipment


Sorry still no evidence the ACLU even suspects the US is facing civil war.

Seem [sic] Colby never saw [sic] question mark in thread title.

That was 47 posts and 7 months ago.

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  • http://www.informati...n.com/?id=43076
  • MSM (Colby's great love) may not give best insight into DHS actions.
  • The militarization of local police is a threat to Americans' right to live without fear of military-style intervention in their daily lives,****
  • WHY ?? WHY ?? Why is this happening ??
  • I think my explanation is as sound as any.

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No, the orders are consistent with previous one and reflect quantities used primarily for training. It is pistol ammunition not what the ZoG will use to put down the great uprising.


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The majority of the bullets purchased by the DHS as part of its 2 billion round ammo buying spree were hollow point bullets (one order alone amounted to 450 million of them). Hollow point bullets just happen to be completely unsuitable for training purposes because they cost significantly more money compared to standard firing range bullets. This debunks both the ‘saving money’ argument and the ‘for training purposes only’ claim in one fell swoop.

Thirdly, the fact that the Associated Press also treated a DHS statement as the gospel truth, when the agency has been caught lying innumerable times, particularly on TSA body scanner issues and most recently with Janet Napolitano’s erroneous claim that the sequester debate was causing delays in airports, also serves as another reminder as to why distrust in the mainstream media is at an all time high.

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The majority of the bullets purchased by the DHS as part of its 2 billion round ammo buying spree were hollow point bullets (one order alone amounted to 450 million of them). Hollow point bullets just happen to be completely unsuitable for training purposes because they cost significantly more money compared to standard firing range bullets. This debunks both the ‘saving money’ argument and the ‘for training purposes only’ claim in one fell swoop.

AP Debunks Daily Caller Op-Ed Warning Of Obama Plot To Kill All Americans

Blog››› September 4, 2012 4:37 PM EDT ››› MEDIA MATTERS STAFF

The Associated Press has published an article debunking the conspiracy theory that a recent ammunition purchase by the Social Security Administration (SSA) signaled an attempt by the Obama administration to impose tyranny upon the American people. AP reporter Stephen Ohlemacher identified conspiracy website InfoWars.com and the right-wing online publication The Daily Caller as prominent pushers of the theory.



Hollow-point bullet (Wikipedia)

A hollow-point bullet is an expanding bullet that has a pit or hollowed out shape in its tip, often intended to cause the bullet to expand upon entering a target in order to decrease penetration and disrupt more tissue as it travels through the target. It is also used for controlled penetration, where over-penetration could cause collateral damage (such as on an aircraft). In target shooting, they are used for greater accuracy and reduction of smoke, fouling, and lead vapour exposure, as hollow point bullets have an enclosed base while traditional bullets have an exposed lead base.


The manufacturing process of hollow-point bullets also produces a flat, uniformly-shaped base on the bullet which increases accuracy by providing a more consistent piston surface for the expanding gases of the cartridge.


Despite the ban on military use, hollow-point bullets are one of the most common types of civilian and police [4] due largely to the reduced risk of bystanders being hit by over-penetrating or ricocheted bullets, and the increased speed of incapacitation.

In many jurisdictions, even ones such as the United Kingdom, where expanding ammunition is generally prohibited, it is illegal to hunt certain types of game with ammunition that does not expand.[5][6] Some target ranges forbid full metal jacket ammunition, due to its greater tendency to damage metal targets and backstops.[7]



And yes Federal, state and local law enforcement use hollow points for training because it's what they use in the field:

Each FAA contract security officer will qualify with the firearm assigned to them, by serial number,
using the same ammunition carried on duty and stored for emergency use



According to GRCA law enforcement staff, policies at Grand Canyon National Park specifically require that qualification for law enforcement officers be accomplished with the exact same ammunition that is carried on duty...While there is no prohibition against shooting non-service ammunition, it does not replicate the functioning and shooting characteristics of service loads.


In demonstrating firearms proficiency, Protective Force Officers shall use firearms of the same type and barrel length as firearms used by Protective Force Officers while on duty, and
the same type of ammunition as that used by Protective Force Officers on duty
. Before a Protective Force Officer is qualified in the use of firearms, the Officer shall complete a review of the basic principles of firearms


The following agencies are not Federal but the principle is the same

The Purcell Police Department tries to qualify with the same type of ammunition they carry on duty


Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department

All qualifications shall be conducted using the same ammunition that is used in duty performance.




Only “factory” ammunition (ie., Remington, Federal, Winchester, CCI, etc…) will be utilized for qualification and that same ammunition will be carried in the handgun upon successful completion of the program.


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The Militarization of Policing in America


American neighborhoods are increasingly being policed by cops armed with the weapons and tactics of war. Federal funding in the billions of dollars has allowed state and local police departments to gain access to weapons and tactics created for overseas combat theaters – and yet very little is known about exactly how many police departments have military weapons and training, how militarized the police have become, and how extensively federal money is incentivizing this trend. It’s time to understand the true scope of the militarization of policing in America and the impact it is having in our neighborhoods. On March 6th, ACLU affiliates in 23 states filed over 255 public records requests with law enforcement agencies and National Guard offices to determine the extent to which federal funding and support has fueled the militarization of state and local police departments. Stay tuned as this project develops.

Consider these ten chilling stories. If the anecdotal evidence is any indication, use of military machinery such as tanks and grenades, as well as counter-terrorism tactics, encourage overly aggressive policing – too often with devastating consequences:

http://www.aclu.org/militarization (SEE LINK FOR ALL TEN)


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An Arizona SWAT team defended shooting an Iraq War veteran 60 times during a drug raid, but had to retract its claim that the veteran shot first.

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A company in Arizona submitted a patent for shock cuffs, which can be used by cops to remotely administer a Taser-like shock to detainees.

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The New York City Police Department disclosed that it deployed “counter-terror” measures against Occupy Movement protesters.

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Surveillance Society

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DHS blacks out information on firearms-related contract with Heckler & Koch




Blacking out information on a government document is illegal without permission from Congress or in response to a national security issue.

No, citation

Might not ammunition purchases by DHS be considered "a national security issue"

These seem to be minor redactions in lengthy proffers

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The Militarization of Policing in America


LOL as previously noted send conversations in circles is one of your tactics, we've been over this already see posts 45 - 9, there is no evidence the ACLU sees a civil war on the horizon.

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