Unfolding U.S. Weather Disaster - Shattered Records vs. Myth of Global Warming

[Guest Tom Scully]

(Huge weather related damage costs and economic interruption. NYC subway system service could be lost for an unpredictable length of time with billions of dollars of damage from sea water flooding of tunnels and compromising third rail power distribution systems mounted next to subway tracks, and low lying electrical control and signal control equipment. The stock exchange has already announced it is closed Monday and Tuesday.)

I'm doing this temporary thread because I was extremely surprised by the news that this hurricane has now broken the atmospheric pressure record lows recorded of the most poweful and destructive northeast U.S. storm in recorded history.:

http://www.northshor...ane19380921.asp

The "Long Island Express" hurricane of September 21, 1938, also known as the "Great New England Hurricane", was at that time the costliest natural disaster ever experienced in the United States. It was also one of the deadliest, taking at least 600 lives on Long Island and in New England, many from storm surge flooding but also from inland flooding of rivers and streams and from causes related to the high winds. In the 21st century, this hurricane remains the benchmark by which all other destructive storms in the northeastern United Sates are measured......

The storm crossed the Connecticut coastline between Bridgeport and New Haven with New Haven reporting a lowest pressure of 28.11 inches at 3:50pm. Other locations in Connecticut, presumably those closest to the path of the hurricane, recorded pressures as low as 28.00 inches.

From Connecticut, the storm continued to move very rapidly, but towards the north-northwest and the center passed near Burlington, VT at around 8:00 PM. At that time, the storm was still of hurricane strength and Burlington recorded a low barometer reading of 28.68 inches....

.....The hurricane of September 1938 is believed to have originated near the Cape Verde islands around the 10th of September from a tropical wave that moved off the coast of Africa a few days earlier. Cyclonic circulation noted near 19N, 37W on the morning of September 13, 1938 may have been the first direct observation of the storm that was to slam the northeast a week later. The storm was first definitively located based on ship records late in the day on September 16 near 21N 53W, at which time a Brazilian ship located near the center logged hurricane force winds and a barometric pressure of 28.31 inches (959 millibars). ...

......Therefore, it is likely that the storm was moving north between 60 and 70 miles per hour as it approached Long Island and Connecticut.

The first landfall occurred over central Long Island, where the coast guard station at Bellport reported a pressure of 27.94 inches (946 millibars). Based on numerous reports of a period of calm over central and eastern Long Island during the height of the storm is believed that the eye had become somewhat elongated as it approached Long Island and was probably as much as 50 miles wide. This period of calm seems to have lasted the longest over central Long Island indicating the likely path across the island of the center of the large eye.

The storm crossed the Connecticut coastline between Bridgeport and New Haven with New Haven reporting a lowest pressure of 28.11 inches at 3:50pm. Other locations in Connecticut, presumably those closest to the path of the hurricane, recorded pressures as low as 28.00 inches.

From Connecticut, the storm continued to move very rapidly, but towards the north-northwest and the center passed near Burlington, VT at around 8:00 PM. At that time, the storm was still of hurricane strength and Burlington recorded a low barometer reading of 28.68 inches.

(Numbers in red displayed above are those recorded on 21 September, 1938.)

https://twitter.com/svrwxtweets

Rob White @svrwxtweets

The Battery flood gauge now at 12.93 feet and still rising. #Sandy

10 minutes ago (8:10 pm EDT)

Rob White @svrwxtweets

7pm EDT water level at The Battery in NYC was 11.25 ft. Shatters old record set in 1821. Not bad enough? 2 hrs to go til high tide

Continuing updates:

The Original Weather Blog : http://originalweath...g.blogspot.com/

http://www.nhc.noaa....ml/291439.shtml

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HURRICANE SANDY ADVISORY NUMBER 30

NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL182012

500 PM EDT MON OCT 29 2012

...SANDY MOVING QUICKLY TOWARD SOUTHERN NEW JERSEY AND DELAWARE...

...LANDFALL EXPECTED EARLY THIS EVENING ACCOMPANIED BY

LIFE-THREATENING STORM SURGE AND HURRICANE-FORCE WINDS...

SUMMARY OF 500 PM EDT...2100 UTC...INFORMATION

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LOCATION...38.8N 74.4W

ABOUT 30 MI...45 KM ESE OF CAPE MAY NEW JERSEY

ABOUT 40 MI...65 KM S OF ATLANTIC CITY NEW JERSEY

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...90 MPH...150 KM/H

PRESENT MOVEMENT...WNW OR 300 DEGREES AT 28 MPH...44 KM/H

MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...940 MB...27.76 INCHES

http://originalweath...t-pressure.html

The latest Hurricane Hunter aircraft observations recorded a minimum central pressure of 943 millibars inside of Hurricane Sandy. This is the lowest pressure on record in the Atlantic Basin to the North of Cape Hatteras, NC. The old record was set by the Hurricane of 1938, which now falls to the #2 slot in the record books.

Rob White said...

UPDATE: A subsequent fly through by the Hurricane Hunters found an even lower pressure of 937 mb inside Sandy! I'll update the post once the final record is reached today.

October 29, 2012 11:50 AM

Edited November 3, 2012 by Tom Scully
(No longer breaking news of unprecedented event) Removed "Temporary" from thread title and moved thread from JFK Debate Forum.

[Len Colby]

Once again Scully demonstrates his unfitness as a moderator. One of the forum's rules is "(vii) When you start a thread please make sure it is relevant to the events surrounding the assassination of JFK. We have other areas of the forum where you can post about Politics, History, Mass Media, Sociology, etc. ". The thread is of course completely irrelevant to the assassination but he posted it here because he anted maximum exposure for whatever point he was trying to make. How can he enforce the rules here when he flaunts them himself?

I'm sure he'll make a point of pointing out the thread is titled as being temporary but that does not justify this.

I refuse to accept his authority, I will undo any edits he makes to my posts and ignore any instructions he gives me unless they are repeated by another moderator or an administrator.

[Guest Tom Scully]

I don't make edits to your posts, Len. At most, I make a "reason for edit" comment, in "the reason fo edit" comment box, but it is my SOP to merely disapprove a post.

I serve on a moderating team, Len; a committee. I actually have little or no individual authority for you to refuse to comply with.

You report more posts of other members than any other active member, Len. You author more protest threads and protest posts than any other member.

You can measure the results of what you are doing? Observing the effects of what you are doing, they seem to be opposite of your intended consequences. Have you noticed that there is very little reaction in proportion to the sheer number of reports of post and protests you generate?

Where do you suppose my "authority" you refuse to submit to, still comes from, Len? Very little that goes on in the Ed Forum escapes your notice. You make sure we all know this. I am not exactly a beer drinking buddy of John Simkin, and I do not seem all that closely aligned with any other moderator or administrator.

I'll let you in on a li'l secret, Len. I'm not overruled by the other members of the mod team all that often because they know from experience that my more active than average role here is a thankless, irritating job, and they don't want a greater part in it than they have, now. One of the aggravations they seem to have had enough of happens to be you, Len.

You ought to be able to figure out that this is a circular dilemma. The more you do what you do, the more support I receive from the other members of the team. Thank you,

Len! If not for you, John Simkin would probably have replaced me.

I'll move the thread to another area of the Political Conspiracies section, soon. The conspiracy I see is the coordinated refusal of "conservative" elected officials to consider anything but support from the fossil fuels business "community" when the significance of the signs and risks off global warming loom.

[Len Colby]

I don't make edits to your posts, Len. At most, I make a "reason for edit" comment, in "the reason fo edit" comment box, but it is my SOP to merely disapprove a post.

I serve on a moderating team, Len; a committee. I actually have little or no individual authority for you to refuse to comply with.

You report more posts of other members than any other active member, Len. You author more protest threads and protest posts than any other member.

Perhaps but almost all those reports and protests concern your abuse of the rules you are supposed to enforce this thread is a perfect example. And if I really “report more posts of other members than any other active member” then you guys must not be very busy, correct me if I’m wrong but IIRC in the last 6 months I’ve only reported 1 or 2 posts by Gaal, obviously justified since he was suspended (though I didn’t report the posts that led to his ‘last warning’ or suspension), I reported that a member was using a photo of a famous singer as his avatar and I complained 2 or 3 (or was it 4) times about your blatant abuses of the rules. I don’t care that much about others but hold moderators to a higher standard. Go ahead please post all the reports I’ve made in the last 6 months.

You are also a hypocrite, you admonished David for ‘questioning my motives’ and edited out the offending portion (even though I hadn’t reported it, then less than 24 hours later you did the exact same thing.

You can measure the results of what you are doing? Observing the effects of what you are doing, they seem to be opposite of your intended consequences. Have you noticed that there is very little reaction in proportion to the sheer number of reports of post and protests you generate?

Where do you suppose my "authority" you refuse to submit to, still comes from, Len? Very little that goes on in the Ed Forum escapes your notice. You make sure we all know this. I am not exactly a beer drinking buddy of John Simkin, and I do not seem all that closely aligned with any other moderator or administrator.

I'll let you in on a li'l secret, Len. I'm not overruled by the other members of the mod team all that often because they know from experience that my more active than average role here is a thankless, irritating job, and they don't want a greater part in it than they have, now. One of the aggravations they seem to have had enough of happens to be you, Len.

In other words you think due your “thankless” martyrdom you should be give leeway to ignore the rules.

You ought to be able to figure out that this is a circular dilemma. The more you do what you do, the more support I receive from the other members of the team. Thank you,

Len! If not for you, John Simkin would probably have replaced me.

In others I’m not the only person who thinks you are unfit, that doesn’t do much for your case.

I'll move the thread to another area of the Political Conspiracies section, soon. The conspiracy I see is the coordinated refusal of "conservative" elected officials to consider anything but support from the fossil fuels business "community" when the significance of the signs and risks off global warming loom.

Whatever you know and knew it has no place here but where so impressed with your brilliant (in your own mind) insight you decided to foist it on the JFK Assassination forum. I note didn’t even try to justify posting here.

[Steven Gaal]

SANDY IN PERPECTIVE

wiki

Most intense (by minimum surface air pressure)

Most intense ever recorded: 870 mbar (25.63 inHg); eye of Super Typhoon Tip over the Pacific Ocean, 12 October 1979.[75]

Most intense in the Western Hemisphere: 882 mb (26.05 inHg); eye of Hurricane Wilma, 19 October 2005.[126]

Most intense ever recorded on land: 892 mb (26.35 inHg); Craig's Key, Florida, eye of the Labor Day Hurricane, 2 September 1935. While other landfalling tropical cyclones potentially had lower pressures, data is vague from areas other than the Atlantic basin, especially before the invention of weather satellites.[127]

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Lowest Barometric Pressures Ever Measured (900 mlb or lower)*

**RANK PRESSURE LOCATION DATE NAME

1)

870 (25.69)

W. Pacific

10/12/1979

Tip

2)

872 (25.75)

W. Pacific

10/19/1997

Joan

872 (25.75)

W. Pacific

10/18/1997

Ivan

872 (25.75)

W. Pacific

11/21/1992

Gay

3)

876 (25.86)

W. Pacific

9/23/1983

Forrest

876 (25.86)

W. Pacific

11/20/1975

June

4)

877 (25.89)

W. Pacific

10/5/1973

Nora

5)

878 (25.92)

W. Pacific

5/10/2000

Damrey

878 (25.92)

W. Pacific

10/14/1998

Zeb

878 (25.92)

W. Pacific

11/2/1997

Keith

878 (25.92)

W. Pacific

10/11/1992

Yvette

878 (25.92)

W. Pacific

10/23/1978

Rita

879 (25.95)

W. Pacific

8/23/2004

Chaba

6)

879 (25.95)

W. Pacific

12/17/2001

Faxai

879 (25.95)

W. Pacific

10/30/1995

Angela

879 (25.95)

W. Pacific

10/24/1984

Vanessa

7)

882 (26.05)

Caribbean

10/19/2005

Wilma

882 (26.05)

W. Pacific

9/13/1961

Nancey

882 (26.05)

W. Pacific

10/7/1961

Violet

9)

884 (26.11)

W. Pacific

11/11/1971

Irma

10)

885 (26.14)

W. Pacific

6/17/2004

Dianmu

885 (26.14)

W. Pacific

9/9/2003

Maemi

885 (26.14)

W. Pacific

11/27/1991

Yuri

885 (26.14)

W. Pacific

11/10/1990

Mike

11)

886 (26.16)

W. Pacific

12/16/1900

SS Arethusa

12)

887 (26.18)

W. Pacific

8/20/1979

Judy

887 (26.18)

W. Pacific

8/18/1927

SS Sapoeroea

13)

888 (26.22)

Caribbean

11/13/1988

Gilbert

888 (26.22)

W. Pacific

8/10/1983

Abby

14)

890 (26.27)

W. Pacific

8/8/1980

Wynke

890 (26.27)

W. Pacific

9/22/1969

Elsie

890 (26.27)

W. Pacific

11/13/1967

Gilda

891 (26.30)

W. Pacific

6/17/2003

Lupit

15)

891 (26.30)

W. Pacific

9/15/1990

Flo

891 (26.30)

W. Pacific

8/12/1987

Betty

891 (26.30)

W. Pacific

11/23/1987

Nima

891 (26.30)

W. Pacific

8/27/1959

Joan

891 (26.30)

Bay of Bengal

1833

SS Duke of York

16)

892 (26.35)

W. Pacific

4/20/1997

Isa

892 (26.35)

W. Pacific

9/27/1997

Ginger

892 (26.35)

W. Pacific

11/3/1992

Elsie

892 (26.35)

W. Pacific

10/24/1991

Ruth

*** 892 (26.35)

Long Key, Florida

9/5/1935

Labor Day Storm

17)

893 (26.37)

W. Pacific

9/26/1981

Elysie

893 (26.37)

W. Pacific

10/15/1973

Patsy

18)

894 (26.39)

W. Pacific

9/6/1964

Sally

19)

895 (26.39)

W. Pacific

10/4/1982

Mac

895 (26.42)

W. Pacific

11/3/1976

Louise

895 (26.42)

W. Pacific

5/3/1971

Amy

895 (26.42)

W. Pacific

9/23/1970

Hope

20)

896 (26.45)

W. Pacific

11/3/1983

Marge

896 (26.45)

W. Pacific

9/24/1959

Vera

21)

897 (26.48)

Gulf of Mexico

9/21/2005

Rita

897 (26.48)

W. Pacific

10/17/1985

Dot

897 (26.48)

W. Pacific

7/25/1969

Viola

897 (26.48)

W. Pacific

11/12/1962

Karen

22)

898 (26.51)

W. Pacific

10/6/2004

Ma-On

898 (26.51)

W. Pacific

5/16/2004

Nida

898 (26.51)

W. Pacific

3/9/2002

Hary

898 (26.51)

W. Pacific

10/23/2001

Podul

898 (26.51)

W. Pacific

9/7/2000

Saomai

898 (26.51)

W. Pacific

8/21/2000

Bilis

898 (26.51)

W. Pacific

9/20/1999

Bart

898 (26.51)

W. Pacific

9/11/1997

Oliwa

898 (26.51)

W. Pacific

8/13/1997

Winnie

898 (26.51)

W. Pacific

7/23/1997

Rosie

898 (26.51)

W. Pacific

6/10/1997

Nestor

898 (26.51)

W. Pacific

11/7/1996

Dale

898 (26.51)

W. Pacific

9/7/1996

Sally

898 (26.51)

W. Pacific

7/25/1996

Herd

898 (26.51)

W. Pacific

7/16/1996

Eve

898 (26.51)

W. Pacific

10/18/1995

Ward

898 (26.51)

W. Pacific

9/14/1995

Oscar

898 (26.51)

W. Pacific

8/28/1995

Kent

898 (26.51)

W. Pacific

8/7/1994

Doug

898 (26.51)

W. Pacific

10/4/1993

Ed

898 (26.51)

W. Pacific

5/10/1991

Walt

898 (26.51)

W. Pacific

11/26/1990

Owen

898 (26.51)

W. Pacific

11/22/1990

Page

898 (26.51)

W. Pacific

11/30/1989

Nima

898 (26.51)

W. Pacific

10/18/1989

Elsie

898 (26.51)

W. Pacific

7/14/1989

Gordon

898 (26.51)

W. Pacific

4/21/1989

Andy

898 (26.51)

W. Pacific

10/4/1988

Nelson

898 (26.51)

W. Pacific

10/20/1987

Lynn

898 (26.51)

W. Pacific

9/8/1987

Holly

898 (26.51)

W. Pacific

7/29/1979

Hope

898 (26.51)

W. Pacific

7/23/1971

Nadine

23)

899 (26.54)

Caribbean

8/7/1980

Allen

* With the exception of a handful of lucky observations by ships, data prior to 1950 is inconclusive. Western Pacific typhoons were not consistently investigated by aircraft until 1959. Lower pressures undoubtedly occurred in earlier years in the Atlantic Basin before hurricane-hunting aircraft began making routine surveillance of tropical storms in 1950. So these records really represent only about 50 years of observation.

** Ranking has been made chronologically, with more recent measurements ranking first.

*** This is the lowest pressure ever observed at a land station.

[David Josephs]

My family and I have been in Ventnor City... about 3 miles south of AC for almost 100 years..

Been thru MANY storms, Hurricanes, last year's freak windstorm and Irene... there has NEVER been water on Atlantic and Ventnor avenues...

The Longport Marina photo - bottom right across inlet - is where we keep our boats... that photo shows about $50 million worth of homes with sand left from the water that went from ocean to Inlet..

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Maybe Len can find some humanity under all his complaining...

Maybe - just maybe, Len can turn the channel when he doesn't like the show rather than yelling at the TV

In years past you actually "contributed" here, I used to enjoy reading your POV... you seemed to have knowledge and the ability to discuss...

Now you just keep sounding like a whiny child... on thread after thread after thread.

So big bad Tom hurt your feelings... take a hint:

Edited March 7, 2017 by David Josephs
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[Len Colby]

Get off it David, it has nothing to do with concern about how people fared during Sandy and how they have been since (“humanity”). Tom started this thread to make a political point, the fact that I largely agree with him is irrelevant. He knew it would get less attention elsewhere so posted it here. If you or I had done such a thing the thread would have been quickly moved. Tom is a hypocrite he moved threads that had some relevance to the assassination, and it wasn’t the 1^st time he has violated a rule after enforcing it against others.

‘Whining”???, “hurt my feelings”??? hardly, he does piss me off though, his hypocrisy and arrogance irritates me.