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You mean the rifle with which the WC tried testing with both military snipers and FBI agents and they could not do what Oswald did?

You mean the rifle that professional rifle men could not even use to do tests on because the scope was misaligned, the pull was too hard, and the firing mechanism too fragile?

I don't think that's true, is it? Wasn't it demonstrated that it was possible to fire the weapon in the time frame that Oswald needed with the required level of accuracy. Is this something that CT'ers tend to forget? If the scope was misaligned to the extent that it was unusable, Oswald could have fired over open sights. In any case, it isn't clear whether the scope became misaligned after it was found on the sixth floor. Sure the firing mechanism may be described as 'fragile', in that it often jammed. But it didn't always jam, did it? It would be quite possible to fire three shots without jamming.

You mean the rifle which does not match up to the bullet identified by O. P. Wright, chief of security at Parkland, and former Sheriff's deputy?

I mean the rifle that ballistics matched to CE399 and other bullet fragments recovered after the assassination. Try sticking to best evidence, Jim.

Then you must mean the NAA tests right?

Except those have been exposed as being phony junk science by two teams of specialists, both including a metallurgist and statistician. So much so that the FBI will never use them in court again.

What's wrong with Neutron Activation Analysis then Jim? Enlighten us. My understanding (I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong) is that NAA studies were carried out twice on the bullet fragments, and both sets of results were valid, and both strongly suggested that the fragments came from two bullets and were fired from Oswald's rifle to the exclusion of all other rifles.

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Then you must mean the ammo right?

Except no one could find any of this ammo in Oswald's belongings after the assassination. Even though both the FBI and DPD went through them thoroughly for days. And this would have had to have been the case since the WC says there were only four bullets used. No gun shop sells single bullets. And the FBI cased the Fort Worth-Dallas area. Nobody recalled selling Oswald that ammo. So what do you think Paulie? Someone gave him four bullets and said, "Kill Kennedy with these?"

"No gun shop sells single bullets." I'm not sure what you're getting at here Jimbo, me ol' mucker.

Let's assume that you're right, that no gun shop sells single bullets. What happens if I buy a box of bullets from one of these shops that doesn't sell single bullets, and use them all except for one. Here I am with a single bullet. Should I expect it to vanish in a puff of warped DiEugenio logic?

What happens if, say, Oswald bought the bullets somewhere other than the Fort Worth-Dallas area? What if he did buy them in the Fort Worth-Dallas area some time ago, and the seller forgot what at the time was no doubt quite a mundane experience?

So you haven't proved that Oswald didn't buy the ammo. But even then, he didn't have to, did he? He could have got the bullets by some other means.

Oh, you must mean the shells found at the scene then, even though Oswald didn't buy the ammo.

You mean the shells that were rearranged by the DPD, since they looked too suspicious there within a few inches of each other? And when the FBI tested the ejection pattern, nothing even close to that happened. Or CE 543, which could not have been fired that day and had to have been dry loaded to emerge with the dent it had on it?

Are you referring to the hulls found in a neat line on the sixth floor? I'm not sure. That's just one of those popular fallacies that you lot like to spread about the place to inject doubt. Say Jim, what did those employees beneath the sniper's nest at the time of the shooting hear hitting the floor above? Are you seriously suggesting that the conspirators took the time to move them into an unconvincing position afterwards? Not the sharpest tools in the box are they, these consiprators? It's a wonder they've managed to evade detection for half a century!

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There now exists a mountain of “credible evidence” that proves, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the fraud and corruption of the Dallas Police Department, the FBI, the Secret Service, the CIA, the MSM and the Warren Commission.

Lee, I really hate to piss on your bonfire, but this simply isn't true.

Idiots like you stand in the way of truth and your behaviour is an insult to the likes of Bill Kelly who has spent his entire life demanding truth and justice concerning the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King and Robert F. Kennedy.

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I'm going to tell teacher that you called me a bad name.

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You cannot walk Through the hedges that's why it is called a maze,

It kills the whole concept of discovery.

Would you want to be convicted on this type of "evidence"?.

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Would you want to be convicted on this type of "evidence"?.

Of course not, but I'd fully expect to be.

So you're one of those people that thinks there wouldn't have been enough evidence to convict Oswald. Perhaps you even think, like some loonies do, that he didn't commit any crime at all.

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Jim that is one of the things that bug me Oswald only had 4 rounds for the rifle and two differant types of ammo for the 38.

Did Oswald just walk into a store and buy only 4 rounds 5 if you believ he shot at Gen Walker.

Also why did Oswald have to differant types of 38 ammo? When a person buys any type of ammo it is all one type.

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Well Mark, to most people these are puzzling. You don't buy ammo that way.

The thing is also: Where did the boxes go?

But see, this is even sillier. In New Orleans, when Oswald was arrested, Quigley got one of his FPCC cards signed as Hidell.

In other words, Oswald knew the FBI knew about the alias.

But yet, we are to believe that Oswald would then use a rifle purchased IN THAT NAME THE FBI KNEW OF to kill Kennedy.

Makes absolutely no sense at all.

I have two different makes and types of ammo loaded in my bedside .357, the only ones of those types in my possession, and no boxes for either....And the 9mm has three different types in the mag. Lets not even talk about the .45....

Nothing unusual about it at all, unless you are trying to make something out of nothing, which is pretty much your standard course of action.

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This shows why Bakerism is incurable. A guy who simply does not know what he is talking about, but whose ignorance does not stand in the way of him making an ass of himself.

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Jim, why do you recycle the same crap over and over (and over) again?

What happened to the ammo boxes? Stretch your imagination here - perhaps Oswald threw the boxes in the garbage? Maybe he didn't use a box to take the ammunition he needed to kill the President to the TSBD. As Craig says, you're making something out of absolutely nothing. It's what you're good at.

You know about those backyard photos of Oswald holding his rifle, don't you? You have seen them? So, regardless of your rather pathetic attempts to cloud and obfuscate the issue, the simple fact of the matter is that Oswald owned the murder weapon. We know he ordered it and we know he received it. By all means continue firing the Bullxxxx Blunderbuss about the place, it can't alter that unassailable fact.

In the right hands, NAA is a reliable and accurate analytical technique. There were two NAA studies of CE399 and the recovered bullet fragments and they pointed to the same conclusion. Two bullets that originated from Oswald's rifle, in turn affirming the single bullet fact. But, in any case, the NAA evidence is probably superfluous. Without it, it's still an open and shut case.

As for the wrong rifle. Hasn't it been established that Klein's ran out of the model that Oswald ordered so sent him a different one? A better one, I believe. That was standard practice. No doubt you'll continue to regurgitate that particular discrepancy over and over (and over) again as if it has some sinister significance.

I guess you'll carry on recycling the same crap over and over ... as long as you can pull the wool over the eyes of idiots.

Paul.

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Not unless he had further magical powers that we are unaware of. Such as the ability to fire an invisible weapon down stairways and around corners from the second floor lunchroom.

Ok, you win. Oswald was in the second floor lunchroom as the shots were being fired.

After the President's head exploded, he really didn't do himself any favours by fleeing the TSBD (the building from which the shots were fired) and murdering a police officer (and attempting to murder another), did he? Silly Oswald!

You said something about my behaviour being disrespectful to those who have spent (wasted) their lives trying to uncover the truth (which was established, more or less, in the 24 hours after the murder). I think your behaviour is disrespectful to the memories of JFK and J.D.Tippit, and I find it incredible that people like you are prepared to defend the cowardly, psychopathic little scumbag that was Oswald. Shame on you.

Paul.

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It [NAA] won't be used again because there is no real science to it.

There's no real science to it? :D Whoa there Jimbo, don't start getting all highbrow on us. You might get mistaken for a man of letters.

Ruth Paine didn't find the box. No-one saw the box. Therefore Oswald didn't have any ammo and couldn't have shot the President. I can just see that being taken seriously in a court of law. Really, what planet are you on Jimbo?

Violation of postal rules, blah blah blah, magic money order blah blah blah. What are you trying to prove here? That Oswald didn't get the gun, or are you merely highlighting deficiencies in the US Postal Service circa 1963? It can't be the former, because ... (deep breath) ... THERE ARE PHOTOS OF OSWALD HOLDING THE MURDER WEAPON. One of them even has Oswald's signature on the back! Not even you can ignore that particular piece of incontrovertible evidence, Shirley?

Paul.

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I can read Paulie. And i both read and listened to Randich and Grant. Which you did not.

And I read the Spiegelman/Tobin piece.

If you can convince anyone here that you know more about the NAA, bullet lead composition testing than two metallurgists, and two statisticians with Ph. D.'s, then please do. These guys are all certified to testify in court. You are not. And never will be.

Jimbo, you're ignorance on this subject is demonstrated by use of the phrase 'there is no real science to it'.

Maybe you have not noticed, but I have not referred to the BYP. I don't think anyone who has any experience in this debate will. They have been argued over forever, as has been the writing. Once it was said it was Marina's writing.

Of course I've noticed. As you are aware, there is more than one body of handwritten text on the back of that photo. The passage (paraphrasing) "To my friend George de Mohrenschildt* [...] from Lee Harvey Oswald" was identified as being in Oswald's handwriting. Scrutiny of the photographs and the negatives has shown that they are genuine. And, of course, Marina admitted to having taken them.

Paul

* This word is probably spelled incorrectly.

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