Who would you choose as the "face of JFK research" for the 50th Anniversary

[David Von Pein]

[Paul K.] O'Connor, were he alive today, would be quite surprised to hear that you know more about what he saw that night at Bethesda than he does.

Right back at ya, Daniel:

Dr. James J. Humes, were he alive today, would be quite surprised to hear that you know more about what he saw that night at Bethesda than he does.

Touche.

Or aren't I allowed to use Dr. Humes in my above "back at ya" argument, due to the fact that you believe Humes was a rotten and despicable xxxx who lied about everything under the sun concerning the autopsy report that he attached his signature to? (Although he evidently told the truth about the casket arriving at 6:45 PM, which is kind of odd since Humes is one of the key conspirators and "cover-up" operatives associated with this crazy multi-casket operation at Bethesda, don't you think?)

Well, okay, let me use Dr. Boswell then:

"The President arrived wrapped in sheets and a pillowcase around his head." -- J. Thornton Boswell; ARRB Testimony; February 26, 1996

Was Boswell still telling a bunch of lies in 1996, Daniel?

The plotters were not stupid but constrained by time and available resources. Stealing a body and covertly removing bullets not associated with Oswald's gun is not something that is practiced every day, and mistakes were made.

So, you think the Walter Reed body-alteration crew was forced to "wing it" when it came to the casket AND the body wrappings, eh?

They obviously COULD have simply wrapped JFK's altered body in the very same sheets that the body was wrapped in when the body-alteration crew took control of the body. But, instead, they decided it was a good idea to wrap the body in a body bag and discard the sheets altogether. (Who's gonna notice, right?)

And the simpletons at Walter Reed apparently thought that a cheap pink shipping casket would probably be a close enough match to replicating the casket that JFK left Parkland in, so the goofs at Walter Reed went with the cheap shipping casket too. (Again--who's gonna notice or care about the fact that Kennedy left Parkland in a nice expensive casket, but arrived at Bethesda in a coffin that would be better suited for Dracula's use in a Hammer horror film directed by Freddie Francis? Right?)

I love it.

Edited February 2, 2013 by David Von Pein

[Daniel Gallup]

[Paul K.] O'Connor, were he alive today, would be quite surprised to hear that you know more about what he saw that night at Bethesda than he does.

Right back at ya, Daniel:

Dr. James J. Humes, were he alive today, would be quite surprised to hear that you know more about what he saw that night at Bethesda than he does.

Touche.

Regarding Humes' testimony under oath for the ARRB and the time he first saw the President's body -- 6:45 p.m.--that didn't raise your interest? Didn't I show support for Humes by offering this testimony? Is he not my hero? I was hoping he would be yours as well, and that you would greet this admission of his with the same enthusiasm that I did. That would make us co-admirers of Humes, wouldn't it? Best regards, DAniel

[David Von Pein]

Replay (after an edit by me, which was edited just before I saw Daniel's last post):

"Or aren't I allowed to use Dr. Humes in my above "back at ya" argument, due to the fact that you believe Humes was a rotten and despicable xxxx who lied about everything under the sun concerning the autopsy report that he attached his signature to? (Although he evidently told the truth about the casket arriving at 6:45 PM, which is kind of odd since Humes is one of the key conspirators and "cover-up" operatives associated with this crazy multi-casket operation at Bethesda, don't you think?)" -- DVP

[David Von Pein]

Regarding Humes' testimony under oath for the ARRB and the time he first saw the President's body -- 6:45 p.m.--that didn't raise your interest? Didn't I show support for Humes by offering this testimony?

But he lied when he said this in 1964, right Dan?....

J.J. HUMES -- "The President's body was...wrapped in a sheet labeled by the Parkland Hospital."

[Daniel Gallup]

Replay (after an edit by me, which was edited just before I saw Daniel's last post):

"Or aren't I allowed to use Dr. Humes in my above "back at ya" argument, due to the fact that you believe Humes was a rotten and despicable xxxx who lied about everything under the sun concerning the autopsy report that he attached his signature to? (Although he evidently told the truth about the casket arriving at 6:45 PM, which is kind of odd since Humes is one of the key conspirators and "cover-up" operatives associated with this crazy multi-casket operation at Bethesda, don't you think?)" -- DVP

Humes is naturally my hero. He called attention to surgery of the head area, at the top of the skull. He called Perry and asked him if he had made any holes in the President's back. To me that is Humes' way of ascertaining if the wound in the back was made at Parkland, which shows Humes suspected that it was of dubious origin. To HUmes we have the strange but salient observation that the bullet that hit the President's head could only have entered from behind, and exited from behind. We have the obervation that the large defect in the president's skull was devoid of both scalp and bone. This was the area that was "chiefly parietal." Such a statement is grist for the mill for body alteration. Nothing like that was seen at Parkland. No DVP, Humes is and always will be my hero, and I hope with these new insights, that he is yours as well. Again, kind regards, Daniel

[David Von Pein]

But Humes lied about the body wrappings, right Dan?

[Daniel Gallup]

But Humes lied about the body wrappings, right Dan?

Why would he do that?

[David Von Pein]

Playing fun little games, eh Daniel? How nice.

[Cliff Varnell]

Arguing with the Lone Nutters and convincing them there was a conspiracy is a noble goal but not one that I think will change anything.

Rather, I think it more important to try to use the intense interest in the 50th anniversary to call attention to the yet unanswered questions and still withheld government records, without which we should not even begin to debate the subject.

I most heartily agree, but the minute you bring up unanswered questions, you raise the issue: "what are the unanswered questions?" and stir up a hornet's nest anyway.

It might be instructive to survey just what "the unanswered questions" are. Everyone's mileage is bound to vary.

To me the top unanswered question is -- "What happened to the bullets that struck JFK in the throat and back?"

Hornet's nest, indeed.

[David Von Pein]

To me the top unanswered question is -- "What happened to the bullets that struck JFK in the throat and back?"

This simplest, Occam's-like answer is the obvious truth, requiring no conspirators or cover-up agents or planted evidence:

One bullet went clean through JFK's body and then went into Governor Connally's body.

Simple. And logical.

Edited February 2, 2013 by David Von Pein

[Cliff Varnell]

To me the top unanswered question is -- "What happened to the bullets that struck JFK in the throat and back?"

This simplest, Occam's-like answer is the obvious truth, requiring no conspirators or cover-up agents or planted evidence:

One bullet went clean through JFK's body and then went into Governor Connally's body.

Simple. And logical.

Physically impossible given the location of the bullet holes in the clothing.

The SBT requires multiple inches of shirt and jacket fabric to bunch up entirely above the base of the neck.

On the corner of Main and Houston JFK's jacket was indented a fraction of an inch below the collar.

Edited February 2, 2013 by Cliff Varnell

[David Von Pein]

~~ Big yawn ~~

Edited February 2, 2013 by David Von Pein

[Cliff Varnell]

~~ Big yawn ~~

Not much to say, is there?

A while back, David, you acknowledged that JFK's jacket collar dropped. That drop occurred after the Weaver photo on Main and Houston.

You have publicly acknowledged the physical evidence which clearly demolishes the Single Bullet Fallacy.

Thank you for your contribution, David.

[Craig Lamson]

~~ Big yawn ~~

Not much to say, is there?

A while back, David, you acknowledged that JFK's jacket collar dropped. That drop occurred after the Weaver photo on Main and Houston.

You have publicly acknowledged the physical evidence which clearly demolishes the Single Bullet Fallacy.

Thank you for your contribution, David.

Still can't figure out how the sun works can you cliff? As usual you get it all wrong. REALLY big yawn.....

[Cliff Varnell]

The above--taken from the link to DVP's site-- really sums up who DVP is, and why it is crazy to try and argue with him.

Jim, you've spent a million words arguing with David over dozens of points.

On the other hand, I don't argue with David. Our exchanges are refreshingly brief.

I post a photo comparison and he has nothing to say. (btw, thanks to Jeanne Davison, again, for providing the JFK on a plane photo.)

This photo comparison precludes rebuttal -- the fabric folds are totally dissimilar, there was no significant elevation of the shirt and jacket in Dealey Plaza.

Howling at the sun doesn't count as an argument, Jim.

Edited February 2, 2013 by Cliff Varnell