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I thought I would start a thread on lyrics relating to the assassination, I notice in a rolling stones song which I think is jumping jack flash mick jagger says "who killed the kennedys", there is also a song called "the ballad of billy sol estes" , has anybody else got examples. I have heard that elvis was very interested in the assassination and looked into it personaly, can anyone confirm this?

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I thought I would start a thread on lyrics relating to the assassination, I notice in a rolling stones song which I think is jumping jack flash mick jagger says "who killed the kennedys", there is also a song called "the ballad of billy sol estes" , has anybody else got examples. I have heard that elvis was very interested in the assassination and looked into  it personaly, can anyone confirm this?

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The Rolling Stones' song to which you refer was "Sympathy for the Devil."

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The Ballad of Billie Sol (Phil Ochs)

Billie Sol was a man

From the giant Texas land

He put the Chamber of Commerce on a limb

They voted him the best

And the government did no less

Until the I.O.U.'s of Texas fell on him

Stand tall, Billie Sol, we don't know you at all

We've taken down your pictures from the wall

Well, we don't want to handle an agriculture scandal

We have got to face elections in the fall

I remember when

Bill had influential friends

He celebrated Christmas every day

He filled Texas banks with his fertilizer tanks

Influential friends don't die they only fade away

Stand tall, Billie Sol, we don't know you at all

We've taken down your pictures from the wall

Well, we don't want to handle an agriculture scandal

We have got to face elections in the fall

The democrats deny

And Orville Freeman sighs

He said "Everyone around was fair and square"

But He was no more convincing

than Ezra Taft Benson

As resignations cropped up everywhere

Stand tall, Billie Sol, we don't know you at all

We've taken down your pictures from the wall

Well, we don't want to handle an agriculture scandal

We have got to face elections in the fall

And now I'd like to say

that crime sure doesn't pay

But if you want to make some money on the sly

Well you can always rent

The U.S. Government

It's the best one that money can buy.

Stand tall, Billie Sol

We don't know you at all

We've take down your pictures from the wall

Well, we don't want to handle

and agriculture scandal

We have got to face elections in the fall

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Other songs where the assassination gets a mention are -

The Brain Of JFK - Pearl Jam

We Didn't Start The Fire - Billy Joel

Mommy And Daddy - The Monkees

The most hard hitting though is Hadda Be Playing On The Jukebox by Rage Against The Machine.

The lyrics were composed by Allen Ginsberg (see below)

James

*****************************

It had to be flashin’ like the daily double

It had to be playin’ on tv

It had to be loud mouthed on the comedy hour

It had to be announced over loud speakers

The cia and mafia are in cahoots

It had to be said in old ladies’ language

It had to be said in american headlines

Kennedy stretched and smiled and got double crossed by lowlife goons and

agents

Rich bankers with criminal connections

Dope pushers in cia working with dope pushers from cuba working with a big

time

Syndicate from tampa, florida

And it had to be said with a big mouth

It had to be moaned over factory foghorns

It had to be chattered on car radio news broadcasts

It had to be screamed in the kitchen

It had to be yelled in the basement where uncles were fighting

It had to be howled on the streets by newsboys to bus conductors

It had to be foghorned into new york harbor

It had to echo onto hard hats

It had to turn up the volume in university ballrooms

It had to be written in library books, footnoted

It had to be in the headlines of the times and the mind

It had to be barked on tv

It had to be heard in alleys through ballroom doors

It had to be played on wire services

It had to be bells ringing

Comedians stopped dead in the middle of a joke in las vegas

It had to be fbi chief j. edgar hoover and frank costello syndicate

Mouthpiece meeting in central park, new york weekends,

Reported time magazine

It had to be the mafia and the cia together starting war on cuba,

Bay of pigs and poison assassination headlines

It had to be dope cops in the mafia

Who sold all their heroin in america

It had to be the fbi and organized crime working together

In cahoots against the commies

It had to be ringing on multinational cash registers

World-wide laundry for organized criminal money

It had to be the cia and the mafia and the fbi together

They were bigger than nixon

And they were bigger that war

It had to be a large room full of murder

It had to be a mounted ass- a solid mass of rage

A red hot pen

A scream in the back of the throat

It had to be a kid that can breathe

It had to be in rockefellers’ mouth

It had to be central intelligence, the family, allofthis, the agency mafia

It had to be organized crime

One big set of gangs working together in cahoots

Hitmen

Murderers everywhere

The secret

The drunk

The brutal

The dirty rich

On top of a slag heap of prisons

Industrial cancer

Plutonium smog

Garbage cities

Grandmas’ bed soft from fathers’ resentment

It had to be the rulers

They wanted law and order

And they got rich on wanting protection for the status quo

They wanted junkies

They wanted attica

They wanted kent state

They wanted war in indochina

It had to be the cia and the mafia and the fbi

Multinational capitalists

Strong armed squads

Private detective agencies for the rich

And their armies and navies and their air force bombing planes

It had to be capitalism

The vortex of this rage

This competition

Man to man

The horses head in a capitalists’ bed

The cuban turf

It rumbles in hitmen

And gang wars across oceans

Bombing cambodia settled the score when soviet pilots

Manned egyptian fighter planes

Chiles’ red democracy

Bumped off with white house pots and pans

A warning to mediterranean governments

The secret police have been embraced for decades

The nkpd and cia keep each other’s secrets

The ogbu and dia never hit their own

The kgb and the fbi are one mind

Brute force and full of money

Brute force, world-wide, and full of money

Brute force, world-wide, and full of money

Brute force, world-wide, and full of money

Brute force, world-wide, and full of money

It had to be rich and it had to be powerful

They had to murder in indonesia 500000

They had to murder in indochina 2000000

They had to murder in czechoslovakia

They had to murder in chile

They had to murder in russia

And they had to murder in america

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The most hard hitting though is Hadda Be Playing On The Jukebox by Rage Against The Machine.

The lyrics were composed by Allen Ginsberg (see below)

James

*****************************

It had to be flashin’ like the daily double

It had to be playin’ on tv

It had to be loud mouthed on the comedy hour

It had to be announced over loud speakers

The cia and mafia are in cahoots

It had to be said in old ladies’ language

It had to be said in american headlines

Kennedy stretched and smiled and got double crossed by lowlife goons and

agents

Rich bankers with criminal connections

Dope pushers in cia working with dope pushers from cuba working with a big

time

Syndicate from tampa, florida

And it had to be said with a big mouth

It had to be moaned over factory foghorns

It had to be chattered on car radio news broadcasts

It had to be screamed in the kitchen

It had to be yelled in the basement where uncles were fighting

It had to be howled on the streets by newsboys to bus conductors

It had to be foghorned into new york harbor

It had to echo onto hard hats

It had to turn up the volume in university ballrooms

It had to be written in library books, footnoted

It had to be in the headlines of the times and the mind

It had to be barked on tv

It had to be heard in alleys through ballroom doors

It had to be played on wire services

It had to be bells ringing

Comedians stopped dead in the middle of a joke in las vegas

It had to be fbi chief j. edgar hoover and frank costello syndicate

Mouthpiece meeting in central park, new york weekends,

Reported time magazine

It had to be the mafia and the cia together starting war on cuba,

Bay of pigs and poison assassination headlines

It had to be dope cops in the mafia

Who sold all their heroin in america

It had to be the fbi and organized crime working together

In cahoots against the commies

It had to be ringing on multinational cash registers

World-wide laundry for organized criminal money

It had to be the cia and the mafia and the fbi together

They were bigger than nixon

And they were bigger that war

It had to be a large room full of murder

It had to be a mounted ass- a solid mass of rage

A red hot pen

A scream in the back of the throat

It had to be a kid that can breathe

It had to be in rockefellers’ mouth

It had to be central intelligence, the family, allofthis, the agency mafia

It had to be organized crime

One big set of gangs working together in cahoots

Hitmen

Murderers everywhere

The secret

The drunk

The brutal

The dirty rich

On top of a slag heap of prisons

Industrial cancer

Plutonium smog

Garbage cities

Grandmas’ bed soft from fathers’ resentment

It had to be the rulers

They wanted law and order

And they got rich on wanting protection for the status quo

They wanted junkies

They wanted attica

They wanted kent state

They wanted war in indochina

It had to be the cia and the mafia and the fbi

Multinational capitalists

Strong armed squads

Private detective agencies for the rich

And their armies and navies and their air force bombing planes

It had to be capitalism

The vortex of this rage

This competition

Man to man

The horses head in a capitalists’ bed

The cuban turf

It rumbles in hitmen

And gang wars across oceans

Bombing cambodia settled the score when soviet pilots

Manned egyptian fighter planes

Chiles’ red democracy

Bumped off with white house pots and pans

A warning to mediterranean governments

The secret police have been embraced for decades

The nkpd and cia keep each other’s secrets

The ogbu and dia never hit their own

The kgb and the fbi are one mind

Brute force and full of money

Brute force, world-wide, and full of money

Brute force, world-wide, and full of money

Brute force, world-wide, and full of money

Brute force, world-wide, and full of money

It had to be rich and it had to be powerful

They had to murder in indonesia 500000

They had to murder in indochina 2000000

They had to murder in czechoslovakia

They had to murder in chile

They had to murder in russia

And they had to murder in america

James - Thanks for that. I'm speechless. And sad for all of us.

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Thanks Jim, I agree with Tim.

Thats a great song

Lyrics by Allen Ginsburg and performed by Rage Against the Machine...

Don't forget "Abraham, Martin and John"

and then there is the punk rock "Dead Kennedys" band...

there is the Blue Oyster Cult song

"When the bullet hits the bone"

and U2's "Bullet the Blue Sky" on the general theme...

but the best was

"I shouted out who killed the Kennedys?

when after all it was you and I"

jagger/richards

..........shanet

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Thanks Jim, I agree with Tim.

Thats a great song

Lyrics by Allen Ginsburg and performed by Rage Against the Machine...

Don't forget "Abraham, Martin and John"

and then there is the punk rock "Dead Kennedys" band...

there is the Blue Oyster Cult song

"When the bullet hits the bone"

and U2's "Bullet the Blue Sky" on the general theme...

but the best was

"I shouted out who killed the Kennedys?

when in fact it was you and I"

jagger/richards

Add Dan Hill, "Growing Up"

Dave

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Not directly about the assassination of JFK, but still appropriate.

Tom Paxton, What Did You Learn in School Today?

What did you learn in school today,

Dear little boy of mine?

What did you learn in school today,

Dear little boy of mine?

I learned that Washington never told a lie.

I learned that soldiers seldom die.

I learned that everybody's free.

And that's what the teacher said to me.

That's what I learned in school today.

That's what I learned in school.

What did you learn in school today,

Dear little boy of mine?

What did you learn in school today,

Dear little boy of mine?

I learned that policemen are my friends.

I learned that justice never ends.

I learned that murderers die for their crimes.

Even if we make a mistake sometimes.

That's what I learned in school today.

That's what I learned in school.

What did you learn in school today,

Dear little boy of mine?

What did you learn in school today,

Dear little boy of mine?

I learned our government must be strong.

It's always right and never wrong.

Our leaders are the finest men.

And we elect them again and again.

That's what I learned in school today.

That's what I learned in school.

What did you learn in school today,

Dear little boy of mine?

What did you learn in school today,

Dear little boy of mine?

I learned that war is not so bad.

I learned of the great ones we have had.

We fought in Germany and in France.

And some day I might get my chance.

That's what I learned in school today.

That's what I learned in school.

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John,

Crucifixion by Phil Ochs

Here are two of the verses:

Then this overflow of life is crushed into a xxxx

The gentle soul is ripped apart and tossed into the fire.

First a smile of rejection at the nearness of the night

Truth becomes a tragedy limping from the light

All the (canons|heavens) are horrified, they stagger from the sight

As the cross is trembling with desire.

They say they can't believe it, it's a sacreligious shame

Now, who would want to hurt such a hero of the game?

But you know I predicted it; I knew he had to fall

How did it happen? I hope his suffering was small.

Tell me every detail, I've got to know it all,

And do you have a picture of the pain?

That was the President by Phil Ochs:

One verse:

Every thing he might have done and all he could have been

Was proven by the troubled traitors hand

For what other death could wound the hearts of so many men

That was the President and that was the man.

CIA MAN by The Fugs

Who can change the President #&^* A CIA man...

I also have a number of songs on Oswald and Ruby by various unknown bands/singers.

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A few years ago I wrote a song from the other point of view in mind.

What would Gen. Ed Lansdale think, want to say?

I thought it was ironic that he quit the CIA, air force cover job,

The end of Oct 63 and went to work for C.A.R.E organization,

the first into third world counties... hmm.

That and he was photographed in Dealey Plaza Nov 22/63 and had a hand

in sending Col. Fletcher Prouty to the south pole for all of Nov 63.

Lansdale was "Gen Y" in Oliver Stone's film.

Anyway I feel he would have been proud of his work

and even though he couldn't... would have liked to brag.

I also imagined a secret dinner afterwords to thank those involved,

so as not to mention who did what... but that

Allen Dulles would thank them all.

That way I could name names I got from a document from Fletcher

but keeping it to lyrics in a song.

The quote "very clever planning" is Fletcher Prouty.

"The Ballad Of Ed Lansdale"

http://www.blackopradio.com/lansdale_song.html

Len Osanic

PS. Turn it up loud <g>

The war machine drills, hammers, saw is all me

and I played Guitar and arranged it.

Singer is Ralph White.

It's not the most complicated thing I produced,

but it was the biggest recording... 102 tracks used!

Let me know what you think.

osanic@prouty.org

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Good one, Len.

Lansdale below (2nd from left) with that thug Oliver North far right (literally).  B)

James

Jim, you're the man.

What do you think of the theory

that the guy with his back turned in the "Bums at the fence"

photo is Ed Lansdale?

What other evidence is there on him being in Dallas 11/22?

That whole thing about Prouty reading about Oswald

in New Zealand immediately after the murders, you know anything

about that? THe Christchurch papers had the whole frame ahead of time?

I always thought Prouty was a key source.

Not much on him in the FORUM, I guess its "understood"

you know, foundational material---or is Prouty not widely believed?

I would trust your take on this, based on experience

Ollie and Lansdale together---that's priceless....

Shanet

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Shanet,

As to the possible Lansdale photo with the tramps, I am still sitting on the fence with that one. My reasons are that I'm not convinced on the 3 Tramps photographs themselves. To me, they look staged which is balking me from any kind of solid commitment to the issue.

E. Howard Hunt, Chauncey Holt, Charles Harrelson, Charles Rogers and a host of others having been offered as to who these guys were. If the photographs weren't staged to create confusion and or disinformation then they have certainly served that purpose. I have been guilty of stirring the pot myself with some proposed identifications (see below). What I don't buy is the official Doyle, Gedney and Abrams identifications.

Having said that, the individual below sure looks like Ed Lansdale. There certainly was a host of suspicious looking individuals wandering around Dealey Plaza that day. B)

Prouty has some passionate supporters and his information seems very solid even though the likes of McAdams have gone after him. Personally I have never looked at the timelines regarding him being in New Zealand and the suspicious timing of the local reporting so I can't comment there.

All in all, Lansdale was in a position to be a part of the Dallas operation, I just haven't locked him in as a definite possible.

FWIW.

James

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Thanks Jim

good answer

Wise to say less

The bum photos definitely have served as DISINFO,

The theory that they are Hunt, Harrelson and an Algerian hitman

still rings thru, but the whole thing is fishy, with other people admitting it is really them.......as for Ed Lansdale....

Prouty (or anyone) goes out on a limb when he

positively I.D.'s someone from a photo from behind.

thanks

I don't have the URL handy,

but there's plenty on the web about the problems Prouty saw in the

Christchurch, New Zealand newspapers circa November 23, 1963

and Fletcher Prouty's contribution to the debate.

Thanks again for the Nugan Hand/Colby material...and the Whitlam stuff...

Shanet

ANY MORE SONGS?

THIS IS THE MUSIC THREAD.....

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James,

Incredible photo of Lansdale and Ollie. I need a copy of that photo you posted earlier this week with the tents and nine or ten gentlemen in it. I can't remember or find which thead it's on. I'm kicking myself that I didn't save it at the time. Please.

Tim

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