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The importance of the Lyndon Johnson/Mary Margaret Valenti (nee Wiley) relationship


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The importance is Mary Margaret Valenti (nee Wiley) was Lyndon Johnson's most important mistress and she is alive today in the year 2013 at the age of 80. Mary Margaret was with LBJ as a secretary/mistress from the mid 1950's when LBJ was at the peak of his power as Majority Leader in the US Senate, through his time as Vice President and she would often bring their daughter Courtenay Lynda Valenti to see him in the White House after the JFK assassination.

I have had 2 people who were contemporaries of Mary Margaret tell me that, of course, she was LBJ's mistress and that Courtenay Lynda Valenti is the biological daughter of Lyndon Johnson.

I have also had a third person who knew the Johnsons pretty much confirm this as well as I broached this delicate topic.

Mary Margaret Valenti is important because she may know inner circle details of the JFK assassination, the cover up of the JFK assassination & details of the noxious relationship between Lyndon Johnson and the Kennedys.

Lyndon Johnson spent far, far more time with Mary Margaret Wiley (later Valenti) than he ever did with Madeleine Brown, yet another very important LBJ mistress. If LBJ told Madeleine Brown that Dallas, TX oil executives and the CIA were behind the JFK assassination, there is no telling what he told Mary Margaret.

Mary Margaret Valenti is alive today and someone knowledgeable needs to be asking her the right questions and see if she can add to the historical record. She has given a few oral histories to the LBJ Library but they do not touch on the most important topics.

Mary Margaret was born in 1932. She attended the University of Texas from 1949 to 1955. She later returned and finished her BA in August of 1957. It was probably during her time period as a student at the Univ. of Texas that Mary Margaret when to work in LBJ's Senate office in Austin. She later was moved to Washington, DC where she worked in LBJ's Senate office there.

Mary Margaret, at the age of 27, was at the 1960 Democratic convention in Los Angeles, where LBJ and Sam Rayburn made a hostile takeover of the vice presidency and she was often in LBJ's suite not far from where all the drama was going on.

Madeleine Brown knew all about the LBJ-Mary Margaret relationship and you can read about it in Noel Twymann's interview with her in "Bloody Treason." This adds to the credibility of Madeleine Brown - the fact that she knew such a closely guarded LBJ secret. (Madeleine calls her "Riley" though).

Basically, Bill Moyers (first) and later Jack Valenti were beards used to cover up the LBJ/Mary Margaret relationship, in other words, to give LBJ cover. Mary Margaret and Jack Valenti were married on June 1, 1962 and this was during the exact same period that Lyndon Johnson insisted that Madeleine Brown enter into a fake marriage to give LBJ cover for that relationship.

Jack Valenti obviously let Mary Margaret keep sleeping with LBJ because Courtenay Lynda Valenti was born 3 weeks before the JFK assassination and became known as "LBJ's baby in the White House."

Here is a summary of some public accounts of the LBJ/Mary Margaret Wiley (later Valenti) relationship:

“Dog Days at the White House: The Outrageous Memoirs of the Presidential Kennel Keeper” by Traphes Bryant on Lyndon Johnson, Courtenay Valenti, Jack Valenti, Mary Margaret Valenti

“Courtney was the most special child to come to the White House. She absolutely ruled the President and could make him “fetch and carry”any time she wanted to. The President gave special orders to be informed any time she came to see her daddy, LBJ’s special assistant, which was often.

Courtney’s mother, Mary Margaret, started out as LBJ’s receptionist in his Texas office when he was U.S. senator and then came to Washington as his personal secretary. She was the real beauty of the LBJ gang, and when she came to visit the White House, she rated extra kisses and a real fuss was made over her by the President. The President liked to relax in his office just sitting around talking to Mary Margaret.

Everyone was amazed when Mary Margaret – who was Mary Margaret Wiley – suddenly married Jack Valenti. Except those who say LBJ engineered the marriage. Maybe he wanted to keep her in the family. To him, Mary Margaret and Courtney were a family.

Time and time again LBJ would tell me to look out for Courtney. To be good to Courtney. To protect Courtney. To keep Blanco away from Courtney. Once he said, “You let anything happen to Courtney and I’ll hang your hide on the barn door.” In other words, the President liked that child.”

[Traphes Bryant, Dog Days at the White House: The Outrageous Memoirs of the presidential Kennel Keeper, 123-124]

“And I read in the newspapers that when LBJ died, with something like $25 million in his estate, he left his brother only a token gift - $25,000.

That is only a little more than he left Mary Margaret Valenti, mother of his beloved little Courtney, or that he left his trusted secretary Mary Rather.

[Dog Days at the White House, p. 132]

The President held up Valenti’s little girl, Courtney, and told her, “Look honey, here comes Bryant, Blanco and Him.” She wanted to play with the dogs. She led Blanco on a leash while I kept an eye on him. I made Blanco sit, and she petted Him. Then she hugged Blanco and called him “Blink.” Her Daddy pointed to the beagle and she said, “Him.” Valenti then pointed to the President and Courtney said, “Prez.” LBJ beamed ear to ear and kissed her nose.

[Dog Days at the White House, p. 142]

“As I was taking the pups into the Bouquet Room, President Johnson stopped and petted the pups. I told the President Courtney was playing with the pups but she had just left. The President was furious. “Why didn’t they let me know Courtney was here?”

He was really upset. “Damn it, I am supposed to be notified.” The President loved Courtney just as much as his own Luci and Lynda Bird – he once called her, “my little girl, my little heartbeat” – and certainly spent more time with her when she was around than with his big, busy daughters.

On almost any excuse, the President had Valenti or his wife bring Courtney to the White House and the President thoroughly relaxed as he played with the child, catering to her every whim.

[Dog Days at the White House, p. 155]

On 2/23/1966: The President greeted the Veep. Valenti’s secretary told Courtney to go see Daddy, who was on the helicopter. Courtney didn’t see her daddy as she ran toward the President, who lifted her up.

[Dog Days at the White House, p. 157]

3/2/1966: Courtney and her pups had their picture made. The President never gets tired of posing with Courtney. I told Mrs. Valenti that I wanted a picture of Courtney, the President, and pups. She said she would get me one.

[Dog Days at the White House, p. 158]

4/1/1966 The Prez came out of his office and played with Courtney. Then he took her back in. One of the pups gave her a kiss; she wiped it off her coat. The President gave the dogs some dog candy in his office. Courtney got jealous, closed the candy drawer on the President’s desk, and said, “That’s all.” She didn’t want the pups getting the Prez’s attention.

[Dog Days at the White House, p. 159]

Toward the end of Luci’s [wedding] reception the President got a little wistful because it was almost time for his daughter to leave on her honeymoon. The Prez stood with a bemused look on his face on the Truman Balcony, with little Courtney in his arms, surveying the mob below.

[Dog Days at the White House, p. 169]

8/15/1966 The Prez returned from Texas. He held Courtney at the window while they were landing so she could see Blanco and Beagle. The President carried her off the helicopter.

[Dog Days at the White House, p. 170]

3/12/67 Now the dogs have two doghouses with electric heat and a floodlight. The Prez showed it all to little Courtney. Courtney liked it. LBJ liked it.

[Dog Days at the White House, p. 179]

I realized I was stuck with Blanco and that I would have to protect everyone from the dog, especially Lyndon’s beloved Courtney. Luckily, little Courtney somehow had gotten through to Blanco, and she was about the only one besides Luci who could lead him around by the nose. I think Blanco liked Courtney almost as much as the President did. But I still watched the two pretty carefully as they romped about, remembering Lyndon’s warning that if anything happened to that little girl, he’d have my hide on the barn door. He would have, too.

[Dog Days at the White House, p. 187-188]

Harry McPherson on Mary Margaret Valenti

A "confidante" to Lyndon Johnson

Robert Morrow 3/28/12:

Harry McPherson was a key insider and assistant to Majority Leader Lyndon Johnson. He began work with him in 1956 and later served in key posts under Presidents Kennedy and Johnson.

He wrote a book "A Political Education: A Washington Memoir:"
http://www.amazon.co...32994231&sr=1-1

In it he mentions Mary Margaret Valenti. He also mentions the JFK assassination. He talks about tear being shed on the day of the JFK assassination by a Col. John Sitterson while he was in Tokyo.

Then McPherson writes: "The Johnsons were there because Bill Baxter's ministry had attracted Mrs. Johnson and Mary Margaret Valenti, a lovely woman who had served Johnson as secretary and confidante." [McPherson, "A Political Education," p. 214]


Mary Margaret Wiley, close LBJ aide/girlfriend, at the 1960 Democratic convention – later married Jack Valenti

“As befitted my role of spear carrier at that time, I was not mingling with LBJ, Sam Rayburn, John Connally, or any other big shots. Mary Margaret, my future wife, was there with Mrs. Johnson, in the majority leader’s suite. She was privy to some fascinating pieces of history as LBJ greeted Sam Rayburn, senators, congressmen, and other luminaries including Philip Graham, publisher of the Washington Post and a Johnson supporter.

I sat with other serfs and vassals in front of the TV set up in a large room for those working on the outer edges of the Johnson campaign. The TV announcer told us that Johnson had accepted an offer from JFK as his choice for the second spot. It had a stunning impact on the nation and most emphatically on the Texas delegation. I was caught by surprise – mind-boggled might be more accurate.”

[Jack Valenti, This Place, This Time, p. 65]

Lyndon Johnson and Mary Margaret Wiley, as told by Air Force One (and Two) pilot Col. Ralph Albertazzie

"Nor did Johnson make an effort to hide his fondness for the company of Mary Margaret Wiley, a pretty secretary who later married another LBJ aide, Jack Valenti. Johnson simply assumed that everybody understood his love for Lady Bird, and hers for him. Since there was no question about that in his own mind, he did not expect that people would see anything amiss with the flirtatious attention he delighted in paying other women. Lady Bird, secure in her own relationship with him, tolerated it all with rare good nature and some amusement.

On one occasion, what normally would have been a quick overnight flight out of Washington unexpectedly turned into a three-day safari. It was a classic example of Johnsonian whim.

Johnson had flown to Kansas City, Missouri, to address a Democratic fund-raising dinner. Since it was supposed to be a quick trip, only a handful of persons accompanied him: an ever-present pair of Secret Service agents, a military aide, and secretary Mary Margaret Wiley. Shortly after LBJ's arrival, a fire broke out in the kitchen of the hotel where the dinner was to be held, forcing cancellation of the event.

Albertazzie, who had given his crew the night off, heard about the blaze on a radio newscast while visiting friends in Kansas City. He hustled back to the airport, rounded up the crew, and hurriedly made preparations for what he supposed would be an immediate return to Washington.

As soon as Johnson and the others were aboard, Albertazzie started the engines, activated his Washington-bound flight plan, and contacted the tower. The plane was already taxiing to the runway when a hand tapped his shoulder. It was LBJ's Air Force aide. The Vice President, he said, didn't want to go back to Washington. He wanted to go to the ranch instead.

So they flew to Texas, landing at Bergsrom Air Force Base outside Austin. Johnson and his companions drove to the LBJ ranch. Albertazzie and the crew stayed on the base, since Johnson had said he wanted to fly back to Washington early the next day.

Everything was in readiness the following morning, but departure time came and went - and no Johnson. Finally, Albertazzie got a call from the ranch from Stuart Knight, LBJ's senior agent who later became Secret Service director. "The man doesn't want to go to Washington," Knight said. "He wants to go to New York. He says he and Mary Margaret are going to see 'Death of a Salesman' on Broadway, then they are going to have dinner, and then we'll fly home after that."

The visit of a President or Vice President to New York City is a formidable undertaking even when it is unofficial. The city's politicians like to put on a good show and, of course, Manhattan's traffic has to be surmounted. That requires a substantial police motorcycle escort, the blocking of ramps and side streets, much flashing of red lights and the blowing of sirens. Then there is the matter of security, so extraordinary precautions have to be taken, including the placement of policemen on all the bridges and at key points along the route from the airport to the heart of the city.

New York's finest were all over Idlewild and the parkway when Air Force Two swooped in for LBJ's theatre date. The crew stayed aboard, since it would only be a matter of a few hours before the plane would be on its way to Washington.

"Ten o'clock came, eleven o'clock came, and still no word," Albertazzie recalled. "Finally, about midnight, I heard from Stu Knight. The Vice President, he said, had decided to stay in New York overnight and would go to Washington the first thing in the morning ... about nine A.M."

So the cops were dismissed, and the crew and I moved the plane over to the Lockheed area for security and buttoned up for the night. We finally located some motel rooms and got to bed about 1:30 A.M. We were up again at 5:30 so we could get back to the plane and get it ready for departure at nine o'clock.

"Well, nine o'clock came and went and no sign of LBJ. About eleven o'clock, I located Stu Knight and asked, "What's happening?"

"'I don't know,' Stu said. 'Right now, the man is getting his hair cut. Then I think he is going to eat lunch. So it'll be some time after that before we get out of here. I'll call you if I find out.'"

Late in the afternoon, Albertazzie thought he detected increased police activity around the airport. Sure enough, about five o'clock, a motorcade with flashing red lights swept into view and stopped on the tarmac beside the plane. It was LBJ, along with Mary Margaret and the three aides. Albertazzie and the crew almost cheered.

Twenty minutes later, the plane was in the skies heading back to Washington. Johnson sent word up to the cockpit to "pour on the coal." He had a seven P.M. engagement and didn't want to be late.

[J.F. terHorst and Col. Ralph Albertazzie, The Flying White House: The Story of Air Force One, pp. 207-209]

Texas reporter Sarah McClendon: Bill Moyers was brought on as a “religious aide” to act as a beard covering up the Lyndon Johnson/Mary Margaret Wiley relationship

Bill Moyers had just begun handling the press for Lyndon at that time. Moyers, who’d graduated from Southwest Theological Institute in Fort Worth, had been brought to Washington because of another rumor: there had been speculation that LBJ’s relationship with his top secretary Mary Margaret Wiley had become an intimate as well as a professional one. Concerned, Lyndon had asked his good friend Harry Provence of the Waco Tribune and several other Texas editors to look for someone to prevent that kind of talk. And who better to give the Vice Presidential staff a more “sanctified” appearance than a young man headed for the ministry? So Moyers was hired on, ostensibly to deal with policy concerning religion and to answer letters that had a religious tone. In actuality, he was a chaperone who would travel with Lyndon and Mary Margaret to show that all was on the up-and-up.”

[sarah McClendon, “Mr President, Mr. President!: My Fifty Years of Covering the White House,” p. 92-93]

LBJ to Jack Valenti: "What do you mean, your little daughter?

C. R. Scholar says:


Lyndon B. Johnson by Earnest May and Timothy J. Nattal
Volumn 46
Page 380
Jack Valenti: I've been here with my little daughter, and I've been working.
LBJ: What do you mean, your little daughter?

Many portions of the taped conversations between Valenti, LBJ and Mary Margaret and LBJ are excised under deed of gift restriction. (No doubt because they contain sensitive & revealing conversations.)

"LBJ is 'Prez' to His Little Darling"

Reading Eagle, June 19, 1966:

Web link:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1955&dat=19660619&id=l7whAAAAIBAJ&sjid=fJwFAAAAIBAJ&pg=4538,1489530

Editor's Note - There are few persons outside the president's immediate family who have open-door access to him, but one who does has the temerity to call him "Prez" - and he just loves it. Who is this daring person? Why it's the president's darling: Courtenay Lynda Valenti, aged 2.

By FRANCES LEWINE

Associated Press Writer

Washington (AP) - Courtenay Lynda Valenti wandered into the President's White House office, sat down and picked up his inter-office phone.

She jabbered away softly despite the presence of President Johnson and a high-level conference of both parties.

From time to time, she paused to stare critically at one speaker after another, including the president.

Courtenay made no comments.

Later, a Republican congressman requested a picture of the "marvelous little girl who took part in our conference." He said he'd never before attended a presidential meeting "with a little girl monitoring it."

Courtenay is 2 1/2 years old now. But she has already had more inside moments with the President of the United States and his advisors than many a politician.

Talk Together Often

Johnson calls her a few times a week to chat. She rides in helicopters, greets him at church, visits his ranch. And, not long ago, she stood triumphantly on the front seat of the President's car while he drove. She discussed the passing countryside with him and his secretary of Defense at Camp David.

The sprightly little girl with soft brown hair and eyes holds her own with the tall man in the White House. When he asks her to do something, she just tells him, "wait a minute, Prez."

Courtenay is acknowledged as the President's "favorite girl friend." He even had an album of pictures inscribed to her that way. It contains a continuing collection of photos of Courtenay and the President taken by Johnson's favorite official photographer, Yoichi Okamoto.

Romance Started Early

Courtenay's romance with the President started when she started to walk - and that was early, "about 9 or 10 months" says her father and chief press spokesman, Jack Valenti.

Getting ready to leave his post as a top presidential advisor to become president of the Motion Picture Assn. of America with offices a few blocks away, Valenti said:

"Whether the President sees me or not- this romance will go on." It will surmount all difficulties, geographical or otherwise, like any real romance, he predicted.

Courtenay's parents first introduced her at the White House, where they already had a big in.

Father Jack had gone to work for Johnson the day he succeeded to the presidency. And mother, Mary Margaret Wiley, had been Johnson's secretary for nine years on Capital Hill before her marriage.

Lynda Middle Name

When she was born in Houston, Tex., Oct. 30, 1963, Courtenay's parents gave her the middle name of Lynda in honor of the President.

In her intimate circles, though, Courtenay is now called "Corry" by her father, and "Chiquita," by the President.

Courtenay made many appearances before the nation's press when she met the President with her family after Sunday church services. For eight months, the Valentis lived next door to St. Mark's Episcopal Church on Capitol Hill and the Johnson's stopped by to visit during their frequent attendance there.

But Courtenay really made her debut when she went to visit the President at Bethesda Naval Hospital after his gall bladder operation.

In a lavishly photographed scene, Johnson called the little girl over and said "besito" (little kiss) and Courtenay bestowed the requested kiss again and again.

When the President said "who do you love," she came up on cue: "I love Prez."

"Critical" Moment Noted

But there was a critical moment in the big romance a few Sundays ago when Courtenay was put to the test before a company of friends, Viet Nam veterans, family and reporters and declared "I love Pat" instead of the usual "I love Prez."

Reading about it in the press the next day, Johnson jokingly scolded the reporters, suggested they needed hearing aids and declared the very idea that Courtenay was switching her affection to his daughter's fiance, Pat Nugent, was a misquotation.

When Courtenay isn't hob-nobbing at the White House, she has a coterie of little friends her own age, the sons and daughters of other prominent Washingtonians.

But when things get boring at home, she sends word:

"Tell Prez I wanna go helicopter!"

PHOTO OF SMILING LYNDON JOHNSON HOLDING UP SMILING COURTENAY

CAPTION READS: "President Lyndon B. Johnson and 2 1/2-year-old Courtenay Lynda (for Lyndon) Valenti, share a laugh during recent visit by the youngster to the White House in Washington. - AP News features Photo

I think Nancy Dickerson is talking about Mary Margaret Valenti (nee Wiley) in this passage - "meaningful affair"

"I have been told firsthand about LBJ's amorous pursuits; some of the stories are plausible, others simply not true. However, there are so many accounts that there will always be questions about the subject. My own belief is that the only meaningful affair he ever had predated his Presidency, and I doubt whether anyone will ever know about it. As for me, I just never thought he was that sexy."

[Nancy Dickerson, "Among Those Present: A Reporter's View of 25 Years in Washington," p. 140]

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Here is another nugget that I think is referring to Mary Margaret Wiley. It is from George Reedy's book: Lyndon B. Johnson: A Memoir: http://www.amazon.com/Lyndon-B-Johnson-A-Memoir/dp/0836266102/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1368712120&sr=8-1&keywords=george+reedy

"Very few reigning favorites were allowed to run the office for any great length of time. One of them, who held his attention longer than the rest and for whom he exhibited some really deep feelings, was married off, probably because a continued relationship was incompatible with the vice presidency."

[George Reedy, "Lyndon B. Johnson: A Memoir," p. 36]

Mary Margaret Wiley married Jack Valenti on June 1, 1962. Her first daughter Courtenay Lynda Valenti, the biological daughter of Lyndon Johnson, was born 3 weeks before the JFK assassination and became known as "LBJ's baby in the White House" who he doted on.

"They had to be young, they had to be cheerful, they had to be malleable, and it helped if they were slightly antagonistic to him at the outset. He dearly loved to convert an anti-Johnson liberal with a slightly plump figure and a dowdy wardrobe into a lean, impeccably clad female whose face was masked in cosmetics and who adored the ground he walked on (or, at least, told him she adored the ground he walked on). To her, he would pour out all his dreams and aspirations in what (as it was described to me later by one woman with a sense of humor) was an incredibly potent monologue. The motif was that he trusted her loyalty and needed her wisdom and she had to come with him to occupy the top spot in his organization. It was an offer rarely refused.

The reality was somewhat different. The best the woman could hope for was a position as his private secretary. She learned very quickly that it was not the post of a top "advisor." He had no respect for the political intelligence of any woman except his wife- and, unfortunately, he usually listened to her only when he had done something stupid and had to find a bail-out maneuver.

There were many compensations for the reigning favorite. She could look forward to travel under plush conditions, attendance at glamourous social functions with the Johnsons (he would always find a "safe" male for an escort), expensive clothes, and frequent trips to New York, where a glamorous make-up artist would initiate her into the mysteries of advanced facial make-up, resulting in cosmetics so lavishly applied that they became a mask."

[Reedy, p. 36]

"Very few reigning favorites were allowed to run the office for any great length of time. One of them, who held his attention longer than the rest and for whom he exhibited some really deep feelings, was married off, probably because a continued relationship was incompatible with the vice presidency.

The others dropped back into the pool known to the male staff members (speaking under their breaths) as "the harem." His greatest joy was traveling with a large number of women over whom he could fuss- buying their clothes, supervising their diets, and admonishing them at every public stop to "put on some fresh lipstick." It was quite a show. He may have been "just a country boy from the central hills of Texas" but he had many of the instincts of a Turkish sultan of Istanbul."

[Reedy, p. 37]

"The result of all of this was an office in a constant state of turmoil. A new reigning favorite meant a period of several weeks in which workable routines would be upset; morale would fall to all-time lows; efficiency would go out the window."

(Reedy, p. 37)

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Why is this prurient garbage relevant or important? You cap it off by betting your penis. Our posts and avatars have to coexist with yours on this forum. Give us all a break and act it out elsewhere.

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I'm with Tom on this one, Robert. The line about your penis is in bad taste. No one on this forum of whom I am aware wants to think about your penis, let alone think about it every time they read one of your posts. I suggest that you remove it immediately.

The line that is, not your penis.

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I'm with Tom on this one, Robert. The line about your penis is in bad taste. No one on this forum of whom I am aware wants to think about your penis, let alone think about it every time they read one of your posts. I suggest that you remove it immediately.

The line that is, not your penis.

No problem. Then tell Len Colby to take it out of his tag line, too. That is why I put it up there in the first place to show folks what "out of context" quote of mine Colby was referring to. That is the fact the the Clintons beat up and nearly murdered Gary Johnson on June 26, 1992 - I have no doubt about that, none whatsoever. Gary

Johnson (not the libertarian) was also the lawyer for Larry Nichols, former Clinton insider turned enemy, and Johnson lived next door to Gennifer Flowers who was very aware of this savage beating.

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Why is this prurient garbage relevant or important? You cap it off by betting your penis. Our posts and avatars have to coexist with yours on this forum. Give us all a break and act it out elsewhere.

Here I will spell it out for you.

Mary Margaret Valenti (nee Wiley), age 80, was the most favorite mistress of Lyndon Johnson from the mid 1950's, through the 1960 Democratic presidential campaign, through his vice presidency, and extending into his presidency.

Although married to Jack Valenti, she had a child with LBJ - Courtenay Lynda Valenti, which has been confirmed to me by 2 people (really 3) who knew Mary Margaret well.

Mary Margaret spent tremendous amounts of personal time with Lyndon Johnson, perhaps more so than any other human being alive today except LBJ's daughters Luci and Lynda Bird.

Question for Tom Scully:

Do you know who Lyndon Johnson was and if so can you tell me how he is relevant to JFK assassination research? That is not a rhetorical question for Scully. Have you even heard of a man named Lyndon Baines Johnson?

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Robert - would you agree that Bill Moyers silence is deafening? This is a man I usually trust to be forthright and honest, yet when it comes to LBJ there is nothing. Am I missing something?

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Robert - would you agree that Bill Moyers silence is deafening? This is a man I usually trust to be forthright and honest, yet when it comes to LBJ there is nothing. Am I missing something?

Bill Moyers' silence is quite deafening. He won't publish a memoir and I bet he has one written. He wouldn't let Robert Caro interview him. Bill Moyers knows full well what a depraved lunatic Lyndon Johnson was. Anyone who worked closely with LBJ knew that. Someone told Moyers' about Phil Nelson's "LBJ: The Mastermind of the JFK Assassination" and Moyers huffed, clicked his heels and walked away saying "I thought we solved that years ago" (paraphrasing Moyers).

Here is an interesting nuggets on Moyers:

From Arthur Schlesinger's Diary:

January 14 1969

I took part with Bill Moyers, Jack Valenti, Eric Goldman and Ted Sorensen (in Kansas City) in a National Education Television commentary. Afterward Bill and I went over to the Algonquin for a drink. We talked a bit about the problem of writing about Johnson. Bill said, as he has said to me before (and Dick Goodwin has said even more often), that one great trouble was that no one would believe it. He said that he could not see how one could write about Johnson the private monster and Johnson the public statesman and construct a credible narrative. "He is a sick man," Bill said. At one point he and Dick Goodwin became so concerned that they decided to read up on mental illness - Dick read up on paranoia and Bill on the manic-depressive cycle."

[schlesinger, Journals, p. 306]

January 15 1971

Last night I spoke at the annual dinner of the Century. I sat next to Mac Bundy and we discussed, among other things, the Khrushchev memoirs. I remarked on the curious resemblance between Khrushchev's account of the life around Stalin - the domineering and obsessive dictator, the total boredom of the social occasions revolving around him, the horror when invited to attend and the even greater horror when not invited - and Albert Speer's account of the life around Hitler. Mac said, "When I read Khrushchev, I was reminded of something else in addition - my last days in the White House with LBJ."

[schlesinger, Journals, p. 333]

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Robert - would you agree that Bill Moyers silence is deafening? This is a man I usually trust to be forthright and honest, yet when it comes to LBJ there is nothing. Am I missing something?

Paul,

No, you're not missing anything, and I agree with you 100%.

This thread --in facts--has a cornucopia of important quotes about Lyndon Johnson, perhaps the most telling being the material coming directly from Arthur Schlesginger, based on his conversations with Moyers, and the information about Moyers and Goodwin both seriously looking into the question of LBJ presenting a serious mental health problem. Also important: Moyers observation about it being difficult to write about LBJ because "nobody would believe it" etc.. The material from George Reedy, about Johnson, is critically important: he paints Johnson as a 5 star bully, and a mentally unstable, rather sadistic, fruitcake. Robert Kennedy's observations about Johnson being almost a pathological xxxx are also relevant.

FWIW: I was particularly annoyed to see Robert Caro --on his most recent appearance on Charlie Rose--stating that Moyers was obviously not going to write a book about Johnson. I think he has written something, but its unpublished.

Please note: Moyers kept a journal--a detailed journal--of his daily interactions with Lyndon Johnson. I know that to be true because, on one occasion, he published a series of detailed paragraphs from that journal, that were important, and revealing.

Its my personal opinion that Moyers is troubled by the ethics of the situation: first of all, he genuinely liked Ladybird, spent a lot of timewith her (this is before Johnson got the Veep) and he probably felt that telling the truth about Lyndon would drag her through the mud. Second, he had a complicated relationship with LBJ---who, by the way, arranged for him (Spring 67, just after the Manchester book was published) to leave the White House and then take over as publisher of the Long Island Press (as I recall).

I knew someone who worked for (and with) Moyers, at the time Best Evidence was published (Jan 1981). From that person, I learned that Bill Moyers would never talk about the Kennedy assassination--the subject was completely off limits.

Back to Johnson: I have a vivid image of Johnson, back in 1965--the picture was in Newsweek, and showed LBJ sprawled out at his desk, obviously drunk (or so it seemed to me) with Valenti, Moyers, and others, all standing around him, very attentive, each with pencils poised over notepads, as if nothing was wrong. Around the same time, in a London paper, was this incident. At a press briefing, a British reporter asked some question that LBJ didn't like, and he responded: "Why do you come here, and ask me, the President of the United States, a chicken-xxxx question like that." I remember that photo and that incident with the LBJ quote. It was around that time that I became persuaded LBJ was surrounded with sycophants, and that he wasn't quite right, mentally.

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5/18/13; 2:30 AM PDT

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Why is this prurient garbage relevant or important? You cap it off by betting your penis. Our posts and avatars have to coexist with yours on this forum. Give us all a break and act it out elsewhere.

Truly. If you examine Morrow's interest, first in all things Clinton, "graduating" to JFK you will see that his main purpose is prurient.

And gay bashing. He once bragged that he put thousands of fliers all over a small community just north of Austin. It was also online. Now what do you suppose THAT was all about?

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Why is this prurient garbage relevant or important? You cap it off by betting your penis. Our posts and avatars have to coexist with yours on this forum. Give us all a break and act it out elsewhere.

Truly. If you examine Morrow's interest, first in all things Clinton, "graduating" to JFK you will see that his main purpose is prurient.

And gay bashing. He once bragged that he put thousands of fliers all over a small community just north of Austin. It was also online. Now what do you suppose THAT was all about?

Perhaps it has something to do with this 'As for relationship status, Morrow says he’s single, and that he’s interested in “Men and Women.”'

http://blog.sfgate.com/abraham/2011/08/18/who-is-rick-perrys-gay-and-stripper-sex-accuser-robert-morrow/

I have nothing against gays or bis I have gay friends but I'm not very fond of bigots, especially hypocritical ones.

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I'm with Tom on this one, Robert. The line about your penis is in bad taste. No one on this forum of whom I am aware wants to think about your penis, let alone think about it every time they read one of your posts. I suggest that you remove it immediately.

The line that is, not your penis.

No problem. Then tell Len Colby to take it out of his tag line, too. That is why I put it up there in the first place to show folks what "out of context" quote of mine Colby was referring to. That is the fact the the Clintons beat up and nearly murdered Gary Johnson on June 26, 1992 - I have no doubt about that, none whatsoever. Gary

Johnson (not the libertarian) was also the lawyer for Larry Nichols, former Clinton insider turned enemy, and Johnson lived next door to Gennifer Flowers who was very aware of this savage beating.

LOL I doubt anyone but you thinks your comment was more reasonable "in context".

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Author Ronald Kessler's Secret Service agent sources told him that Lyndon Johnson was having sex with 5 of his 8 secretaries.

And I have no doubt that Mary Margaret Valenti's first born daughter Courtenay Lynda Valenti (born about 3 weeks before JFK assassination) is the biological daughter of Lyndon Johnson and not Jack Valenti. Mary Margaret Wiley had been LBJ's very young and yet very long time personal secretary when he was at the peak of power in the Senate in the 1950's.

Yolanda Boozer was another secretary of LBJ's. Her son Lyndon K. Boozer is now a prominent Democratic lobbyist for ATT and he is in fact named after Lyndon Johnson.

LBJ and Yolanda Boozer: http://lbjlibrary.tumblr.com/post/48440568007/march-22-1967-12-40-pm-the-president-came

Also: https://www.google.com/search?q=yolanda+boozer+lyndon+johnson&biw=1239&bih=862&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&wrapid=tlif137106415153510&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=W8e4Udn7NNOHqwH_koC4Cw

"It was July 19, 1963. Yolanda Garza Boozer had given birth to a boy at the Columbia Hospital for Women in Washington, D.C. Her boss, Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson, stopped by to visit the new mother and her husband, a Treasury official."

So the question is: Is Lyndon Johnson the biological father of Lyndon Boozer? Based on what I know about LBJ, a man described as a "Turkish sultan" by his long time aide George Reedy and based on the fact that Lyndon Johnson was using his secretarial pool as a harem, my answer is that would be very easy for me to believe that Lyndon K. Boozer is the son of Lyndon Johnson.

Check out this article on "Washington's Top Power Couples" http://capitolfile-magazine.com/personalities/articles/power-couples?page=5

"Lyndon, meanwhile, has been entwined in politics and public service ever since his mother's boss, President Lyndon B. Johnson, discovered that she had named her baby, Kyle Lyndon Boozer, in his honor. Legend has it Johnson told her that if she switched his first and middle names, he would extend her maternity leave. It was an easy decision, Lyndon says. (In 2007, to give back to his namesake and honor the Johnson family legacy and its loyalty to his family, he spearheaded the effort, alongside members of Congress, to name the Department of Education building after the 36th president.)"

Regarding Lyndon Boozer: look at the nose, the eyes, the height of the man ... and more importantly the "power posture." Even the clothes. Most folks don't know this, but the LBJ of the 1940's and 1950's was an extremely well dressed man. He liked fine, expensive clothes and one of his mistresses taught him how to dress.

LBJ liked to exude power. Kind of like the way Lyndon Boozer exudes power today.

Web link here for some great photos of Lyndon Boozer with Luci Baines Johnson. http://www.newyorksocialdiary.com/node/1905167/print

Do they look like half-brother, half-sister to you?

And here is an article on "Lobbyist's mission to honor LBJ" http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0507/3847.html

One thing that is true about the JFK assassination is that there are so many families with legacies and reputations to protect: the Johnson family, the Hunt oil family of Dallas, the Bush family, the Byrd family, the Murchison family.

Many of these folks, the children and grandchilden of the murderers of John Kennedy, are politicaly powerful and prominent today, Some, in the case of the Hunt family, are mega wealthy.

And then one has the legacies off all the people who helped cover up the JFK assassination - the Ford family, Bill Moyers, Jack Valenti ... it is almost like a Rolodex of the leaders of both the Republican and Democratic parties and even society if you add in the Rockefellers for cover up or participation.

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