Robert Prudhomme Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Yes, you posted as I was typing. Sorry. If PM is 3ft further back than Lovelady then we still have a perspective issue. I'm sure someone with a mathematics background can explain it better than I can. If the top step is only 3 feet wide, how can PM be 3 feet further back than Lovelady, without PM being on the other side of the glass door? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Yes i estimate the top step to be approx 1-meter http://quaneeri2.blogspot.com.au/2015/04/altgens-6-elbow-man.html http://quaneeri2.blogspot.com.au/2015/04/who-said-black-man-on-steps-was-roy.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 (edited) Credit Tony Frantini. Schedule of all TSBD employees who were standing on the steps Edited April 7, 2015 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Credit Toni Frantini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Robin Unger Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 (edited) Altgens 6 Elbow manOtis Williams had a large paunchy belly, if you look close you can see it sticking out in Altgens 6 Edited April 7, 2015 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Joe Molina Height: 5 ' 7 1/2Weight 164 poundsAge in 1963 40 yrsBuild Stocky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Credit: Tony Frantini Location of female employees at the time of the assassination Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Prudhomme Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 I tend to think that Otis Williams was on the top step, and further to the east than you have shown him, Robin. From the WC testimony of Joe Molina: "Mr. BALL. Did you go out on the street to see the motorcade? Mr. MOLINA. Yes. I was standing on the front steps.Mr. BALL. With whom?Mr. MOLINA. Right next left of me was Mr. Williams and close to there was Mrs. Sanders.Mr. BALL. Pauline Sanders.Mr. MOLINA. Yes." Further on: "Mr. BALL. Did you see Mr. Truly go into the building? Mr. MOLINA. Yes.Mr. BALL. Where were you when you saw him go into the building?Mr. MOLINA. I was right in the entrance.Mr. BALL. Did you see a police officer with him?Mr. MOLINA. I didn't see a police officer. I don't recall seeing a police officer but I did see him go inside.Mr. BALL. Did you see a white-helmeted police officer any time there in the entrance?Mr. MOLINA. Well, of course, there might have been one after they secured the building, you know.Mr. BALL. No, I mean when Truly went in; did you see Truly actually go into the building?Mr. MOLINA. I saw him go in.Mr. BALL. Where were you standing?Mr. MOLINA. Right at the front door; right at the front door.Mr. BALL. Outside the front door?Mr. MOLINA. Yes, outside the front door I was standing; the door was right behind me.Mr. BALL. Were you standing on the steps?Mr. MOLINA. Yes, on the uppermost step.Mr. BALL. You actually saw Truly goMr. MOLINA. Yeah.Mr. BALL. You were still standing there?Mr. MOLINA. Yes.Mr. BALL. How long was it after you heard the shots?Mr. MOLINA. Oh, I would venture to say maybe 20 or 30 seconds afterwards." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Prudhomme Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Is it not possible the man in the tie, seen behind Lovelady, could be Molina or Williams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 (edited) Robert I didn't just come by these identifications on my own. it was a collaborative thread with many participance on Duncan's forum The thread was entitled " Prayer man is not Oswald " But don't take my word for it, as with all of this type of analysis, it needs to be peer reviewed Edited April 7, 2015 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 (edited) Is it not possible the man in the tie, seen behind Lovelady, could be Molina or Williams? I have the man in the dark suit and tie as Shelley But NOTHING is set in stone if it can be proven that my analysis is not correct, then so be it, i will then go back and correct my graphics. Edited April 7, 2015 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Prudhomme Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 The other photos of Shelley show him to be quite lean. The man in the tie behind Lovelady looks like he has a paunch and a double chin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 (edited) Considering the top step was only three feet wide, there sure seems to have been a lot of people standing up there. So far, we have Joe Molina, Billy Lovelady and Bill Shelley testifying to being on the top step, along with several other people. Then we are able to see in film that PM and Wesley Frazier are standing on the top step, even though Frazier testified to standing one step down from the top step. How did so many people fit on the narrow top step? Maybe it's a case of "Top step" vs. "Landing," and different people referring to them in different ways --Tommy Edited April 7, 2015 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Shelley is eliminated by his testimony Shelley's testimony is suspect on many counts, but I don't think he's Prayer Man because of the clothing differences. It seems you can barely make out Prayer Man's t-shirt or bare chest under his dark shirt. Shelley was wearing a suit and tie that day. --Tommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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