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The other photos of Shelley show him to be quite lean. The man in the tie behind Lovelady looks like he has a paunch and a double chin.

Which other photos of Shelley? Are they actually confirmed as being Shelley?

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Shelley is eliminated by his testimony

Shelley's testimony is suspect on many counts, but I don't think he's Prayer Man because of the clothing differences.

It seems you can barely make out Prayer Man's t-shirt or bare chest under his dark shirt.

Shelley was wearing a suit and tie that day.

--Tommy :sun

Tommy,

Would you please direct me to where this is stated as fact please.

Thanks.

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Is it just me, or does PM disappear from some of these visuals, only to reappear in others?

Also, wasn't LHO supposed to be dressed in a t-shirt when he was seen after the shooting by a woman TSBD office worker? PM is not dressed in a t-shirt in the Wiegman, Darnell, Couch films.

BM

That was Mrs Reid. I believe she got on board with her boss, Mr Truly (who penciled her name in the margin of his statement) by changing the time she had seen Oswald to corroborate the 2nd floor myth.

Didn't some of LHO's other co-workers (Frazier, Jarman, Norman, BRW?) also testify that he usually took off his shirt or jacket and worked wearing just a white tee-shirt?

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Shelley is eliminated by his testimony

Shelley's testimony is suspect on many counts, but I don't think he's Prayer Man because of the clothing differences.

It seems you can barely make out Prayer Man's t-shirt or bare chest under his dark shirt.

Shelley was wearing a suit and tie that day.

--Tommy :sun

Tommy,

Would you please direct me to where this is stated as fact please.

Thanks.

Ian,

It is photographically "stated as fact."

You know, the photographs and film clips which show Shelley (circled in red, below), Danny Arce, and Bonnie Ray Williams being escorted to and getting into the police car?

billshelley-2.jpg

William Shelley on the far right in this clip. Detective Brown in the flashing red circle.

PlazaA.gif

Do you know of any documents which "state as fact" anything to the contrary?

If so, would you please direct me to them please?

Thanks.

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Thank you Tommy.

Since I know of nothing to contrary, it must therefore be true that he wore a shirt and tie?

I'm not trying to be clever or awkward, just trying to work out the PM and Shelley conundrum in my own mind - I've probably missed the absolutely positive ID of Shelley somewhere along the line.

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Shelley is eliminated by his testimony

Shelley's testimony is suspect on many counts, but I don't think he's Prayer Man because of the clothing differences.

It seems you can barely make out Prayer Man's t-shirt or bare chest under his dark shirt.

Shelley was wearing a suit and tie that day.

--Tommy :sun

Tommy,

Would you please direct me to where this is stated as fact please.

Thanks.

Ian,

It is photographically "stated as fact."

You know, the photographs and film clips which show Shelley (circled in red, below), Danny Arce, and Bonnie Ray Williams being escorted to and getting into the police car?

billshelley-2.jpg

Do you know of any documents which "state as fact" anything to the contrary?

If so, would you please direct me to them please?

Thanks.

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Shelley is eliminated by his testimony

Shelley's testimony is suspect on many counts, but I don't think he's Prayer Man because of the clothing differences.

It seems you can barely make out Prayer Man's t-shirt or bare chest under his dark shirt.

Shelley was wearing a suit and tie that day.

--Tommy :sun

Tommy,

Would you please direct me to where this is stated as fact please.

Thanks.

Ian,

It is photographically "stated as fact."

You know, the photographs and film clips which show Shelley (circled in red, below), Danny Arce, and Bonnie Ray Williams being escorted to and getting into the police car?

billshelley-2.jpg

William Shelley on the far right in this clip. Detective Brown in the flashing red circle.

PlazaA.gif

Do you know of any documents which "state as fact" anything to the contrary?

If so, would you please direct me to them please?

Thanks.

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I've just thought - I need to check affidavits and testimony of BRW as he may have said that he was taken to the DPD with Arce and Shelley?...

Just seen the GIF - the red circle seems to appear around a different person?

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Oops, just saw your line above the GIF...sorry.

Ian,

There are only a couple of "verified" photographs of William Shelley before the assassination.

Have you tried googling "william h shelley" (in quotation marks) and then clicking on "images"?

--Tommy :sun

William Hoyt Shelley's high school photograph.

As found on Greg Parker's wonderful ROKC website.

HoytShelleyCrozierTech45.jpg

Shelley having coffee and talking to reporters inside the TSBD.

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Thanks all - So, it certainly looks like it's Shelley. In which case I also doubt very much that he is the same person as the person shown as figure 'E' in the photograph shown in post 1831. Also extremely unlikely to be PM.

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