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Robert,

I just now went over there, logged in, and put PRAYER MAN in the "search" box and came up with a 54-page thread called "Prayer Man was not Oswald."

Have you seen it? It starts off with some interesting 3-D work by a member which, in order to appreciate, you need to view with a pair of red / cyan glasses.

BTW, Please don't "attack" me on this issue. I personally believe that PM = O.

I'm just doing this as a "public service' as you seem to be kinda restless and itching for a fight.

--Tommy :sun

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I cannot log in to that site.

Why not, Robert? Are you banned?

The thread was started on April 1, 2015.

--Tommy :sun

PS Did you register? (For membership to the site -- not your guns for cryin' out loud. LOL)

Register, log in, put PRAYER MAN in the search box....

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Yes, I am banned, Thomas. I told McRae, on several occasions, that his forum was a haven for disinfo agents.

April 1, 2015, aside from being a humourous date to begin a thread, is about two years after McRae claimed they had made "many enhancements" of PM and had engaged in "many discussions" about PM.

As I said, much hot air and deception.

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I got four pages into it and had this odd sense of deja moo, that strange feeling that you've heard this BS before somewhere.

As always, reading anything over there is a complete waste of time, as the LN's are in total denial, and always will be in total denial.

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On reviewing this work, I was just struck by something in Bookhout's solo report:

Oswald stated that on November 22, 1963, at the time of the search of the Texas School Book Depository building by Dallas police officers, he was on the second floor of said building, having just purchased a Coca-cola form the soft-drink machine, at which time a police officer came into the room with pistol drawn and asked him if he worked there. Mr. Truly was present and verified that he was an employee and the police officer thereafter left the room and continued through the building. Oswald stated that he took this Coke down to the first floor and stood around and had lunch in the employees' lunch room. He thereafter went outside and stood around for five or ten minutes with foreman Bill Shelly....
Remember, this is supposed to be a report on how Oswald answered the questions being put to him.
With that in mind, how does this bit of information find it's way into Oswald's mouth... "the police officer thereafter left the room and continued through the building."
Unless Oswald followed them - how is he supposed to know what the hell Baker did after he left this alleged confrontation?
Sure, they could (and did) have Oswald confirming all manner of things that never happened - but Oswald was at least allegedly the one doing those things (or present for them) so that presents no issue. Here however, they have him confirming something he couldn't know about - even if it really did happen. Herein is further evidence that they that put words in his mouth both to destroy his own alibi, but also to confirm the myths they were creating to help shore up their case against him.
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Good catch, Greg. I read that report before and never made the connection. (of course, when I read it, certain words were not italicized :) )

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Well I'm up to page 16 on the "Oswald was not PM" thread and so far it is all tending to confirm that Oswald is PM. So when does the debunking start?

(.....and what's up with that Lamson guy?)

Hi Vanessa

You have a stronger stomach than I do if you've made it to Page 16. I was starting to feel nauseous at about Page 3.

Craig Lamson? Sweet guy; wouldn't say poop if he had a mouthful.

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Hi Bobster

I’m up to page 47 and still no debunking. In fact there is a lot of good stuff on who was standing where on the steps. It’s worth persisting.

Duncan, I really think you should consider renaming this thread to “Prayer Man could definitely be Oswald”.

(………and seriously………what is up with that Lamson guy?)

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I doubt we would sell it.

There are probably a lot of posts in that thread which are distracting. Has anyone considered writing a paper that would capture the basic information in the thread? With a paper, everything would consolidated, and referenced.

As for the thread pinning, we use the upper part of the Forum for business,and TOU, etc,. more or less, because this is the most visited area in the forum. While I understand your frustration, we have to put our information where it can be seen.

But we may be able to do something with a research paper.

Understood, Kathy. But has anyone considered having an 2 separate pinned areas A & B, for example? One pinning important business, and the 2nd one pinning important threads? Someone at ROKC (can't remember who? Barto?) just wrote an excellent PM synopsis which is posted and pinned there in the JFK section. Also Stan, i think it is, is writing a book about PM! Whoooohooo! And others are working on an undiluted documentary - or planning one.

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I doubt we would sell it.

There are probably a lot of posts in that thread which are distracting. Has anyone considered writing a paper that would capture the basic information in the thread? With a paper, everything would consolidated, and referenced.

As for the thread pinning, we use the upper part of the Forum for business,and TOU, etc,. more or less, because this is the most visited area in the forum. While I understand your frustration, we have to put our information where it can be seen.

But we may be able to do something with a research paper.

Understood, Kathy. But has anyone considered having an 2 separate pinned areas A & B, for example? One pinning important business, and the 2nd one pinning important threads? Someone at ROKC (can't remember who? Barto?) just wrote an excellent PM synopsis which is posted and pinned there in the JFK section. Also Stan, i think it is, is writing a book about PM! Whoooohooo! And others are working on an undiluted documentary - or planning one.

I doubt we would sell it.

There are probably a lot of posts in that thread which are distracting. Has anyone considered writing a paper that would capture the basic information in the thread? With a paper, everything would consolidated, and referenced.

As for the thread pinning, we use the upper part of the Forum for business,and TOU, etc,. more or less, because this is the most visited area in the forum. While I understand your frustration, we have to put our information where it can be seen.

But we may be able to do something with a research paper.

Understood, Kathy. But has anyone considered having an 2 separate pinned areas A & B, for example? One pinning important business, and the 2nd one pinning important threads? Someone at ROKC (can't remember who? Barto?) just wrote an excellent PM synopsis which is posted and pinned there in the JFK section. Also Stan, i think it is, is writing a book about PM! Whoooohooo! And others are working on an undiluted documentary - or planning one.

I second Linda's proposal about 2 separate pinned areas, one for administration and one for important threads.

Great idea Linda. :)

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Since none of the other esteemed researchers on this forum seem to want to defend Carolyn Arnold's credibility, I think it's safe to assume that I am the "terminally obtuse" person Greg referred to.

Again, I have no objection to Oswald being PM. Obviously, if he can be definitively identified as PM or even Doorman, then the entire official story collapses. No more endless debates. No need to rehash the impossible SBT for the millionth time. I think Sean Murphy's research was important. I suspect that Oswald may indeed be Prayer Man. The difference is, I recognize that none of the images available to us are clear enough to be that definitive. I don't rest my beliefs on this particular theory, or any other.

Carolyn Arnold's testimony doesn't preclude Oswald from being PM. My objection is to what I believe is the unfair treatment she's being accorded here by Greg Parker. Greg continues to bring up the time differences, and witness corroboration, but ignores the fact that she claimed her statement was inaccurately recorded.

I apologize for going around in circles once again with Greg. It's obvious that no one else here outside of David Josephs, Steven Gaal and Jim Hargrove care to challenge his assertions. Since he has now declared that he will authoritatively answer the question of why JFK was killed, in a future volume of his book, I will anxiously await that ground-breaking information.

Terminally obtuse would be saying I claim it took her 10 minutes to get downstairs :ice He is a credit to all at the foo... totally represents what the place stands for.

Approximate Timeline:

Noon to 12:15 Jarman and Norman discuss the crowd outside with Oswald. Piper has a brief word with Oswald about lunch. Oswald replies he is going up OR out to have his. None of the three claim to see where Oswald went after that. Arnold leaves her office and sees Oswald on the first floor on her way out to watch the parade.

12:30 JFK assassinated. Arnold - who has been outside from the time she left her office earlier, now leaves the area entirely. As she knew the motorcade had been due at 12:25 but was unaware it was late, she would later give 12:25 as the time she went home.

The above is derived from statements to DPD, the FBI and the WC and HSCA.

The times given by Jarman, Norman and Piper are not consistent with each other, or even at times with their own past statements, but can be pinned to the approximate time-frame given because there would not have been any excitement outside to speak of any earlier. Oswald was still on the first floor up to 10 minutes later because he told his interrogators that he had seen Jarman and Norman come back inside. We know from their testimony that they did come back in to go up the 5th. Even though Norman tells the HSCA his interaction with Oswald was between 10 and 11 am, he also insisted it was just before the motorcade was due - again - more consistent with a 12 to 12:15 time-frame.

Oswald did what he was known to do on other days. He went upstairs, got a coke and came back down to have it with his lunch. This time however, instead of eating in the domino room, he ate in the PM position. Indeed, the paper bag and bottle can be seen in some frames.

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