Oswald Leaving TSBD?

[Robert Prudhomme]

question:

Since prayer man appears to be back in the shadows, how does the sun reach the ( camera lense, coke bottle bottom ? ) to make a sunlight reflection ?

Hmmm...good question, Robin.

[Sean Murphy]

question:

Since prayer man appears to be back in the shadows, how does the sun reach the ( camera lense, coke bottle bottom ? ) to make a sunlight reflection ?

Very good question, Robin.

My money is still on this configuration, with Prayer Man munching on a sandwich (white-bread sandwich or possibly white/bright sandwich wrapping?) as he holds the bottle of coke in the other hand:

The lack of alteration of his left hand's position from Wiegman to Darnell may suggest the coke is in that hand.

Edited September 4, 2013 by Sean Murphy

[Martin Hinrichs]

-Ok, there was a man who liked to take pictures in shadow because of his lense and find the doorway

to be the perfect spot. Melting in was not a problem cause there was no police or such.

Shooting pictures with one hand is not a problem for Mister X.

-There was an employee who's name is meanwhile forgotten. He shot pictures for the family.

-It was Frazier. His was nervous by the testimony stating some false origin.

He was the man at the wall. He drunk a soda bottle but have not mentioned it.

-It was Oswald, he had a coke bottle in his hand and a sandwich taking it during the frames.

After he was finished, he was going back to the second floor by the front stairs to be seen by another witness and encounters

Baker and Truly on his way to the lunchroom to get back some stuff he laid down there.

He did not buy a coke cause he had already one in his hand. He goes back to the same way he already did to go out of the TSBD entrance some 3 minutes later. He then choosed to join a bus to go home.

[J. Raymond Carroll]

The limo would have to travel through an unsightly and rough part of Dallas.FOR A SHORT DISTANCE, NO?

Yes Robert, and the dog ate my homework too.

A plotter looking at the parade route would be quick to capitalize on the advantages of an ambush in Dealey Plaza

.

That's Sorrels knew also.

Are there other clues pointing to Forrest Sorrels as an accomplice?

Short answer is yes, but I have not looked at him in years.

I am working on a big project right now,

but since you are interested, why not check out everything he did

and didn't do?

[Tom Hume]

Robin asks: "Since prayer man appears to be back in the shadows, how does the sun reach the ( camera lense, coke bottle bottom ? ) to make a sunlight reflection ?"

The right question, I think, and the sunlight should reflect off neither. My imagined scenario has the light coming from the flashlight in PMs mouth.

Robin, do you happen to know how many cranks it takes to advance the film on, say, a Hasselblad or a Rolleiflex ?

Tom

Edited August 31, 2013 by Tom Hume

[Robin Unger]

I may have missed this in the thread.

Is that Truly standing to the left of the Doorway in the suit and hat ?

and did he enter the building prior to Baker reaching the front door.

AFFIDAVIT IN ANY FACT
THE STATE OF TEXAS
COUNTY OF DALLAS
BEFORE ME, Mary Rattan, a Notary Public in and for said County, State of Texas, on this day personally appeared M. L. Baker, Patrolman Dallas Police Department who, after being by me duly sworn, on oath deposes and says:

Friday November 22, 1963 I was riding motorcycle escort for the President of the United States. At approximately 12:30 pm I was on Houston Street and the President's car had made a left turn from Houston onto Elm Street. Just as I approached Elm Street and Houston I heard three shots. I realized those shots were rifle shots and I began to try to figure out where they came from. I decided the shots had come from the building on the northwest corner of Elm and Houston. This building is used by the Board of Education for book storage. I jumped off my motor and ran inside the building. As I entered the door I saw several people standing around. I asked these people where the stairs were. A man stepped forward and stated he was the building manager and that he would show me where the stairs were. I followed the man to the rear of the building and he said, "Let's take the elevator." The elevator was hung several floors up so we used the stairs instead. As we reached the third or fourth floor I saw a man walking away from the stairway. I called to the man and he turned around and came back toward me. The manager said, "I know that man, he works here." I then turned the man loose and went up to the top floor. The man I saw was a white man approximately 30 years old, 5'9", 165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket.

s/ M. L. Baker

SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN BEFORE ME THIS 22 DAY OF November A.D. 1963

/s/ Mary Rattan

Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas

Edited August 31, 2013 by Robin Unger

[Richard Hocking]

question:

Since prayer man appears to be back in the shadows, how does the sun reach the ( camera lense, coke bottle bottom ? ) to make a sunlight reflection ?

A reasonable question Robin.

Although PM is not in direct sunlight, Dealey Plaza was full of reflective surfaces. The windows on the buildings, cars, and the reflecting pools would have provided multiple sources for indirect sunlight into the alcove.

[Michael Griffin]

question:

Since prayer man appears to be back in the shadows, how does the sun reach the ( camera lense, coke bottle bottom ? ) to make a sunlight reflection ?

A reasonable question Robin.

Although PM is not in direct sunlight, Dealey Plaza was full of reflective surfaces. The windows on the buildings, cars, and the reflecting pools would have provided multiple sources for indirect sunlight into the alcove.

Yes, good question, Robin. If not for the reflective surfaces and reflected light rays, then wouldn't everything within shadows (or even everything in a room with no artificial light and no direct sunlight entering a window) be completely dark? It would be a good question for a physicist, but I think you stated it very nicely in laymen's terms, Richard. Edited August 31, 2013 by Michael Griffin

[Sean Murphy]

Whatever Prayer Man has up to his face, it doesn't have to be very bright, just significantly lighter in shade than the man's flesh tones.

Here's a possibility--he's biting into the uneaten side of an apple:

Edited September 4, 2013 by Sean Murphy

[Sean Murphy]

I may have missed this in the thread.

Is that Truly standing to the left of the Doorway in the suit and hat ?

and did he enter the building prior to Baker reaching the front door.

AFFIDAVIT IN ANY FACT

THE STATE OF TEXAS

COUNTY OF DALLAS

BEFORE ME, Mary Rattan, a Notary Public in and for said County, State of Texas, on this day personally appeared M. L. Baker, Patrolman Dallas Police Department who, after being by me duly sworn, on oath deposes and says:

Friday November 22, 1963 I was riding motorcycle escort for the President of the United States. At approximately 12:30 pm I was on Houston Street and the President's car had made a left turn from Houston onto Elm Street. Just as I approached Elm Street and Houston I heard three shots. I realized those shots were rifle shots and I began to try to figure out where they came from. I decided the shots had come from the building on the northwest corner of Elm and Houston. This building is used by the Board of Education for book storage. I jumped off my motor and ran inside the building. As I entered the door I saw several people standing around. I asked these people where the stairs were. A man stepped forward and stated he was the building manager and that he would show me where the stairs were. I followed the man to the rear of the building and he said, "Let's take the elevator." The elevator was hung several floors up so we used the stairs instead. As we reached the third or fourth floor I saw a man walking away from the stairway. I called to the man and he turned around and came back toward me. The manager said, "I know that man, he works here." I then turned the man loose and went up to the top floor. The man I saw was a white man approximately 30 years old, 5'9", 165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket.

s/ M. L. Baker

SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN BEFORE ME THIS 22 DAY OF November A.D. 1963

/s/ Mary Rattan

Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas

Robin, I'm almost certain this Roy Truly here:

Baker brushed passed him and Truly followed him up the steps to the front entrance.

Edited September 4, 2013 by Sean Murphy

[J. Raymond Carroll]

I jumped off my motor and ran inside the building. As I entered the door I saw several people standing around. I asked these people where the stairs were. A man stepped forward and stated he was the building manager and that he would show me where the stairs were. I followed the man to the rear of the building and he said, "Let's take the elevator."

Great catch, Robin.

You are right

and Murph is wrong,

just like he was wrong

about the music!

Edited August 31, 2013 by J. Raymond Carroll

[Thomas Graves]

[...]

[...]

Here is a direct link to a thread containing static images and moving Gifs ot the man and the area in question.

It's a long thread with many interesting diversions and fantastic graphical analysis by some of the most talented and dedicated photo analysis people in the JFK community.

Here is one example of the standard of stabilized Gif construction which is a major feature at my forum.

This one shows clearly the man in question, and Baker running towards the entrance.

Credit Gerda Dunckel

Enjoy the thread - Link Below

http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,6724.0.html

Has anyone noticed the person who slowly stands up or goes up one step, backwards, in front of Prayer Man?

Also, notice the suit-wearing man at the base of the steps on the left who waves Baker up the steps with his left hand and pivots out of the way. Could that be Roy Truly?

--Tommy

[...]

bumped

Edited August 31, 2013 by Thomas Graves

[J. Raymond Carroll]

A reasonable question Robin.

Although PM is not in direct sunlight, Dealey Plaza was full of reflective surfaces. The windows on the buildings, cars, and the reflecting pools would have provided multiple sources for indirect sunlight into the alcove.

And we could also be looking at artifacts,

[best Charles Laughton]

Mr. Hocking, could we not?

Veddey well, M'Lud,

I rest my case!

Edited August 31, 2013 by J. Raymond Carroll

[Robin Unger]

If Truly stood at the entrance and waved Baker on.

Then Bakers statement doesn't make sense, because then Truly would be following Baker through the front door.

I jumped off my motor and ran inside the building. As I entered the door I saw several people standing around. I asked these people where the stairs were. A man stepped forward and stated he was the building manager

[Michael Griffin]

[Officer Baker in his 11/22/63 affidavit]

I jumped off my motor and ran inside the building. As I entered the door I saw several people standing around. I asked these people where the stairs were. A man stepped forward and stated he was the building manager and that he would show me where the stairs were. I followed the man to the rear of the building and he said, "Let's take the elevator."

Great catch, Robin.

You are right

and Murph is wrong,

just like he was wrong

about the music!

In his WC testimony, Roy Truly was a bit more specific in describing his and Officer Baker's movements as they ran toward the TSBD entrance.

Mr. TRULY:

...

I saw a young motorcycle policeman run up to the building, up the steps to the entrance of our building. He ran right by me. And he was pushing people out of the way. He pushed a number of people out of the way before he got to me. I saw him coming through, I believe. As he ran up the stairway--I mean up the steps, I was almost to the steps, I ran up and caught up with him. I believe I caught up with him inside the lobby of the building, or possibly the front steps. I don't remember that close. But I remember it occurred to me that this man wants on top of the building. He doesn't know the plan of the floor. And-that is-that just pepped in my mind, and I ran in with him. As we got in the lobby, almost on the inside of the first floor, this policeman asked me where the stairway is. And I said, "This way".

...

[end quote]

For as much as we can see in the Darnell film, it seems consistent with Truly's description.

Edited August 31, 2013 by Michael Griffin