Oswald's Coke

[Robert Prudhomme]

If you want Dave, we can just create some automatic pop ups to post whenever a silly conspiracy theory comes up.

Nah, you'd better not do that, Bill. Because, since every JFK conspiracy theory ever invented is silly to start with, I wouldn't be able to keep up with the onslaught of pop-ups.

Just make my site below "pop up" instead. That should do the trick....

"If there is absolutely no evidence against Oswald (as many conspiracy theorists seem to think), then what made the Dallas Police Department decide to charge Lee Harvey Oswald with two murders before midnight on November 22, 1963? Do people usually get officially charged with TWO murders by the police department if there is absolutely no evidence against them whatsoever?" -- David Von Pein; September 28, 2013

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"The Warren Commission critics and conspiracy theorists display an astonishing inability to see the vast forest of evidence proving Oswald's guilt because of their penchant for obsessing over the branches, even the leaves of individual trees. And, because virtually all of them have no background in criminal investigation, they look at each leaf (piece of evidence) by itself, hardly ever in relation to, and in the context of, all the other evidence." -- Vince Bugliosi

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"Coming up with a believable and reasonable conspiracy-endorsing alternative to the Warren Commission's single-bullet conclusion is something that simply cannot be done. And that's mainly because the SBT is obviously the truth. And when you try to dismantle the truth and replace it with some kind of half-baked, incoherent "alternative theory" (such as the "TWO BULLETS WENT INTO JFK AND NEVER EXITED AND THEN DISAPPEARED" claptrap), you're not likely to find the alternative to be nearly as compelling (or reasonable) as the truth." -- David Von Pein; September 1, 2010

More examples:

JFK-Archives.blogspot.com / JFK Assassination Arguments (Part 432)

This guy should be selling used cars on late night TV.

[William Kelly]

Thanks for the EJHudson links Dave,

He says he was sitting on the steps with the young guy who said he worked on Industrial and parked his car nearby, then stood up when the motorcade approached, and he heard three shots - the second shot hitting JFK in the head, just above and behind the right ear.

He doesn't mention the other guy standing with them, nor the black couple who he may have been acquainted with.

EMMETT J. HUDSON'S 11/22/63 AFFIDAVIT:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-um5UNKllF_w/Tvw3OwlYoQI/AAAAAAAABtk/sFZySlnOkZ8/s1200-h/Emmett-Hudson-Affidavit.gif


HUDSON'S 1964 WC TESTIMONY (starting at 7 H 558):
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh7/html/WC_Vol7_0283b.htm


Evidently, Mr. Hudson was totally oblivious to (or just didn't remember seeing) the other man who was standing right beside him when the shooting occurred. Because Hudson doesn't mention a third person on the steps at all. ~shrug~

I wonder if that means we've got room for another theory here?---

The Muchmore Film is a fake! A third man on the steps has been added in to
the film! Details at 11!!


Also:

Here's the picture of the bench in Dealey Plaza. This comes from Robin Unger's JFK Gallery:

[William Kelly]

If you want Dave, we can just create some automatic pop ups to post whenever a silly conspiracy theory comes up.

Nah, you'd better not do that, Bill. Because, since every JFK conspiracy theory ever invented is silly to start with, I wouldn't be able to keep up with the onslaught of pop-ups.

Just make my site below "pop up" instead. That should do the trick....

"If there is absolutely no evidence against Oswald (as many conspiracy theorists seem to think), then what made the Dallas Police Department decide to charge Lee Harvey Oswald with two murders before midnight on November 22, 1963? Do people usually get officially charged with TWO murders by the police department if there is absolutely no evidence against them whatsoever?" -- David Von Pein; September 28, 2013

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"The Warren Commission critics and conspiracy theorists display an astonishing inability to see the vast forest of evidence proving Oswald's guilt because of their penchant for obsessing over the branches, even the leaves of individual trees. And, because virtually all of them have no background in criminal investigation, they look at each leaf (piece of evidence) by itself, hardly ever in relation to, and in the context of, all the other evidence." -- Vince Bugliosi

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"Coming up with a believable and reasonable conspiracy-endorsing alternative to the Warren Commission's single-bullet conclusion is something that simply cannot be done. And that's mainly because the SBT is obviously the truth. And when you try to dismantle the truth and replace it with some kind of half-baked, incoherent "alternative theory" (such as the "TWO BULLETS WENT INTO JFK AND NEVER EXITED AND THEN DISAPPEARED" claptrap), you're not likely to find the alternative to be nearly as compelling (or reasonable) as the truth." -- David Von Pein; September 1, 2010

More examples:

JFK-Archives.blogspot.com / JFK Assassination Arguments (Part 432)

This guy should be selling used cars on late night TV.

John McAdams, Vincent Bugliosi and DVP can't write a complete sentence without mentioning conspiracy theorists and what they think.

Bugliosi compiles all of the circumstantial evidence that indicates Oswald killed JFK, but fails to put him in the Sixth Floor Sniper's nest window with the rifle, yet condemning him as the assassin and killer of the President.

Ted Bundy was convicted of some murders in Colorado based entirely on the gas credit card recepits that placed him in the area at the time, so it is possible to get such a murder conviction based simply on being in the vicinity at the time, but the Baker/Truly encounter on the second floor a minute and a half after the last shot gives Oswald an alibi and supports his contention he was on the first floor at the time of the shooting.

Despite DVP's claim that Oswald's Coke bottle tells us nothing, his chief mentor - Vince Bugliosi tells us otherwise, as two of his 53 reasons Oswald is guilty concern the Coke - #13 and #14 - (page 957-958).

13 is the reference DVP mentioned in which Bugliosi claims that on Sunday morning, after many hours of interrogation and little sleep and minutes before he was about to be killed, Oswald "slipped up" and Bugliosi notes: "He said before he could finish whatever he was doing, the commotion surrounding the assassination took place and when he 'went downstairs,' a policeman questioned him as to his identification and his boss stated that he was one of the employees." 36

Some slip up hea?

Then "There is another very powerful reason why we can know that Oswald, at the time of his confrontation with Baker in the second-floor lunchroom, had just come down from the sixth floor, not up from the first floor as he claimed."

Guess what this "very powerful reason" is?

The fact that there was a Dr. Pepper machine on the first floor and since Oswald preferred Dr. Pepper he would have gotten the Dr. Pepper that was right there on the first floor by the back steps rather than go up to the second floor to get a coke. So the coke machine was closer if he had come down the steps rather than up the steps.

But the Dr. Pepper machine was located by the back steps and all indications are that Oswald went up to the second floor by way of the front steps. This would have put him in a position to get change from Mrs. Hine, who had stayed behind to answer the phones, and have him go through the offices and door to the lunchroom through which Baker first saw Oswald in the window.

Bugliosi claims this discovery of the Dr. Pepper machine on the first floor is the clincher, and quotes Frazier and Jim Bishop ("The Day Kennedy Was Shot") and Priscilla Johnson ("Lee and Marina") as saying Oswald preferred Dr. Pepper.

Bugliosi: "So we see that apart from all of the conclusive evidence that Oswald shot Kennedy from the sniper's nest, and therefore had to have descended from there to the second floor, his story about going up to the second floor to get a Coke doesn't even make sense. Why go up to the second floor to get a drink for your lunch when there's a soft drink machine on the first floor, the floor you are already on, particularly when the apparent drink of your choice is on this first floor, not the second floor?"

As already noted, the answer is that Oswald didn't go up the back steps but the front steps, and he may have gotten change from Mrs. Hine, but unlike Bugliosi's speculation, we know for a fact - from Baker seeing Oswald through the window of the closed door - that he entered the second floor lunchroom from the south door that led to the offices and not the west door that led to the back steps.

In any case, Bugliosi's "powerful reason" proving Oswald was on the Sixth Floor is not that powerful at all.

Then he stretches things even further in Reason #14-

"There is yet another reason why Oswald's statements that he was on the first floor eating lunch at the time of the shooting makes no sense at all. If had been, once he heard the shots and the screaming and all the commotion outside, if he were innocent, what is the likelihood that he would have proceeded to go, as he claims, up to the second floor to get himself a Coke? How could any sensible person believe a story like that?"

Well, as far as I'm concerned, the Sixth Floor Sniper didn't get a Coke, but stuck around the sixth floor for awhile, and only a totally innocent person would get a Coke, something he did every day, and a routine others continued - as Dougherty went back to work after the assassination, and Frazer went down the basement and ate lunch, totally sensible for an innocent person.

Edited October 1, 2013 by William Kelly

[David Von Pein]

Well, as far as I'm concerned, the Sixth Floor Sniper didn't get a Coke, but stuck around the sixth floor for awhile, and only a totally innocent person would get a Coke, something he did every day, and a routine others continued - as Dougherty went back to work after the assassination, and Frazer went down the basement and ate lunch, totally sensible for an innocent person.

And it's also sensible from the standpoint of a guilty assassin (Oswald) wanting everything to appear normal and routine after having just shot the President.

Plus, the Coke helps Oswald establish an alibi for the time of the shooting. He can say: "I just went to the second floor to get a Coke" -- which is precisely what he did try to use as his alibi. And the Bill Kellys of the world have fallen for Oswald's Coca-Cola lie.

But the evidence Oswald left behind on the sixth floor is telling a different story, isn't it? (Not to mention Howard Brennan's testimony.)

How do the "Oswald Was Just A Patsy" conspiracy promoters possibly get around that empty brown paper bag found on the sixth floor? I don't think they logically can. Here's what I said about that bag a few years ago--and it still applies today:

"I wonder what the odds are of Lee Harvey Oswald having carried a DIFFERENT brown bag into work from the one WITH HIS TWO IDENTIFIABLE PRINTS ON IT that was found by the cops in the Sniper's Nest on the 6th Floor? The odds must be close to "O.J. DNA" type numbers (in favor of the empty brown bag that was found by the police on the 6th Floor of the Book Depository being the very same bag that Buell Wesley Frazier and Linnie Mae Randle saw in Lee Harvey Oswald's hands on the morning of November 22nd, 1963 AD). I'm eagerly awaiting the logical and believable "conspiracy" explanation that will answer the question of why that 38-inch brown paper sack (which could house Oswald's 34.8-inch disassembled rifle), with Oswald's fingerprints on it, was in the place where it was found after the assassination -- the Sniper's Nest -- and yet still NOT have Oswald present at the SN window on November 22nd, 1963. I, for one, cannot think of a single "Oswald's Innocent" explanation for that bag being where it was found after the shooting, and with Lee Harvey Oswald's fingerprints on it." -- DVP; May 2005

Edited October 1, 2013 by David Von Pein

[Robert Prudhomme]

Well, as far as I'm concerned, the Sixth Floor Sniper didn't get a Coke, but stuck around the sixth floor for awhile, and only a totally innocent person would get a Coke, something he did every day, and a routine others continued - as Dougherty went back to work after the assassination, and Frazer went down the basement and ate lunch, totally sensible for an innocent person.

And it's also sensible from the standpoint of a guilty assassin (Oswald) wanting everything to appear normal and routine after having just shot the President.

Plus, the Coke helps Oswald establish an alibi for the time of the shooting. He can say: "I just went to the second floor to get a Coke" -- which is precisely what he did try to use as his alibi. And the Bill Kellys of the world have fallen for Oswald's Coca-Cola lie.

But the evidence Oswald left behind on the sixth floor is telling a different story, isn't it? (Not to mention Howard Brennan's testimony.)

How do the "Oswald Was Just A Patsy" conspiracy promoters possibly get around that empty brown paper bag found on the sixth floor? I don't think they logically can. Here's what I said about that bag a few years ago--and it still applies today:

"I wonder what the odds are of Lee Harvey Oswald having carried a DIFFERENT brown bag into work from the one WITH HIS TWO IDENTIFIABLE PRINTS ON IT that was found by the cops in the Sniper's Nest on the 6th Floor? The odds must be close to "O.J. DNA" type numbers (in favor of the empty brown bag that was found by the police on the 6th Floor of the Book Depository being the very same bag that Buell Wesley Frazier and Linnie Mae Randle saw in Lee Harvey Oswald's hands on the morning of November 22nd, 1963 AD). I'm eagerly awaiting the logical and believable "conspiracy" explanation that will answer the question of why that 38-inch brown paper sack (which could house Oswald's 34.8-inch disassembled rifle), with Oswald's fingerprints on it, was in the place where it was found after the assassination -- the Sniper's Nest -- and yet still NOT have Oswald present at the SN window on November 22nd, 1963. I, for one, cannot think of a single "Oswald's Innocent" explanation for that bag being where it was found after the shooting, and with Lee Harvey Oswald's fingerprints on it." -- DVP; May 2005

Would you buy a used car from this man?

[Don Roberdeau]

What are the distances from the bench to the picket fence,grassy knoll, and the limo?

Yea, I would like to see a schematic drawing of Dealey Plaza that includes the park bench the black couple was sitting on.

BK

Good Day Bill and Ken.... The following links are each provided for the scaled Dealey Plaza diagrams that also include the 11-22-63 photogrammatically-determined precise location of the sitting park bench that was located just south of the North Pergola's west shelter, close to the north-south leg of the retaining wall (that same sitting bench is visible and partially-visible in several 11-22-63 photos + film frames)....

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/3966/dppluschartsupdated1111.gif

(updated map, + new information)

.... and here ....

http://imageshack.us/a/img397/4074/hscaretaingk313verticalbc7.gif

One of many key details provided on that "hscaretaingk313verticalbc7.gif" retaining wall/GK fence area diagram are the lines-of-sight (hereafter, also abbreviated, "L-o-s") visible in the WILMA BOND photos #5 and #7 for the witness (or witnesses) located very close to that sitting bench mere seconds after the attack shots ended.

.... Mrs. BOND told TRASK that she snapped her photos every 10 to 20 seconds. BOND also stated that her first post-shots photo (BOND #4) was snapped 20 seconds after the shots ended. This indicates that BOND #5 was captured 30 to 40 seconds after the shots, and, BOND #7 was captured 50 to 80 seconds after the shots ended.

.... In BOND #5 we can see the head of someone on their BOND L-o-s (lime green colored) that passes very close to, and north ("behind"), the sitting bench (and that same L-o-s also extends to the nearby sidewalk that leads to the North Pergola's west shelter).

.... In BOND #7 that same person (or a different person) has definitely risen their body upwards noticeably more, and their second lime green colored L-o-s now also intersects directly across the sitting bench (and this L-o-s, again, extended onto the nearby sidewalk).

.... When also examining for this person (or, IMHO, less-likely persons) by employing inverted shades and black & white photo-enhancement to these same BOND #5 then BOND #7 photos (and, examining the other BOND photos snapped before and after BOND #5 along with other photographers photos), the person seen on these 2 L-o-s's very close to the sitting bench is even easier to see IMHO, and, that person is (at those BOND #5 + 7 photos instants) visibly alone in each photo = with (according to GORDON ARNOLD after he claimed many years later) neither of the, supposed, "badge man" assassin, nor his accomplice that each wore a DPD patrolman's uniform ever seen anywhere while they stood upright above the only 3.3' tall retaining wall during the multi-faceted consumed-time of ARNOLD's, supposed, encounters with them.

.... Here is an animation that toggles between BOND #5 and BOND #7 for which each photo in the critical sitting bench area is pegged stationary to each other at the retaining wall horizontal top, the 6" vertical step-rise in the retaining wall, and pegged to the large vertical tree trunk located northwest of the retaining wall and that sitting bench....

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5179/dct.gif

.... and the inverted-shades BOND #5 ....

http://imageshack.us/a/img209/1898/x2y.gif

.... and the inverted-shades BOND #7 ....

http://imageshack.us/a/img818/3479/9ao.gif

.... We can see that in the 20 to 40-seconds between BOND #5 to #7 this person has risen distinctly upwards (in BOND #7, they were then visible from their mid-chest, up to their head top), and, they have already moved a noticeable distance (possibly/probably southward, closer to Elm Street) = possibly looking towards Elm Street, and possibly/probably they had risen upwards to obtain a more comprehensive view to be able to see more over the 3.3' tall retaining wall and watch the aftermath actions of the gunshots-experienced, real DPD policemen and the many fellow witnesses closeby within their view that were located lower than them and that swarmed towards them, and swarmed towards the grassy knoll, swarmed towards the picket fence, and, swarmed towards + into the vehicles parking lot area directly "behind" (north of) the GK picket fence.

Another of many interesting consideration's is that right around the same instant of JFK's head first exploding in the NIX film, there is a probably-human-originated movement visible in this same in-tree-shaded, upper retaining wall area on a L-o-s (green colored) that also extends to that very same pergola sidewalk. That human-originated movement seems to have moved quickly north to north-northeastward, away from Elm Street, and the visible quick movement definitely looks to me to quickly move from an initial higher location towards a lower location: possibly someone quickly diving northeastward, away from Elm Street, and/or, moving away from a loud, audible muzzle blast and/or away from the supersonic "whip-crack" caused by a bullet's bow shock N-wave trajectory that was triggered from a source to their right as they faced Elm Street; fired from where the grassy knoll picket fence was located; possibly triggered by the same "hat man assassin" captured in the MOORMAN #5 polaroid seen photo-located 14' west of the corner of the grassy knoll picket fence = where the HSCA also test-fired shots and scientifically determined to more than a 95% probability that an assassin fired a circa Z-290 to 294 shot that missed everyone).... The green L-o-s of that probable witness seen in NIX diving northeastward at right around the JFK head shot, intersects with the BOND #5 person lime green L-o-s at a point on the westernmost side of that same North Pergola sidewalk, approximately 10' "behind" (northwest of) and close to the same sitting bench.

With regard to the young black couple that MARILYN SITZMAN stated to Dr. JOSIAH THOMPSON she watched sitting on/near the retaining wall bench while sharing their lunch shortly before the attack started, within this post-thread BILL KELLY has indicated, and he has indicated totally accurately with respect to the claims of Ms. EVELYN KING about her and her brother ARTHUR that are known and have been publicly reported by researchers to date.... I am in contact with someone who (because I have 38-years experience interviewing 43 actually-there Dealey Plaza witnesses) may be able to provide me with Ms. KING's contact information (ARTHUR has passed-on). If Ms. KING is willing, I have already composed + prepared a very thought-through, very detailed list of exacting questions for Ms. KING.... As when speaking with all witness to events before, during, and/or after the attack, I will publicly report on her answers that she provides for us if she gives me permission to do so while she is alive.

Additionally, since it has been brought up within this posts-thread, here is provided the link for my scaled diagram of the TSBD 2nd floor that includes key details of the BAKER-OSWALD-then-TRULY encounter that happened a tests-recreated 75-90 seconds after the attack after DPD patrolman MARRION LEWIS BAKER remembered hearing (or, that he could hear) his first "shot" audible muzzle blast or his first "shot" mechanically suppressed-fired "silenced" supersonic bullet bow shock N-wave that he could hear that he first warrenatti-testified was triggered from the TSBD, or he could hear it was fired from the Dal-tex Building....

http://imageshack.us/a/img525/8351/daltexduplicatestsbd100.gif

.... and ....

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/8651/dtroofcopiestsbd.gif

.... and ....

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/6969/bronson5recreationdalte.gif

.... and ....

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/2640/daltexcopiesanglessl.jpg

.... and ....

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/2664/19631123daltexmackwhite.jpg

.... and ....

"Mis-direction ~ ~ What the eyes see, and the ears hear, the mind believes."

(JOHN TRAVOLTA, “Swordfish,” 2001)

.... One key detail of several that I will also be adding is with respect to this 2nd floor BAKER-OSWALD-then-TRULY encounter diagram I entitled, "The TRULY Trap" is that ROY TRULY (who led and moved up the stairs a distance, and, an amount of time ahead of BAKER) indicated that when he first reached + moved from the top of the second floor stairs landing, around to the stairwell stairs entrance that led to the third floor, he was not attracted to see anyone nor anything moving, and, the door into the vestibule space located outside the 2nd floor lunchroom was already fully-closed ....

.... This is very important because that same outer vestibule door was primarily controlled by a hydraulic mechanism that caused the door to close on its own, very slowly = and therefore, it took additional time after the door had already also been opened (opened, supposedly, by OSWALD, per the warrenatti-report-canard) for the door to then, actually already become the fully-closed that TRULY indicated....

Best Regards in Research

+++Don

Donald Roberdeau

United States Navy

U.S.S. John F. Kennedy, CV-67, plank walker

Sooner, or later, The Truth emerges Clearly

For your key considerations + independent determinations....

Homepage: President KENNEDY "Men of Courage" speech, and Assassination Evidence, Witnesses, Photographers, Suspects, + Outstanding Researchers Discoveries + Key Considerations.... http://droberdeau.blogspot.com/2009/08/1-men-of-courage-jfk-assassination_09.html

The Dealey Plaza Detailed Map: Detailing 11-22-63 Victims Precise Locations + Reactions, Evidence, Witnesses Locations, Photographers, Suspected Bullet Trajectories, Important Information + Key Considerations, in One Convenient Resource....

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/3966/dppluschartsupdated1111.gif

(updated map, + new information)

Visual Report: The First Bullet Impact Into President Kennedy: While JFK was Still Hidden Under the "magic-limbed-ricochet-tree"....

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/2446/206cropjfk1102308ms8.gif

Visual Report: Reality Versus C.A.D. : the Real World, versus, Garbage-in, Garbage-out.... http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/5066/jsf.gif

Discovery: "Very Close JFK Assassination Witness ROSEMARY WILLIS

Zapruder Film Documented 2nd Headsnap: West, Ultrafast, and

Directly Towards the Grassy Knoll"....

http://droberdeau.blogspot.com/2011/01/discovery-close-jfk-assassination.html

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For the United States:

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Edited November 4, 2013 by Don Roberdeau

[Mark Knight]

DVP has managed once again to turn a thread about Oswald buying/drinking a Coke or a Dr Pepper into another anti-CT harangue.

Dave, I have a question for you: Would the government lie to us?

Before you answer, think in terms of the experiences of the American Indians [or Native Americans, if you prefer to be politically correct].

If the government would NOT lie to us, then the WC report is 100% truthful and factual, as you believe it is. If the goverment WOULD lie to us, then the WC Report is yet another mountain of papers and photos that should be carefully examined, to see whether the evidence supports the conclusions.

And I know that, because I question you, you're going to call me a CT. And Dave, that's not true. I have no evidence of a conspiracy to present. I simply have grave doubts about Oswald's guilt. You seem to think that because the Mannlicher-Carcano was found in the sniper's nest, that automatically makes Oswald the triggerman..."he MUST have done it," in your opinion. Yet DPD Chief Jessse Curry is on record as saying, "We never could place Oswald in that window with a gun in his hand."

If you're familiar with the American concept of justice, Curry's statement is evidence of "reasonable doubt." Yeah, you cite Brennan; I counter with Brennan's failure [for whatever reason] to pick Oswald out of a lineup.

REASONABLE DOUBT.

As I said, I don't quite see a conspiracy. Not sure there was one, outside the SBT. I don't know that there wasn't a lone nut shooting at JFK. But there is REASONABLE DOUBT that it was Oswald. And to say that Oswald "must have" done it doesn't make it so, Dave.

If Oswald's coke bottle was recovered...and it turned out to be a Dr Pepper...that would cast doubts on several elements of the WC narrative. Since the bottle was [allegedly] never recovered [at least it wasn't retained as evidence], I guess we'll all have to remain agnostic on that point, and agree that we'll probably never know the truth about the Coke/Dr Pepper/whatever it was. But if Oswald already had a Dr Pepper in his hand from the machine on the first floor, Ozzie buying a Coke from the machine on the 2nd floor becomes a lot less likely, IMHO...which makes the details of the 2nd floor lunchroom encounter even more doubtful.

[David Von Pein]

You seem to think that because the Mannlicher-Carcano was found in the sniper's nest, that automatically makes Oswald the triggerman.

I don't think I've ever made that specific claim (based on JUST isolating the Carcano rifle by itself). But that rifle WAS Oswald's rifle, so yes, it's a darn good starting point for sure. And btw, the rifle wasn't found "in the sniper's nest". It was found in the northwest corner of the sixth floor near the stairway.

But the things that WERE found in the Sniper's Nest, coupled with that rifle that was found on the other side of the sixth floor, present a very strong case for Lee Oswald being the assassin of JFK.

Plus there's Howard Brennan's testimony too, which is testimony that almost all CTers will totally dismiss without even giving mild consideration as to whether Brennan told the truth when he told the WC that he saw Oswald firing a gun at the President.

So, it's the sum total of facts and evidence and Oswald's very own actions that lead me to believe Lee Oswald killed both President Kennedy and Officer J.D. Tippit. And Oswald's movements and actions cannot be dismissed and just tossed aside (although many conspiracists seem to want to do that very thing).

Let's face it -- Oswald acted like a guilty person just after JFK and Tippit were shot. How can anyone deny that fact when we have the fight in the theater staring us in the face each day? Does an innocent person pull a gun on the police? Would an innocent "patsy" exclaim "It's all over now" just before pulling out a gun and fighting wildly with police officers?

And I want to ask this question again, because I don't think it's asked very often:

If Lee Harvey Oswald had been the totally innocent patsy that so many conspiracy believers think he was, then why did the Dallas Police Department charge him with TWO separate murders prior to midnight on November 22, 1963? Do the cops normally officially charge people with DOUBLE MURDER if they have absolutely no evidence against the person being charged?

Yet DPD Chief Jesse Curry is on record as saying, "We never could place Oswald in that window with a gun in his hand."

And yet we have this very early statement made by Chief Curry to the press on live television on November 23rd, 1963:

"I think this is the man that killed the President."

JESSE CURRY STATEMENT TO THE PRESS (11/23/63)

SIX INTERVIEWS WITH CHIEF CURRY

Now, Curry certainly must have had some pretty good reason (i.e., evidence) to make the above statement on national TV just 24 hours after JFK was murdered. Wouldn't you think?

If Oswald's coke bottle was recovered...and it turned out to be a Dr Pepper...that would cast doubts on several elements of the WC narrative. Since the bottle was [allegedly] never recovered [at least it wasn't retained as evidence], I guess we'll all have to remain agnostic on that point, and agree that we'll probably never know the truth about the Coke/Dr Pepper/whatever it was. But if Oswald already had a Dr Pepper in his hand from the machine on the first floor, Ozzie buying a Coke from the machine on the 2nd floor becomes a lot less likely, IMHO.

Such a "Dr. Pepper bottle" discovery would actually be really good for the "lone assassin" believers such as myself, because it would prove even more that Lee Oswald was a xxxx when he said to FBI agents Hosty and Bookhout that he went to the second floor specifically to buy a Coca-Cola from the vending machine in the lunchroom [WR; Page 613].

So any "Dr. Pepper" bottle that could be conclusively linked to Oswald would tend to bolster the "LN" story, not make it crumble. Because I do not think the second-floor soda machine dispensed Dr. Pepper. That's why there was another machine on the first floor marked "Dr. Pepper".

Edited October 2, 2013 by David Von Pein

[David G. Healy]

...

But the evidence Oswald left behind on the sixth floor is telling a different story, isn't it? (Not to mention Howard Brennan's testimony.)

...

and what version of Brennan's testimony are you pinning your hopes: first, second or third?

Edited October 2, 2013 by David G. Healy

[David Von Pein]

And what version of Brennan's testimony are you pinning your hopes: first, second or third?

JFK Archives / HOWARD BRENNAN (PART 2)

Edited October 2, 2013 by David Von Pein

[David G. Healy]

And what version of Brennan's testimony are you pinning your hopes: first, second or third?

JFK Archives / HOWARD BRENNAN (PART 2)

not asking for the secret recipe for KFC Crispy... speak up counselor.

[David Von Pein]

not asking for the secret recipe for KFC Crispy... speak up counselor.

There is no "secret recipe" for Crispy, you silly willy.

Anyway, here are instructions for Healy:

Place cursor over blue underlined text (that's called a "link"). Then click mouse.

(More detailed instructions available upon request. Just send $9.95 to CIA Disinfo HQ;

Langley, VA. 22101)

Edited October 2, 2013 by David Von Pein