Anthony DeFiore Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 Is anyone heading out and interested in joining me for some good food, plenty of drinks and some JFK talk? I've lived in and out of Pittsburgh all my life, and I know some nice restuarants and watering holes. Send me a message if you can join me. TD defiorejfk@gmail.com
Cliff Varnell Posted October 14, 2013 Posted October 14, 2013 Is anyone heading out and interested in joining me for some good food, plenty of drinks and some JFK talk? I've lived in and out of Pittsburgh all my life, and I know some nice restuarants and watering holes. Send me a message if you can join me. TD defiorejfk@gmail.com Hi Anthony, I wonder if you could do me a favor? Would it be possible you could keep a mental note of how often the following question is asked from the podium at Wecht: "What happened to the bullets that caused JFK's throat and back wounds?" I've pledged to donate $1 to a local charity every time that question is asked at Wecht. I've got a jug-full of pennies, and I could use an excuse to cash them in, although I seriously doubt I'll need to, or that my favor will tax you in the slightest. Thanks in advance Cliff
Anthony DeFiore Posted October 15, 2013 Author Posted October 15, 2013 Is anyone heading out and interested in joining me for some good food, plenty of drinks and some JFK talk? I've lived in and out of Pittsburgh all my life, and I know some nice restuarants and watering holes. Send me a message if you can join me. TD defiorejfk@gmail.com Hi Anthony, I wonder if you could do me a favor? Would it be possible you could keep a mental note of how often the following question is asked from the podium at Wecht: "What happened to the bullets that caused JFK's throat and back wounds?" I've pledged to donate $1 to a local charity every time that question is asked at Wecht. I've got a jug-full of pennies, and I could use an excuse to cash them in, although I seriously doubt I'll need to, or that my favor will tax you in the slightest. Thanks in advance Cliff Sardonic or genuinely asked, I believe that you should get a hand full of dollars ready for your charity! LOL!
Cliff Varnell Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 Is anyone heading out and interested in joining me for some good food, plenty of drinks and some JFK talk? I've lived in and out of Pittsburgh all my life, and I know some nice restuarants and watering holes. Send me a message if you can join me. TD defiorejfk@gmail.com Hi Anthony, I wonder if you could do me a favor? Would it be possible you could keep a mental note of how often the following question is asked from the podium at Wecht: "What happened to the bullets that caused JFK's throat and back wounds?" I've pledged to donate $1 to a local charity every time that question is asked at Wecht. I've got a jug-full of pennies, and I could use an excuse to cash them in, although I seriously doubt I'll need to, or that my favor will tax you in the slightest. Thanks in advance Cliff Sardonic or genuinely asked, I believe that you should get a hand full of dollars ready for your charity! LOL! It would restore my faith in JFK assassination researchers. Thanks, Anthony.
William Kelly Posted October 16, 2013 Posted October 16, 2013 I'm heading to Pittsburg and will try to blog live from the conference at http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com Send me a PM or if you have my email you can email me with some feedback or questions. BK
Cliff Varnell Posted October 16, 2013 Posted October 16, 2013 Is anyone heading out and interested in joining me for some good food, plenty of drinks and some JFK talk? I've lived in and out of Pittsburgh all my life, and I know some nice restuarants and watering holes. Send me a message if you can join me. TD defiorejfk@gmail.com Hi Anthony, I wonder if you could do me a favor? Would it be possible you could keep a mental note of how often the following question is asked from the podium at Wecht: "What happened to the bullets that caused JFK's throat and back wounds?" I've pledged to donate $1 to a local charity every time that question is asked at Wecht. I've got a jug-full of pennies, and I could use an excuse to cash them in, although I seriously doubt I'll need to, or that my favor will tax you in the slightest. Thanks in advance Cliff Oddsmakers in Vegas and Machau have handicapped various propositions as to who might ask The Central Question from the podium at Wecht. No One and Larry Sabato are co-favorites, going off at 6-5. The rest of the field comes in at 10-1, total for all. The thinking is that Sabato might pull a David Von Pein and go -- "Well, if the SBT doesn't work then what happened to the bullets that caused JFK's throat and back wounds? Hunh?! Hunh?!" There's a chance someone might go Full Metal Lifton, in which case the Central Question is going to be asked, so the rest of the field comes in at 10 to 1.
William Kelly Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 (edited) I'm heading to Pittsburg and will try to blog live from the conference at http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com Send me a PM or if you have my email you can email me with some feedback or questions. BK Okay, I'm here, blogging from the main hall at the Wecht conference. Have sent my first report to http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com And I was going to ask a question but I forgot what it is, what am I suppose to ask them again Cliff? Edited October 17, 2013 by William Kelly
Cliff Varnell Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 I'm heading to Pittsburg and will try to blog live from the conference at http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com Send me a PM or if you have my email you can email me with some feedback or questions. BK Okay, I'm here, blogging from the main hall at the Wecht conference. Have sent my first report to http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com And I was going to ask a question but I forgot what it is, what am I suppose to ask them again Cliff? I don't want you to ask them anything. I'm only curious to know if the central issue relating to the assassination of John F. Kennedy is going to be addressed at this august gathering of experts. Bill, every time this central question is asked -- "What happened to the bullets that caused the throat and back wounds?" -- from the podium at Wecht, I'll give a buck to my favorite local charity, Tami the Street Sheet Lady. Don't let her down, Bill...
William Kelly Posted October 19, 2013 Posted October 19, 2013 Hey Cliff In his opening welcome spiel, Cyril Wect himself asked the question. he didn't know the answer and he asked the question. Others had different answers, but I'll have to get back to you on it. BK
Cliff Varnell Posted October 19, 2013 Posted October 19, 2013 Hey Cliff In his opening welcome spiel, Cyril Wect himself asked the question. he didn't know the answer and he asked the question. Others had different answers, but I'll have to get back to you on it. BK Excellent! Thank you, Bill!
Cliff Varnell Posted October 21, 2013 Posted October 21, 2013 Hey Cliff In his opening welcome spiel, Cyril Wect himself asked the question. he didn't know the answer and he asked the question. Others had different answers, but I'll have to get back to you on it. BK Excellent! Thank you, Bill! I'm gathering so far I owe Tami a buck. Cyril Wecht asked the central question -- and then went on TV with an utterly pornographic answer. "The President was shot three times--once, striking him in the back, and exiting from the front of his neck. Yeah, that's the shot you see when he emerges from behind the Stemmons Freeway sign, and his hands come up in this kind of defensive posture." What a joke. The JFK Assassination Porn Industry richly deserves the title.
William Kelly Posted October 22, 2013 Posted October 22, 2013 (edited) Hey Cliff In his opening welcome spiel, Cyril Wect himself asked the question. he didn't know the answer and he asked the question. Others had different answers, but I'll have to get back to you on it. BK Excellent! Thank you, Bill! I'm gathering so far I owe Tami a buck. Cyril Wecht asked the central question -- and then went on TV with an utterly pornographic answer. "The President was shot three times--once, striking him in the back, and exiting from the front of his neck. Yeah, that's the shot you see when he emerges from behind the Stemmons Freeway sign, and his hands come up in this kind of defensive posture." What a joke. The JFK Assassination Porn Industry richly deserves the title. As far as I can tell it was Steve Sailer's Assassination Porn blog of February 26, 2008 that first used the term porn in relation to the assassination, http://isteve.blogspot.com/2008/02/assassination-porn.html, and the most recent, other than Cliff Varnell's repeated use of it here, is Joe Mysak's October 21, Bloomberg News article "Kennedy's Tainted Camelot Inspires Assassination Porn." But it is Cliff Varnell's who makes it seem that he is using it for sexual pleasure, so I call upon the moderators to monitor these posts, as while some like CV may think what we are discussing is a joke, the mental or sexual perversions of some members of the forum shouldn't prevent others from considering the seriousness of our topic. Varnell can use the term to dismiss everything anybody else writes about the subject, and though he might get off on it, he didn't coin the term, and for the record, here is what Mysak said: "Sabato writes that the shooting, 'is critical both to understanding America's past and future paths and to the lasting legacy of John Kennedy.' No it isn't. the Kennedy legacy, such as it is, steadily diminishes with the passing of the years. What's left is assassination porn." Now that we know Mysak's opinion we don't have to subscribe to it, and can continue researching and writing about what we think is an important topic, and we know CV's opinion, that it is or we are a "joke,' but I don't think we have to be continually reminded and subjected to it. If he thinks it is a joke and porn he should be politely asked to go visit porn sites that get him off and not visit those he thinks are jokes. And I'd like to hear some more from Anthony and other forum members who were at the Wecht porn fest to hear what they have to say about it. BK Edited October 22, 2013 by William Kelly
William Kelly Posted October 22, 2013 Posted October 22, 2013 Review by Jacob Hornberger - http://fff.org/2013/10/21/a-great-conference-on-the-jfk-assassination-at-duquesne-university/
Cliff Varnell Posted October 22, 2013 Posted October 22, 2013 Bill, Are you kidding me? Sexual pleasure? From a baseball double entendre? The Porn I refer to is defined as "useless but titillating information." Like what we get from guys like Wecht. Congratulations on your non-porn presentation, Bill. You and Jim DiEugenio apparently did excellent jobs covering highly crucial areas of the case. But the JFK Assassination Critical Community is a joke. Sorry.
Cliff Varnell Posted October 22, 2013 Posted October 22, 2013 (edited) Varnell can use the term to dismiss everything anybody else writes about the subject, and though he might get off on it, he didn't coin the term, and for the record, here is what Mysak said: "Sabato writes that the shooting, 'is critical both to understanding America's past and future paths and to the lasting legacy of John Kennedy.' No it isn't. the Kennedy legacy, such as it is, steadily diminishes with the passing of the years. What's left is assassination porn." Bill, I don't agree with the above statement, it's a worthless generalization, in my book.. A lot depends on context A discussion of the head wounds in the context of the murder of JFK is "assassination porn" -- we can't know how many times he was hit in the head and we don't know if there was pre-autopsy surgery to the head. Any study of the cover-up of the assassination, however, would address all the conflicts with the head wounds evidence. But the head wounds don't tell us anything about the killing of JFK. Neither does CE399. As a study of the cover-up within the FBI its a genuine area of study -- but when put into evidence as proof of conspiracy its just more noise, more Assassination Porn. There may be value to studying Z-film alteration as a study of the cover-up, but it's Assassination Porn in my opinion because it distracts from crucial segments early in the film, the authenticity of which is not challenged. How 'bout that Oswald! A great subject to study in the context of the competing cover-ups, but we can't rule out the possibility that Oswald's handlers were also groomed to be patsies given certain contingencies. Not every subject is assassination porn, Bill. You and Jim seem to have run a clean program. btw, I take credit for coining The JFK Assassination Porn Industry. An update of Schotz 1998 critique, if you will. Edited October 22, 2013 by Cliff Varnell
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