Bob Schieffer, Face The Nation, just called Warren Commission "COMPLETELY DYSFUNCTIONAL"

[Guest Robert Morrow]

The average listener to Face The Nation took away three things that are important in my opinion:

Peggy Noonan of The Wall Street Journal said, paraphrasing, that it is amazing that 50 years later we are still learning new information about the Kennedy assassination.

Tom Johnson, a former LBJ press secretary, related the story of how the FBI had destroyed after the assassination a letter delivered to its Dallas office from Oswald and covered this for years thereafter.

Finally, author Philip Shenon and Bob Schieffer discussed how dysfunctional the Warren Commission was with only three members actively participating and with a staff comprised of young personnel who had no idea what they were up against in dealing with the cover-ups being perpetrated by the CIA and FBI.

How often does one hear fascinating stuff like this on one of the three major networks?

Good point, Doug. The MSM is finally admitting to a stench coming from the Warren Commission. They are still nowhere near the truth: coup d'état with the VP involved up to his bloody eyeballs.

That Tom Johnson you see on TV is the most influential member of the LBJ Library - called Chairman Emeritus now - and he has been actively working behind the scenes to sink Roger Stone's book indicting Lyndon Johnson. He has basically been telling news executives don't you dare talk about Lyndon Johnson murdering JFK. I have noticed NYT and Wash Post doing a spectacular job of ignoring Stone.... but he will be heard from, mark my word.

Tom Johnson, former head of CNN, is Jack Valenti part 2, the cover up man for the LBJ Legacy crowd. I must say their powers are diminishing significantly, thank God.

Tom Johnson on LBJ Library: http://www.lbjlibrary.org/page/foundation/board-of-directors/

Edited October 28, 2013 by Robert Morrow

[Chris Newton]

Chris,

I've read that some clandestine photos of Oswald (not those taken of the infamous Mexico City Mystery Man or Mystery Men) were taken outside of one of the embassies.

I'm going from memory here, but I think I read that one of the photos showed Oswald's face in profile.

The photos I'm talking about never made it into the public domain, and they are obviously not the same ones that the article is referring to.

--Tommy

Tommy,

I've heard the same thing somewhere but usually brought up within within some LN counterargument with a <shrug> as to why such a piece of evidence (that is a LN'er wet dream) wouldn't be made public.

If it were real, the only logic I can come up for it's disappearance is that it was destroyed in the same manner as Hosty's note in a panic soon after the assassination. Speaking of Hosty's note...

Tom Johnson, a former LBJ press secretary, related the story of how the FBI had destroyed after the assassination a letter delivered to its Dallas office from Oswald and covered this for years thereafter.

Douglas,

Isn't this really old news? One panelist suggested that the note contained a threat to "blow up" the FBI office if they didn't stop harassing Marina. This is completely disingenuous because it's not what Hosty testified to in his statement. The fact is that we don't know what was on the note but we can speculate and whatever it said, it was not something the FBI wanted to come out.

Their excuse that it was an embarrassment, that it revealed contact between the FBI and Oswald before the assassination is ridiculous because their visits to Oswald's home were going to be revealed anyway.

I suspect it has to do with Oswald's role as an informant and that is the really explosive information that had to be suppressed.

[Douglas Caddy]

Chris,

I've read that some clandestine photos of Oswald (not those taken of the infamous Mexico City Mystery Man or Mystery Men) were taken outside of one of the embassies.

I'm going from memory here, but I think I read that one of the photos showed Oswald's face in profile.

The photos I'm talking about never made it into the public domain, and they are obviously not the same ones that the article is referring to.

--Tommy

Tommy,

I've heard the same thing somewhere but usually brought up within within some LN counterargument with a <shrug> as to why such a piece of evidence (that is a LN'er wet dream) wouldn't be made public.

If it were real, the only logic I can come up for it's disappearance is that it was destroyed in the same manner as Hosty's note in a panic soon after the assassination. Speaking of Hosty's note...

Tom Johnson, a former LBJ press secretary, related the story of how the FBI had destroyed after the assassination a letter delivered to its Dallas office from Oswald and covered this for years thereafter.

Douglas,

Isn't this really old news? One panelist suggested that the note contained a threat to "blow up" the FBI office if they didn't stop harassing Marina. This is completely disingenuous because it's not what Hosty testified to in his statement. The fact is that we don't know what was on the note but we can speculate and whatever it said, it was not something the FBI wanted to come out.

Their excuse that it was an embarrassment, that it revealed contact between the FBI and Oswald before the assassination is ridiculous because their visits to Oswald's home were going to be revealed anyway.

I suspect it has to do with Oswald's role as an informant and that is the really explosive information that had to be suppressed.

All this is old news to us. But 75 percent of Americans alive today were not alive when JFK was killed. It is new news to them. I hope the mass media in the coming weeks brings forth information of the assassination that may be old news to us but a revelation to others.

[Pat Speer]

The average listener to Face The Nation took away three things that are important in my opinion:

Peggy Noonan of The Wall Street Journal said, paraphrasing, that it is amazing that 50 years later we are still learning new information about the Kennedy assassination.

Tom Johnson, a former LBJ press secretary, related the story of how the FBI had destroyed after the assassination a letter delivered to its Dallas office from Oswald and covered this for years thereafter.

Finally, author Philip Shenon and Bob Schieffer discussed how dysfunctional the Warren Commission was with only three members actively participating and with a staff comprised of young personnel who had no idea what they were up against in dealing with the cover-ups being perpetrated by the CIA and FBI.

How often does one hear fascinating stuff like this on one of the three major networks?

You're right, Doug. It was kinda refreshing...a long discussion of the Kennedy assassination on a major network in which the focus was on the failures of the Warren Commission, and the wrong-doings of the FBI and CIA, in which NONE of the participants found it necessary to complain about conspiracy theorists or add "Now, of course, Oswald was a lone nut, but...."

[Pat Speer]

Chris,

I've read that some clandestine photos of Oswald (not those taken of the infamous Mexico City Mystery Man or Mystery Men) were taken outside of one of the embassies.

I'm going from memory here, but I think I read that one of the photos showed Oswald's face in profile.

The photos I'm talking about never made it into the public domain, and they are obviously not the same ones that the article is referring to.

--Tommy

Tommy,

I've heard the same thing somewhere but usually brought up within within some LN counterargument with a <shrug> as to why such a piece of evidence (that is a LN'er wet dream) wouldn't be made public.

If it were real, the only logic I can come up for it's disappearance is that it was destroyed in the same manner as Hosty's note in a panic soon after the assassination. Speaking of Hosty's note...

Tom Johnson, a former LBJ press secretary, related the story of how the FBI had destroyed after the assassination a letter delivered to its Dallas office from Oswald and covered this for years thereafter.

Douglas,

Isn't this really old news? One panelist suggested that the note contained a threat to "blow up" the FBI office if they didn't stop harassing Marina. This is completely disingenuous because it's not what Hosty testified to in his statement. The fact is that we don't know what was on the note but we can speculate and whatever it said, it was not something the FBI wanted to come out.

Their excuse that it was an embarrassment, that it revealed contact between the FBI and Oswald before the assassination is ridiculous because their visits to Oswald's home were going to be revealed anyway.

I suspect it has to do with Oswald's role as an informant and that is the really explosive information that had to be suppressed.

The secretary who saw the note said Oswald threatened to blow up the building. That was the story that hit the papers. The Church Committee looked into this, however, and Hosty said it was not that bad, that it said something like "if you don't stop talking to my wife you'll regret it." In any event, the real story, that of course no one on Face the Nation knew or cared to share, was that even after Hosty and several others came forward and admitted Hosty had destroyed the note, under orders from above, Dallas SAIC Shanklin continued to deny any knowledge of the incident. Yep, that's right, the Dallas FBI SAIC during the investigation of Kennedy's death was exposed as a big fat xxxx, by his own men. It kinda makes you wonder what else he would, and did, lie about.

[Anthony DeFiore]

I was AMAZED when Spook Bob Woodward exonerated Castro on Face The Nation!

I'm reading Roger Stone's book on LBJ. Many interesting points. His Nixon perspective interests me but the Trick plays just as dirty as LBJ in the book. Personally, I think that Nixon's comment on one of his tapes, "If Bobby Kennedy would have had more wiretaps he might have uncovered the Oswald plan."

FROM www.jfkmurdersolved.com: He (Nixon) claimed that Robert Kennedy, as attorney general, had authorized a larger number of wiretaps than his own administration. "But I don't criticize it," he declared, adding, "if he had ten more and as a result of wiretaps had been able to discover the Oswald Plan, it would have been worth it."

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_{Email from a friend on this topic:}

_{"Watch Bob Shieffer and Phil Shenon Propagate "Castro Did It" Lies about JFK Killing}

_{Begin forwarded message:}

_{Subject: Watch Bob Shieffer and Phil Shenon Propagate 'Castro Did It Lies' About JFK Killing}

_{US MEDIA INTELL MACHINE GEARS UP FOR 50TH ANNIVERSARY OF COUP D' ETAT}

_{TODAY OF CBS's FACE THE NATION:}

_{http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50157970n}

_{3 segments}

_{Amazing bald-faced lies by former NY Times reporter Phil Shenon and Dallas's own Bob Schieffer. Watch Shenon's face as he lies. He was partner with discredited Judith Miller at NY Times and has deep intelligence connections.}

_{Show is dedicated to his new fraud 'Castro did it' book on Kennedy assassination.}

_{Watch and listen how they frame Oswald who was never in Mexico City and was impersonated. Photo of impersonator and tapes of impersonator on phone were listened to and looked at by J. Edgar Hoover who called LBJ to say that Oswald was being impersonated in Mexico City. This is all in the public record now and is no secret to anyone familiar with the case.}

_{Shenon knows all this.}

_{Watch and listen how they avoid PUBLIC documents and recordings of J EDGAR HOOVER and LBJ published and released}

_{The Mexico City Tapes}

President Lyndon Johnson on the telephone.

_{At 10 AM on the morning following the Kennedy assassination, President Lyndon Johnson and FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover discussed the state of the case over the telephone. In response to LBJ's question about "the visit to the Soviet Embassy in September," Hoover replied:}

_{J. Edger Hoover: to LBJ:}

_{"No, that’s one angle that’s very confusing, for this reason—we have up here the tape and the photograph of the man who was at the Soviet embassy, using Oswald’s name. That picture and the tape do not correspond to this man’s voice, nor to his appearance. In other words, it appears that there is a second person who was at the Soviet embassy down there."}

_{That's from November 23, 1963}

_{Here's the rest of it:}

_{http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?absPageId=69784&amp;imageOnly=true}

_{I'll be dead by the end of the week...}

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&nbsp; Edited October 28, 2013 by Anthony DeFiore

[Chris Newton]

"If Bobby Kennedy would have had more wiretaps he might have uncovered the Oswald plan."

If Oswald was a Lone Nut, how would 10 or 10,000,000 wiretaps have helped uncover "the plan"?

[Thomas Graves]

"If Bobby Kennedy would have had more wiretaps he might have uncovered the Oswald plan."

If Oswald was a Lone Nut, how would 10 or 10,000,000 wiretaps have helped uncover "the plan"?

Chris,

I agree.

It would make more sense if Nixon was talking about a plan for Oswald, not by Oswald.

--Tommy

Edited October 29, 2013 by Thomas Graves

[Guest Robert Morrow]

Roger Stone's book The Man Who Killed Kennedy: the Case Against LBJ is quite historically significant. For the first time ever we know that Richard Nixon knew that Jack Ruby was a "Lyndon Johnson" man from the 1940's HUAC, a paid informant for that committee.

That is huge and it alone is worth the price of admission into Stone's book: http://www.amazon.com/The-Man-Who-Killed-Kennedy/dp/1626363137/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1383018257&sr=8-1&keywords=roger+stone

I guess is should not be stunning that the NYT and the Wash Post are making a pointed effort to ignore Stone's book. Ditto the Politico.

There are many other significant revelations in Stone's book - several other high level political players from Roy Cohn, Tony Fats Salerno and Henry Cabot Lodge all believed that a combination of LBJ, CIA and the mafia were involved in the JFK assassination.

I would add in the military (Lansdale, LeMay) and Dallas, TX oil and defense contractor execs as well as my additional perps in the JFK assassination.

Edited October 29, 2013 by Robert Morrow

[Anthony DeFiore]

Chris, "The Plan": the fake 201 File, The Patsy Plan, and the people pulling his strings.

 

"If Bobby Kennedy would have had more wiretaps he might have uncovered the Oswald plan."

If Oswald was a Lone Nut, how would 10 or 10,000,000 wiretaps have helped uncover "the plan"?

 

[Chris Newton]

Chris, "The Plan": the fake 201 File, The Patsy Plan, and the people pulling his strings.

I know. I was being a little satirical maybe. So who's Nixon suggesting he should have tapped more? It does't sound to me like Nixon was being serious. More than likely it's a poor jest by Nixon at RFK's expense. I'm firmly in the conspiracy camp, but wasn't RFK tapping mobsters mostly? Nixon knows all about the "Bay of Pigs" thing and the CIA so why try, (if he was, in fact serious), to deflect suspicion to organized crime?

[Chuck Robbins]

"If Bobby Kennedy would have had more wiretaps he might have uncovered the Oswald plan."

If Oswald was a Lone Nut, how would 10 or 10,000,000 wiretaps have helped uncover "the plan"?

Chris,

I agree.

It would make more sense if Nixon was talking about a plan for Oswald, not by Oswald.

--Tommy

I think he knew of the existence of the Milteer tape. I believe he might have been saying that if Bobby Kennedy had been given the wiretap (tape recording) of Joseph Milteer he might have been made aware of the "Oswald plan".

[Anthony DeFiore]

Good point.

 

"If Bobby Kennedy would have had more wiretaps he might have uncovered the Oswald plan."

If Oswald was a Lone Nut, how would 10 or 10,000,000 wiretaps have helped uncover "the plan"?

Chris,

I agree.

It would make more sense if Nixon was talking about a plan for Oswald, not by Oswald.

--Tommy

I think he knew of the existence of the Milteer tape. I believe he might have been saying that if Bobby Kennedy had been given the wiretap (tape recording) of Joseph Milteer he might have been made aware of the "Oswald plan".

 

[Greg Burnham]

Schieffer has an article in this months ARRP magazine and really does leverage his being in Dallas, establishing a position that he was there and and something of an insider and would have know if something was fishy. He may not intend that but it certainly has that feel.

He also notes that he remains open minded but has never seen a single thing that would tend to change his view of the official story and the WCR. Which of course is fine if he has done any reading or investigation on his own - if he is saying that without having made any inquires over say the last 20 years or read any books such as McKnights, Law's, Feister's etc then I would find it a bit annoying.

I find Schieffer's account quite suspect due to his alleged timeline of the events. In the article you cite he reports the following:

When we got word he had been shot, I raced to the office and, as I pulled into the Star-Telegram parking lot, the bulletin came over the radio: The president was dead. (1)

There was total bedlam in the newsroom. Every phone was ringing. I grabbed one. (2)

A woman caller asked, "Is there anyone there who can give me a ride to Dallas?" "Lady," I said, "we're not running a taxi service. And besides, the president has been shot!"

"Yes," the woman said. "I heard on the radio that my son is the one they arrested." (3)

It was Lee Harvey Oswald's mother.

[Well, according to his sequence of events: First, Mr. Schieffer heard of the shooting, like the rest of us, sometime between 12:30 and 1:00 pm. He then races to his office at the Fort-Worth Star Telegram, arriving just BEFORE the news of Kennedy's death has been announced on the radio. Then "as he pulled into the parking lot" he heard the bulletin that the President was dead. This would have to have been at 1:26 pm (see below). Scheiffer then rushes into the office and picks up the phone. Let's see if this is plausible.]

(1) When did the first word come over the radio that the president was dead? 1:26 pm according to Secret Service Agents transporting LBJ to Love Field. We know that SS Agent Emory Roberts announced Kennedy's death to Johnson's party at about 1:13 pm at the same time that CBS was broadcasting scenes from the Trade Mart where JFK had been scheduled to speak, although CBS was not yet aware of the president's condition. We also know that Malcolm Kilduff had initially told reporters, at about the same time, that the president was still alive. Moments later Kenny O'Donnell confirmed the president was dead to Kilduff, but suggested he wait until Johnson had cleared the information for the press. LBJ wanted to get out of there before the announcement was made. As Secret Service personnel were escorting Johnson to his vehicle, it was too late, as the first RADIO BULLETIN blared out from the car in which Johnson had ridden to Parkland Hospital: "The President is Dead" -- Walter Cronkite of CBS would make a similar announcement on television at about 1:38 pm. At least one of these announcements was made PRIOR to Malcolm Kilduff officially informing the press at Parkland. We also know the official time of Johnson's departure from Parkland was 1:26 pm. Therefore, the time was approximately 1:26 pm that Mr. Scheiffer first heard the news from his car radio that JFK was dead as he pulled into the parking lot. Source: John B. Mayo, The President is Dead, (1967)

(2) Keep in mind that in 1963 Mr. Scheiffer was a young reporter, eager for a story. He more than likely did not dilly-dally in the parking lot, but headed straight into the office, which is consistent with his account. Once in the office he immediately grabbed one of the ringing phones. I reckon, from the tone of his account, that it is fair to say he took the call in question by 1:36 pm -- latest -- even if it had taken him 5 minutes to park his car and 5 more to enter the newsroom after having heard the announcement of the president's death.

(3) Now, we know that Oswald arrived at the Texas Theater at 1:40 (Brewer) and entered without buying a ticket. The clerk, Warren Burroughs, called the police who "arrived within a few minutes" at perhaps 1:45 pm. Oswald initially drew attention because he didn't buy a ticket, but that quickly evolved into suspicion of being connected to the murder of Officer JD Tippit. After initially resisting arrest, he was taken into custody and later arraigned (7:10 pm) for the murder of Officer JD Tippit. However, after his arrest, Oswald did not arrive at the Police Department until 2:00 pm. To my knowledge, the media made no announcement as to the identity of the suspect arrested in connection with the president's murder before Oswald arrived at police headquarters. Oswald wasn't even arraigned with respect to the president's murder until the early morning hours of November 23rd, the NEXT day (1:30 am)!

So, what's the real story? Why would Sheiffer make this up, if it did not happen? If it did happen as Scheiffer reports it, how could Marguerite have known Oswald would be named as a suspect PRIOR to it having been announced on the radio? Or, was Oswald already named as the arrested suspect on the radio by approximately 1:30 pm -- 10 minutes PRIOR to his having even arrived at the Texas Theater -- and 30 minutes PRIOR to his arrival at police headquarters?

We know the first attention Oswald received was when Roy Truly took a roll call and realized Oswald was missing from the TSBD. The first "radio" broadcast with his description was restricted to a POLICE frequency at 1:22 pm. It took the police another 23 minutes or so to arrive at the Texas Theater. And then an additional 15 minutes to arrive at police headquarters with suspect in tow by 2:00 pm.

The story seems fishy.

[At 1:38 pm Dallas time] CBS' Walter Cronkite reported: From Dallas, Texas the flash apparently official: President Kennedy died at 1pm Central Standard Time, two o'clock Eastern Standard time, some 38 minutes ago. Vice President Lyndon Johnson has left the hospital in Dallas, but we do not know to where he has proceeded. Presumably he will be taking the oath of office shortly and become the 36th president of the United States.

[edit time correction and details]

Edited November 5, 2013 by Greg Burnham

[Cliff Varnell]

Henry Cabot Lodge...believed that a combination of LBJ, CIA and the mafia were involved in the JFK assassination.

You don't think he'd blame his fellow blue bloods, do you?

You know, the guys who told LBJ the crime was solved a few hours after it occurred?

Edited November 6, 2013 by Cliff Varnell