National Geographic Chl: JFK: The Final Hours - Clint Hill exposes...

[Anthony DeFiore]

Clint Hill put his hand on to the back of his head and says that there was a hole in the back "right here". He looked no different than Dr. Crenshaw, the Drs and nurses at Parkland and all the medical staff. Hill may have done this before, but he did it on TV NOW to stop all the spin!

[Paul Brancato]

I forgot to record this so thanks for posting the highlight. Anything else of interest?

[Guest Robert Morrow]

Clint Hill put his hand on to the back of his head and says that there was a hole in the back "right here". He looked no different than Dr. Crenshaw, the Drs and nurses at Parkland and all the medical staff. Hill may have done this before, but he did it on TV NOW to stop all the spin!

Didn't those FBI agents at Bethesda see a large hole in the back of JFK's head? Hasn't Dr. McClelland been insistent for decades that there was a large hole in the bottom right of JFK's head (and he made a drawing of it)? What about the nurse at Parkland - Diane Bowman, who actually and physically cleaned JFK before he was put into the fancy coffin - didn't she say there was a large hole in the back of JFK's head?

In Doug Horne's series of books he listed 12 people just at Bethesda who saw a large hole in the back of JFK's head.

How many folks at Parkland are on the record saying there was a large hole in the back of JFK's head? Didn't Harry Livingstone and/or David Lifton interview these Parkland doctors?

That is why the FAKED X-RAYS were so critically important to the cover up of the JFK assassination. The FAKED OR FORGED X-RAYS were used to fool the Clark Panel and the experts on the HSCA. The FAKED X-RAYS were even used to play mind games with the Parkland doctors in the 1980's, no doubt intimidating some of them to change their testimony that there was a large hole in the back of JFK's head.

After all, an x-ray could not be lying? Unless its an x-ray of someone else's head. Or unless it is a JFK x-ray that has been carefully doctored.

The FAKED X-RAYS were critically important in extending the cover up of the JFK assassination another 20 years; it allowed the cover up artists to say all these dozens of experts, doctors, pathologists have looked at the x-rays and they did not see any "blow out wound" on the back on JFK's head.

When there was obviously a major blowout wound on the back of JFK's head.

As I often say, the evidentiary record of the JFK assassination is completely corrupted, cannot be trusted, because the murderers of John Kennedy were running the non-investigation into his death.

Edited November 9, 2013 by Robert Morrow

[Vince Palamara]

^{SECRET SERVICE AGENT CLINT HILL DEMONSTRATES JFK HEAD WOUND:}

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73cwa7T7yKE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-zjy_F1zHk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNXJKs9xAMI

^{Secret Service Agent Clint Hill fibs again- JFK did NOT order the agents off the limo in Dallas or elsewhere! HE HIMSELF rode briefly on the rear of the limo on Main Street in Dallas AND the film clip shown near the beginning of this excerpt- unfortunately slowed down [on purpose?]-depicts agents Bob Lilley and Roy Kellerman on the rear of the limo with the top on and the day was a beautiful, no rain situation. Lilley joined his many colleagues in denying that JFK ever ordered the agents off the limo. Lilley further told me that the motorcade shown reached speeds of 50 mph with the agents on the rear of the car! The other clip, run in real time [not slowed down], shows another motorcade with the top on in beautiful, no-rain conditions}

Edited November 9, 2013 by Vince Palamara

[Anthony DeFiore]

I've emailed with Doug Horne on the front throat shot. He's done outstanding work.

Clint Hill put his hand on to the back of his head and says that there was a hole in the back "right here". He looked no different than Dr. Crenshaw, the Drs and nurses at Parkland and all the medical staff. Hill may have done this before, but he did it on TV NOW to stop all the spin!

Didn't those FBI agents at Bethesda see a large hole in the back of JFK's head? Hasn't Dr. McClelland been insistent for decades that there was a large hole in the bottom right of JFK's head (and he made a drawing of it)? What about the nurse at Parkland - Diane Bowman, who actually and physically cleaned JFK before he was put into the fancy coffin - didn't she say there was a large hole in the back of JFK's head?

In Doug Horne's series of books he listed 12 people just at Bethesda who saw a large hole in the back of JFK's head.

How many folks at Parkland are on the record saying there was a large hole in the back of JFK's head? Didn't Harry Livingstone and/or David Lifton interview these Parkland doctors?

That is why the FAKED X-RAYS were so critically important to the cover up of the JFK assassination. The FAKED OR FORGED X-RAYS were used to fool the Clark Panel and the experts on the HSCA. The FAKED X-RAYS were even used to play mind games with the Parkland doctors in the 1980's, no doubt intimidating some of them to change their testimony that there was a large hole in the back of JFK's head.

After all, an x-ray could not be lying? Unless its an x-ray of someone else's head. Or unless it is a JFK x-ray that has been carefully doctored.

The FAKED X-RAYS were critically important in extending the cover up of the JFK assassination another 20 years; it allowed the cover up artists to say all these dozens of experts, doctors, pathologists have looked at the x-rays and they did not see any "blow out wound" on the back on JFK's head.

When there was obviously a major blowout wound on the back of JFK's head.

As I often say, the evidentiary record of the JFK assassination is completely corrupted, cannot be trusted, because the murderers of John Kennedy were running the non-investigation into his death.

[Vince Palamara]

[Vince Palamara]

VINCENT PALAMARA

DAVID VON PEIN

[Vince Palamara]

See the above links for the VIDEO clip of Hill demonstrating the JFK head wound+ a couple Secret Service related clips of interest

[Pat Speer]

It's the right side of the head above the ear, where Hill has pointed it out every time he's been asked to do so.

That Anthony thought it was the back of the head only serves to prove my point--that people often confuse the side of the head above the ear with the back of the head, or call the side of the head above the ear the back of the head.

[Thomas Graves]

[photos deleted to conserve bandwidth]

It's the right side of the head above the ear, where Hill has pointed it out every time he's been asked to do so.

That Anthony thought it was the back of the head only serves to prove my point--that people often confuse the side of the head above the ear with the back of the head, or call the side of the head above the ear the back of the head.

Pat,

IMHO, the fact that you can't see the tips of any of his fingers suggests that the area he's describing is more on the back of his head than on the side.

--Tommy

Edited November 9, 2013 by Thomas Graves

[David Von Pein]

The FAKED X-RAYS were even used to play mind games with the Parkland doctors in the 1980's, no doubt intimidating some of them to change their testimony that there was a large hole in the back of JFK's head.

But the four Parkland doctors who went to the National Archives in 1988 certainly did no such thing. Because not one of them said anything like this after viewing the autopsy photos at the National Archives ---

"I must have been wrong when I just earlier today told this PBS-TV audience that JFK had a big hole in the back of his head. Because after looking at those autopsy pictures, which do not show any large exit wound in the back of the head at all, I can see that the President's large head wound was more toward the front and the right side of his head--not in the back. Therefore, I'll have to admit that my original evaluation of the location of the large head wound has to be in error."

Instead, we got these quotes from the Parkland doctors after they had just taken up to one full hour to examine the autopsy photos of President Kennedy:

"I would have to say, honestly, in looking at these photos, they're pretty much as I remember President Kennedy at the time." -- Dr. Paul Peters [emphasis added by DVP]

"I don't see evidence of any alteration of his wound in these pictures from what I saw in the emergency room." -- Dr. Richard Dulany

"I find no discrepancy between the wounds as they're shown very vividly in these photographs and what I remember very vividly." -- Dr. Robert McClelland

Which, of course, could only mean that Dr. McClelland must have seen a big hole in the back of JFK's head in the autopsy photographs. But we know he saw no such wound in the BACK of JFK's head in those photos.

~big shrug~

BTW, I'm not even sure the doctors saw the X-rays during their trip to the National Archives in 1988. It's not made clear via the NOVA/PBS program whether they saw just the photos or whether it was photos and X-rays too. But, of course, any of those doctors could have easily seen the X-rays in the HSCA volumes, which were published for the public to see nearly ten years earlier. And the X-rays don't show any large hole in the back part of Kennedy's head at all.

More --- THE ODD TALES OF THE PARKLAND DOCTORS ON PBS-TV IN 1988

Edited November 10, 2013 by David Von Pein

[Pat Speer]

[photos deleted to conserve bandwidth]

It's the right side of the head above the ear, where Hill has pointed it out every time he's been asked to do so.

That Anthony thought it was the back of the head only serves to prove my point--that people often confuse the side of the head above the ear with the back of the head, or call the side of the head above the ear the back of the head.

Pat,

IMHO, the fact that you can't see the tips of any of his fingers suggests that the area he's describing is more on the back of his head than on the side.

--Tommy

Not at all. His fingers are mostly above his ear. That his index finger is a bit further back, and closer to the back of the head than the wound shown on the autopsy photos is not much of a surprise either. Hill has always put it there. His recollection is of a wound further back than the wound shown in the autopsy photos. He is off by an inch or so.

Some very silly people have taken this, however, to mean that Hill thinks the autopsy photos are fake, and that the wound he saw was really on the far back of Kennedy's head, below the level of his ear.

And that's just blithering...

[Vince Palamara]

There are other amateur You Tube videos (taken during his book tours) where Hill has his hand firmly on the right rear of the head (as he does here- not the side).

Arguing that Hill really meant the side of the head is silly.

[Robert Prudhomme]

[photos deleted to conserve bandwidth]

It's the right side of the head above the ear, where Hill has pointed it out every time he's been asked to do so.

That Anthony thought it was the back of the head only serves to prove my point--that people often confuse the side of the head above the ear with the back of the head, or call the side of the head above the ear the back of the head.

Pat,

IMHO, the fact that you can't see the tips of any of his fingers suggests that the area he's describing is more on the back of his head than on the side.

--Tommy

Not at all. His fingers are mostly above his ear. That his index finger is a bit further back, and closer to the back of the head than the wound shown on the autopsy photos is not much of a surprise either. Hill has always put it there. His recollection is of a wound further back than the wound shown in the autopsy photos. He is off by an inch or so.

Some very silly people have taken this, however, to mean that Hill thinks the autopsy photos are fake, and that the wound he saw was really on the far back of Kennedy's head, below the level of his ear.

And that's just blithering...

Are you British, Pat?

[Guest Robert Morrow]

Re: David von Pein and his mention of JFK's autopsy photos. John Stringer the man of took many of them, says they are now not in the evidentiary record. Not surprising, when the murderers of JFK are running the non-investigation into his death.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/jfk/jfk1110.htm

Archive Photos Not of JFK's Brain, Concludes Aide to Review Board

Seal of the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB Final Report)

By George Lardner Jr.
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, November 10, 1998; Page A03

Doctors who conducted the autopsy on President John F. Kennedy may have performed two brain examinations in the days following his assassination, possibly of two different brains, a staff report for the Assassinations Records Review Board said.

The report, summarizing perplexing discrepancies in the medical evidence, was among more than 400,000 pages of internal records that the now-defunct board compiled in its effort to make public as much information about the assassination as it could find. The papers were released yesterday at the National Archives.

The five-member panel, which closed down Sept. 30, was not set up to make findings about the assassination and did not take a position on the hypothesis set out in the 32-page report by Douglas Horne, the board's chief analyst for military records.

The central contention of the report is that brain photographs in the Kennedy records are not of Kennedy's brain and show much less damage than Kennedy sustained when he was shot in Dallas and brought to Parkland Hospital there on Nov. 22, 1963. The doctors at Parkland told reporters then that they thought Kennedy was shot from the front and not from behind as the Warren Commission later concluded.

"I am 90 to 95 percent certain that the photographs in the Archives are not of President Kennedy's brain," Horne, a former naval officer, said in an interview. "If they aren't, that can mean only one thing -- that there has been a coverup of the medical evidence." Horne contends that the damage to the second brain reflected a shot from behind. He says the first brain was Kennedy's and reflected a shot from the front.

The report points to, for instance, the testimonies of former FBI agent Francis X. O'Neill Jr., who was present at the Nov. 22, 1963, autopsy at Bethesda Naval Hospital, and of former Navy photographer John T. Stringer, who said he took photos at a supplementary brain examination two or three days later, probably on the morning of Nov. 25.

O'Neill told the board in a 1997 deposition that at the Nov. 22 autopsy "there was not too much of the brain left" when it was taken out of Kennedy's skull and "put in a white jar." He said "more than half of the brain was missing."

Shown the brain photographs deeded to the Archives by the Kennedy family, which were taken sometime after the autopsy, O'Neill said they did not square with what he saw. The "only section of the brain which is missing is this small section over here," O'Neill said of one photograph. "This looks almost like a complete brain."

Stringer said the photos he took at the "supplementary examination" conducted by J. Thornton Boswell and James Humes did not resemble those at the Archives. He said they seemed to be on "a different type of film" from the one he used. He said he also took photographs of "cross sections of the brain" that had been cut out to show the damage. No such photos are in the Archives collection.

Stringer has also said that some photos he took at the autopsy itself were missing. He said he "gave everything" from the brain examination to Humes, who gave the film to Kennedy's personal physician, the late Adm. George Burkley.

Now ill and unavailable for comment, Humes testified in a 1996 deposition that Kennedy's brain was not sectioned in the way Stringer described "because the next thing you know George Burkley wanted it." He said Burkley told him "flat out" that the Kennedy family wanted to inter the brain with the president's body and that Burkley said he was going to deliver it to Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy.

The president's coffin was buried on the afternoon of Nov. 25.

However, a third autopsy physician, Pierre Finck, said in a 1965 report, based on earlier notes, that Humes called him on Nov. 29, 1963, to "examine the brain" at Bethesda.

"Humes, Boswell and myself examined the formalin fixed brain," Finck wrote. "A U.S. Navy photographer was present." He said the photographer took pictures of the brain from below. Stringer, by contrast, said he did not shoot such "basilar, or inferior, views."

Horne said in his memo that this "second hypothesized examination" may have taken place as late as Dec. 2, 1963, in light of the recollections of Chief Petty Officer Chester H. Boyers. The officer in charge of the pathology department at Bethesda, Boyers told the House Assassinations Committee in 1978 that he processed brain tissue and prepared paraffin blocks "of eight or 12 sections of the brain" on Dec. 2.

Boswell told a reporter yesterday that the brain was "examined in detail" at the Nov. 22 autopsy and once more "a few days later" after it had been "put in form and fixation."

"It was the same brain," he said of the Nov. 25 examination. "We decided it was destroyed enough that we didn't need to take sections." Asked about Stringer's recollection of photographing sections, Boswell said, "He's full of [expletive]."

Jeremy Gunn, former executive director and general counsel of the review board, said he thought it "highly plausible" that there were two different brain examinations.

Gunn took the testimony of Parkland doctors in August but could not show them the photographs. Steve Tilley, custodian of the Archives' JFK collection, said there wasn't enough time to provide security for the photographs to be taken to Dallas.

© Copyright 1998 The Washington Post Company

Edited November 10, 2013 by Robert Morrow