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Richard et al - having just watched the Lost Tapes I too have a questions regarding the identity of some of the men shown being arrested. At about 32 minutes into the film, and just before the film of the man I assume to be Flores (or mac Wallace?) there is another arrest as the film soundtrack is telling the story of an arrest in Fort Worth. I googled the Fort Worth arrests that day - there were two, and neither of them is the man shown in the Lost Tapes. Anyone know who that man, young and pretty short, was?

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Richard et al - having just watched the Lost Tapes I too have a questions regarding the identity of some of the men shown being arrested. At about 32 minutes into the film, and just before the film of the man I assume to be Flores (or mac Wallace?) there is another arrest as the film soundtrack is telling the story of an arrest in Fort Worth. I googled the Fort Worth arrests that day - there were two, and neither of them is the man shown in the Lost Tapes. Anyone know who that man, young and pretty short, was?

Paul,

I haven't watched The Lost Tapes and I'm going from memory here... Donald House?

If memory serves, he was real short.

And from the JFK Assassination Files website:

( http://jfkassassinationfiles.com/documents )

"The DPD was alerted by the Grand Prairie police after they received a call from a Mrs. Cunningham saying that she knew of a car involved in the JFK assassination. The car was traced to Donald Wayne House who was arrested 90 minutes after the assassination.

SSCIA 157-10005-10016

Arrest of Donald Wayne House in Fort Worth.

FBI 124-10013-10029. "

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--Tommy :sun

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Thomas - good memory. But to me the pics of House do not look like the man in the Lost Tapes. When you do view it, I'd like to know if you agree.

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Thomas - good memory. But to me the pics of House do not look like the man in the Lost Tapes. When you do view it, I'd like to know if you agree.

Paul,

I ordered The Lost Tapes (and Larry's Someone Would Have Talked) on the Net yesterday, but I won't get it for another week or so.

Any way you can "capture" the guy's image from your DVD and post it here?

Edit: Maybe the guy was Kenneth Glenn Wilson? He was arrested as an assassination suspect in Fort Worth on 11/22/63, too.

From an old post by Dixie Dea, this forum:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=3942

"On the afternoon of JFK's assassination, there were many arrests made. Some, for no apparent reason other than merely looking suspicious, to someone, who made a phone call to the police.

The most well known, of course, were the three men or the so-called tramps, taken from a boxcar near Dealey Plaza. They were led across Dealey Plaza to the police station, and no arrest records had apparently been made.

Although there has been much speculation through the years, no one actually knows who these three men were. There are dozens of unconfirmed arrests, where there seems to be no arrest reports found. Once Lee Harvey Oswald was charged with the crime the paper trail around the other so-called suspects clearly didn't have a great deal of priority.

One piece of relatively new information, is that an "unidentified suspect" was taken into custody a couple of hours after the assassination in Fort Worth, 30 miles west of Dallas, This person was claimed to be David Atlee Phillips, a former CIA operative who was based in Mexico City, while Lee Harvey Oswald was purportedly visiting Soviet and Cuban embassies in that city, and/or the "Maurice Bishop" character said to be Cubans refugees' CIA contact for the Bay of Pigs operation.

This information comes from Robert Morrow in his book, "First Hand Knowledge". Morrow, claims to be a former CIA contract agent who supposedly delivered four Mannlicher- Carcano 7.65mm rifles to David Ferrie for what he later determined to be the JFK assassination, one of which he says he kept. He discusses the purchase and delivery of these rifles to Ferrie, who of course, cannot confirm or deny Morrow's allegation since he is dead. Nor can Morrow's CIA connection be affirmed or refuted; we have no choice but to either take the man at his word or not, since it was seemingly, impossible to prove one way or the other. As evidence of Phillips' apparent complicity in the murder, Morrow includes a photo of Phillips beside the House Assassinations Committee's sketch of "Bishop," which many researchers agree look strikingly similar. The photo is included with the Phillips and "Bishop" pictures.

Even while the angles of the men's faces are different, making a direct comparison difficult if not impossible, there does indeed appear to be a resemblance between them.

What was Phillips/Bishop doing in Fort Worth? Morrow cites Gary Shaw and Larry Ray Harris' "Cover-Up" to state that no record of this man's arrest exists and, in fact, the negatives of the pictures taken of the arrest have disappeared from the files of The Fort Worth Star-Telegram. We might wonder, who but the government could manage such an obvious cover-up,

However, as we will discover, it is quite clear that David Atlee Phillips, was NOT the man in the photo Morrow uses to implicate him. This is perhaps an abject lesson for us not to take everything we reads at face value, no matter what the credentials of an author may seem to be....

Although Shaw and Harris claimed no arrest record exists for the this person, in 1993, Fort Worth researcher, M. Duke Lane walked into his local police station and found the man's arrest record in their archives in about fifteen minutes. This man is Kenneth Glenn Wilson. In addition, another man arrested in this story, named Donald Wayne House, looks a somewhat like, Lee Harvey Oswald.

For M. Duke Lanes' complete report and interviews see....

"The Cowtown Connection."

by M. Duke Lane

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/cowtown.txt "

--Tommy :sun

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I read Duke Lane's article when I was browsing for pics, and was able to see pics of both arrests in Ft. Worth. I watched the Lost Tapes on Natgeo on demand so I cannot post a clip, though truthfully I am not tech savvy enough to do as you ask even if I had the dvd. I'll be interested in your take when you see the film.

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Below is a William Allen photo showing a crowd by a police car in front of the TSBD.

Visible through the reflection of the windshield are a police officer (center seat) and a man who looks like he is wearing a hard-hat (passenger seat).

Howard Brennan?

The Police Officer looks like he could be Dallas Police Inspector J. Herbert Sawyer.

BrennaninPolCar_zps5c75e1a6.jpg

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Below is a William Allen photo showing a crowd by a police car in front of the TSBD.

Visible through the reflection of the windshield are a police officer (center seat) and a man who looks like he is wearing a hard-hat (passenger seat).

Howard Brennan?

The Police Officer looks like he could be Dallas Police Inspector J. Herbert Sawyer.

BrennaninPolCar_zps5c75e1a6.jpg

Richard,

Great catch!

The guy is looking down and to his left and I can see the curve of the short bill of his hard hat through the windshield.

It looks like another white-hatted policeman is leaning over and talking with them through the open passenger side door.

--Tommy :sun

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Below is a William Allen photo showing a crowd by a police car in front of the TSBD.

Visible through the reflection of the windshield are a police officer (center seat) and a man who looks like he is wearing a hard-hat (passenger seat).

Howard Brennan?

The Police Officer looks like he could be Dallas Police Inspector J. Herbert Sawyer.

BrennaninPolCar_zps5c75e1a6.jpg

Richard,

Great catch!

The guy is looking down and to his left and I can see the curve of the short bill of his hard hat through the windshield.

It looks like another white-hatted policeman is leaning over and talking with them through the open passenger side door.

--Tommy :sun

Thanks Tommy.

I agree there is another white Police hat leaning over next to the passenger side door.

Looks like this car may have been part of Sawyer's "command post".

His interview with Brennan would time-stamp this photo in the area of 12:40 ( + or - a few moments).

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There used to be an etiquette as to where they sat you in an American cop car. Usually suspects were seated backseat center, with police seated by either door. Hence, Hardhat probably only a purported witness in car photo above.

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There used to be an etiquette as to where they sat you in an American cop car. Usually suspects were seated backseat center, with police seated by either door. Hence, Hardhat probably only a purported witness in car photo above.

Agree with your general observation, David.

This would be more support for the "hard hat" man in the car being Howard Brennan, rather than the hard-hat man Robert Howard observed as possibly being arrested in The Lost JFK Tapes.

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For Robert, Tommy, and general interest,

below is a Murray photo from Robin's site with 2 hard-hat men and a light colored station wagon in the intersection of Houston and Elm. The Hard Hat man in the distance with the police officers is likely Brennan.

Wish we could see more detail of the driver.

Murrayscan8.jpg

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For Robert, Tommy, and general interest,

below is a Murray photo from Robin's site with 2 hard-hat men and a light colored station wagon in the intersection of Houston and Elm. The Hard Hat man in the distance with the police officers is likely Brennan.

Wish we could see more detail of the driver.

Murrayscan8.jpg

Richard,

Thanks for posting this photograph. Notice the two dark fedora-wearing "floating heads" behind the Rambler and just to the left of the hard hat guy in the background (Brennan?). I am almost certain that those two guys are the "Rip Robertson" and "John Adrian O'Hare" characters who were photographed earlier while standing on the Houston Street sidewalk, watching JFK and Jackie pass by.

Between that photograph and this one, these two guys were "captured," I believe, in a Murray photo which shows them traversing the far end of the Grassy Slope towards the TSBD, with, ironically, Deputy Sheriff Craig standing in the street, looking in their direction, and (also ironically) with a possible Oswald "double" walking with another guy down the Elm Street extension in the far background, framed by "Robertson" and "O'Hare."

normal_MurrayTraskUnger3.jpg

Regarding the other people in this photo, I used to think that the tall guy wearing a white hat behind and just a little to the right of the "Brennan" figure was just an interested bystander who was wearing a strange baseball cap, but now I think it's a white-hatted policeman (I finally noticed the angles of the hat and the badge on it) , and I'm wondering if it's W. E. Barnett, the policeman who said he spoke with Brennan right after the assassination and who may have been the one who took him to "Mr. Sorrels" (Police Inspector Sawyer?) for Brennan to speak with for awhile "in a police car in front of the TSBD." Robert Howard recently informed me on the Brennan's Suspicious Car thread that Secret Service man Forrest Sorrels didn't arrive at the TSBD until 12:55, and that he entered it through the rear door.

Trying to come around kinda full circle on this: Maybe the leaning-over "white hat" we see speaking to Brennan (?) and another white-hatted policeman through an open police car door in front of the TSBD (in a great photo you recently posted) is that of Officer W. E. Barnett, himself?

Does anyone know the identity of the other, more obvious policeman standing on the far right in the Murray photo (this post)?

--Tommy :sun

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(Tommy:) Between that photograph and this one, these two guys were "captured" in another photo which shows them traversing the Grassy Slope towards the TSBD.

It seems more, I think, like they instead walked down Main from the Houston Street corner, then crossed the grassplot between Main and Elm, arriving just at the time Cancellare snapped that picture. I don't see how they had time to walk north on Houston first and make it into in this picture.

I do think it is Robertson and O'Hare in Dealey, though. Middle-aged men can look similar, but for two guys who look that much like Robertson and O'Hare to be together at that corner stretches the boundaries of coincidence. Add Gerry Hemming 50 feet north of them on Houston, and the probability that it's them seems insurmountable. And they look like out-of-towners wearing new hats.

Does anyone know if there any interviews with the photographer Frank Cancellare?

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For Robert, Tommy, and general interest,

below is a Murray photo from Robin's site with 2 hard-hat men and a light colored station wagon in the intersection of Houston and Elm. The Hard Hat man in the distance with the police officers is likely Brennan.

Wish we could see more detail of the driver.

Murrayscan8.jpg

Richard,

Thanks for posting this photograph. Notice the two dark fedora-wearing "floating heads" behind the Rambler and just to the left of the hard hat guy in the background (Brennan?). I am almost certain that those two guys are the "Rip Robertson" and "John Adrian O'Hare" characters who were photographed earlier while standing on the Houston Street sidewalk, watching JFK and Jackie pass by.

Between that photograph and this one, these two guys were "captured," I believe, in a Murray photo which shows them traversing the near end of the Grassy Slope towards the TSBD, with, ironically, Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig standing in the street, looking in their direction, and (also ironically) with a possible Oswald "double" walking with another guy down the Elm Street extension in the far background, framed by "Robertson" and "O'Hare."

normal_MurrayTraskUnger3.jpg

Regarding the other people in the top photo, this post, I used to think that the tall guy wearing a white hat behind and just a little to the right of the "Brennan" figure was just an interested bystander who was wearing a strange baseball cap, but now I think it's a white-hatted policeman (I finally noticed the angles of the hat and the badge on it) , and I'm wondering if it's W. E. Barnett, the policeman who said he spoke with Brennan right after the assassination and who may have been the one who took him to "Mr. Sorrels" (Police Inspector Sawyer?) for Brennan to speak with for awhile "in a police car in front of the TSBD." Robert Howard recently informed me on the Brennan's Suspicious Car thread that Secret Service man Forrest Sorrels didn't arrive at the TSBD until 12:55, and that he entered it through the rear door.

Trying to come around kinda full circle on this: Could it be that the leaning-over "white hat" we see speaking to Brennan (?) and another white-hatted policeman through an open police car door in front of the TSBD (in a great photo you recently posted in post #21, this thread) is that of Officer W. E. Barnett. (Basic question: Was Barnett wearing a white hat that day?)

Does anyone know the identity of the other, more obvious policeman standing on the far right in the top Murray photo (this post)?

--Tommy :sun

Edited, augmented, qualified with the words I believe, and bumped...

Double Take: Could the "floating head" nearest "Brennan" in the top photo actually be Secret Service man Forrest Sorrels??? It does kinda look like him...

My head is starting to spin.

Flash: Look what I just found on youtube -- "Amos Euins and Howard Brennan" getting into a car in front of the TSBD!

I'm guessing that that car was Police Inspector Sawyer's "command post" where he made quick interviews of witnesses before his officers escorted them to the Sheriff's Department for more detailed interviews, just like he said. In fact, the older policeman type wearing the fancy uniform who opens the door for Euins looks like Inspector Sawyer. And the people next to the car on the sidewalk are the same people "captured" standing next to the car in post #21, this thread, with "Brennan" sitting next to "Sawyer" in the car. Note also that Euins get's into the back seat, just like he's shown sitting in the bottom photo.

(click circular "replay" arrow at the bottom left corner)

This bottom photo was posted by Robin Unger on the jfkassassinationforum website (from Trask's Pictures of the Pain). Sorry it's so big. Click on ot to eliminate distortion.

Brennan obviously sat up front, next to Sawyer. From the video clip, above, it looks like Brennan was a pretty short guy.

So, it's very interesting that in his WC testimony, Sawyer couldn't give a physical description of this most important witness (Brennan) who supposedly told him that the shooter was a "white male, 5'10, 165 pounds (but somehow "slender"), and about 30 years old."

It seems to me that Sawyer, a police Inspector, should have been able to remember such an important and unusual witness as Brennan, and it seems strange that he couldn't even remember his name. Let's face it, Brennan was different (and easy to remember) because he was short , he was wearing light colored (khaki?) work clothes, and he was wearing a freakin' hard hat.

I'm starting to agree with Sean Murphy on this. I don't think Sawyer got the above description of the shooter from Brennan, I think he got it from Baker or Truly after they came down from the roof.

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