Karl Kinaski Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 (edited) From Index of /~mudd/finding_aids/MC019.09/Correspondence_Appointment_Call_Diaries_1945-1968 (of Allan Dulles) quote: THURSDAY & FRIDAY, April 18-19, 1963 Schedule : Mr. Dulles departed Washington, Thursday at 12:15 via Allegheny Airlines, for Trenfon, -tB attend -== - Princeton Trustees' meetingson 18 and 19 April and to address Graduate School on Thursday evening, Telephone : /Clark Clifford. Will call again. Robert Cutler. Will call Mr. Dulles at Princeton Inn. (of California) Mr, Jack Dougherty, San Diego, California. mer 33, 582-4411. Will call again. close quote Here is the Linkhttp://www.princeton.edu/~mudd/finding_aids/MC019.09/Correspondence_Appointment_Call_Diaries_1945-1968/19630417_0000034461.pdf Warren Commission Testimony of Jack Dougherty Conclusion; Allan Dulles was in contact with at last one TSBD man prior to the assassination. KK Edited March 21, 2014 by Karl Kinaski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Backes Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Karl, Thank you very much. But, is this supposed to be the same guy who worked in the TSBD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ecker Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Dougherty had worked at the TSBD since 1952 while living with his parents in Dallas. I would bet against him being in San Diego, and calling the CIA director, in April 1963. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Backes Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I'm inclined to think this is a different Jack Dougherty. I found this - http://www.foia.cia.gov/search-results?search_api_views_fulltext=DOUGHERTY&field_collection= That is a CIA FOIA database where you can find this: Document LETTER TO MR. JACK DOUGHERTY, PRESIDENT FROM ALLEN W. DULLES Doc No/ESDN: CIA-RDP80B01676R004100020074-6 Pages: 5 No document available for download I don't think the Jack Doughtery who worked in the TSBD was the president of anything. Unfortunately, we can't see this document online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Kinaski Posted March 21, 2014 Author Share Posted March 21, 2014 Just a trail balloon: here we have the most suspicious TSBD 6th/ 5th floor guy, Jack Dougherty, the only one without an alibi for the time of the shooting, and there is Dulles...Jack Doughertys Name appears just once in the correspondence_Appointment_Call_Diaries_1945-1968 (of Allan Dulles) BTW This Diaries are very interesting. They show Dulles was a busy man in the month prior to the assassination. There were phone calls and meetings with Angleton, Ray Rocca, Howard Hunt, Thomas Karamessines, Cord Meyer, Frank Wisner, Samuel Pryor...etc. AND they show: by the end oft Okt, and the beginning of Nov. 1963 Dulles was in Texas for 5 days. In Forth Worth, Huston and Dallas. (Under the Cover to present his book THE CRAFT OF INTELLIGENCE...) KK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Backes Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 (edited) I think Allen Dules corresponded with a Jack R. Dougherty. See - Byrds, Planes and an Automobile Our boy in the TSBD was a Jack E Dougherty. Edited March 21, 2014 by Joseph Backes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Kinaski Posted March 21, 2014 Author Share Posted March 21, 2014 I think you are right... The TSBD Dougherty was maybe to unimportant to call a Dulles directly...on the other hand, he is the only 5th/ 6th floor guy without an alibi for the seconds the shots rang out... Byrds Wings Ramblers...1993 by R. Barholomew Moreover, Dulles' uncle, Robert Lansing, "contemplated a coup that would put him in the White House after Wilson's breakdown in October 1919" and "tried to provoke a war with Mexico about this same time."383 Another man who was intimately involved in these 1919 provocations was William F. Buckley, Sr.384 Lansing's fellow cabinet members were at the top of UT's power structure. Two of them were involved in businesses that linked directly to the Paine family interests in the American Bell Telephone Company. Buckley, Sr. was a former resident of UT's "Old B Hall" dormitory and shared that distinction with Rex G. and Hines Baker (top executives at Humble Oil with Nazi supporter William Stamps Farish, Sr.), Senator Richard Kleberg (who launched LBJ's political career), William B. Bates (founder of the law firm Fulbright and Jaworski), D.H. Byrd, C.B. Smith, and Jack R. Dougherty, Farish III's fellow Beeville rancher whose clan produced right-wing Dallas oilman Dudley Dougherty. It was Dougherty who brought Madam Ngo Dinh Nhu to Dallas in October 1963 to be honored at General Walker's "U.S. Day" rally attended by Lee Harvey Oswald. But there is no proof yet, that Dulles had phone contact with Jack R. or Jack E. Dougherty... KK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Backes Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 More on Jack R Dougherty, from - https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SomeUnknownUSHistory/conversations/topics/541 It was rumored that anti-Castro Cubans received military training at the ranch at James R. Dougherty Jr. near Beeville, TX and that he was a member of a Minuteman group. Dougherty Jr's lawyer father formed the oil company of Hewitt and Dougherty, which operated over a wide area of South and West Texas. His father also fought in the Mexican American war. And there's this: ( from this - https://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/fdo22 ) DOUGHERTY, JAMES ROBERT (1871–1950). James Robert Dougherty, attorney, oilman, and philanthropist, the son of Robert and Rachel (Sullivan) Dougherty, was born in San Patricio, Texas, on August 27, 1871. He was certified to teach at the age of sixteen and took a position in Webb County. Two years later he enrolled at Saint Louis University, after which he attended the University of Texas in Austin. He studied law in the offices of Lon C. Hill and James B. Wellsqv and was admitted to the bar on March 4, 1895. He went to Beeville to practice law, and later his brother, J. Chris Dougherty, joined him to form the law firm of Dougherty and Dougherty. James Dougherty helped to establish the legal precedent of private ownership of minerals in the beds of nonnavigable rivers. He dealt in livestock all his life. He developed a silver mine in Durango, Mexico, in 1916. He was instrumental in discovering a number of South Texas oilfields, including the Tom O'Conner, Greta, Pettus, Flour Bluff, Refugio, Dougherty, and several others. With Dr. W. E. Hewit, he formed the oil company of Hewit and Dougherty, which operated over a wide area of South and West Texas. Dougherty spoke Spanish fluently and was a student of Latin, Greek, and French. He furnished capital to a publishing company in New York for translations from Latin and Greek. He was elected first lieutenant by a company of volunteers during the Spanish-American War. He married Genevieve Tarlton on April 24, 1911, and they had four children. He was a member of the board of regents of Texas A&I University at Kingsville for ten years and a member of the boards of regents of Incarnate Word and Our Lady of the Lake colleges in San Antonio. A decade before his death, he and his wife established the Dougherty Foundation as an aid to youths for obtaining an education. Dougherty was a Catholic and a fourth-degree Knight of Columbus. He was made a knight of the Order of St. Gregory the Great (1947) and of the Order of Malta (1948), as well as of the Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre (1948). In 1937 the Doughertys donated $12,000 to finance the construction of a new St. Joseph's School in Beeville. Later they built the James R. Dougherty, Jr., Recreation Center in memory of their son, who was killed in action during World War II. Dougherty died on July 8, 1950, in Corpus Christi and was buried in Beeville. BIBLIOGRAPHY: Grace Bauer, Bee County Centennial, 1858–1958 (Bee County Centennial, 1958). Grace Bauer (Lillian Grace Schoppe), The History of Bee County, Texas (M.A. thesis, University of Texas, 1939). Beeville Bee-Picayune, July 13, 1950. Fort Worth Star-Telegram, November 29, 1964. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 I think you are right... The TSBD Dougherty was maybe to unimportant to call a Dulles directly...on the other hand, he is the only 5th/ 6th floor guy without an alibi for the seconds the shots rang out... Byrds Wings Ramblers...1993 by R. Barholomew Moreover, Dulles' uncle, Robert Lansing, "contemplated a coup that would put him in the White House after Wilson's breakdown in October 1919" and "tried to provoke a war with Mexico about this same time."383 Another man who was intimately involved in these 1919 provocations was William F. Buckley, Sr.384 Lansing's fellow cabinet members were at the top of UT's power structure. Two of them were involved in businesses that linked directly to the Paine family interests in the American Bell Telephone Company. Buckley, Sr. was a former resident of UT's "Old B Hall" dormitory and shared that distinction with Rex G. and Hines Baker (top executives at Humble Oil with Nazi supporter William Stamps Farish, Sr.), Senator Richard Kleberg (who launched LBJ's political career), William B. Bates (founder of the law firm Fulbright and Jaworski), D.H. Byrd, C.B. Smith, and Jack R. Dougherty, Farish III's fellow Beeville rancher whose clan produced right-wing Dallas oilman Dudley Dougherty. It was Dougherty who brought Madam Ngo Dinh Nhu to Dallas in October 1963 to be honored at General Walker's "U.S. Day" rally attended by Lee Harvey Oswald. But there is no proof yet, that Dulles had phone contact with Jack R. or Jack E. Dougherty... KK I feel the TSBD story is not totally described by the offical story. Spider's Web http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=6017&hl= ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ We can go back and forth about the wooden boxes containing 500 Red Pony books that I believe were to heavy to move up into the TSBD. There were also large cardboard boxes that couldnt contain books or papers ( military uniforms ?) and a power outage that are unexplained. The story of the TSBD is deeper than the official story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 OF NOTE ON NET RE: Dougherty http://reopenkennedycase.forumotionet/t176p75-jack-edwin-dougherty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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