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I was thinking that maybe we could use a fundraising site such as "Go Fund Me" as a fundraising tool. We could set it up as an "All or Nothing" account (which is one of the options) and put an ending date, say, July 25, on it. It seems to me to be more democratic.

http://www.gofundme.com

What does everyone think about this?

Great idea!

I'll follow you anywhere, Captain Beckett!

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We would need to know where to send the money received in the account, before we set it up.

Peter,

I'll do 150 as well. but only this year. I took early retirement :D and am on a tight budget. I can do a $15 per annum starting next year.

Now we are at least 20% there. And there are others here who said they would contribute some. If alot of people gave a few dollars, we'll make it.

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I'll go along with what's decided. I can do up to 100 - 150 first year. Naturally less from more is better. Further, for me, my payment doesn't buy me a say in the forum admin or any other 'privileges', merely keeps the forum going, with or without me.

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I, too, agree with the privileges part, and just want us to keep it going. A discussion on how to proceed is a must, after we secure it. We can open that up to the entire community.

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I, too, agree with the privileges part, and just want us to keep it going. A discussion on how to proceed is a must, after we secure it. We can open that up to the entire community.

Hope it's not too soon for this -- but can we have some discussion about Bringing Back the Banned, amnesty for (some of) those who were tossed?

I'm thinking of Peter Lemkin...among others...Cinque can stay banned...

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Kathy,

I believe I can commit to a $100 per year. I agree that we should discuss how to proceed, however maybe we should also re-evaluate the site an think about how to both encourage new members as well as how to give the site an even higher profile.

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(I am going to pin this topic in the next few days, so it doesn't get lost. It will then appear at the

very top of this page. I pinned it a few minutes ago, and, if one weren't looking upward, it would seem to have disappeared. So I'm going to wait till everyone knows where it's going. :) )

Looks like we are 1/2 way there.

James, I agree with you, but we need to make sure the information here is not lost, initially.

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So sorry to hear this. I wish I were in a position to help, but, I am unemployed. I remember you telling me all those years ago, John, about what was happening here in America, and how it was exactly the same thing which had been done to England, Great Britain, whatever name you prefer to use.

You suggested I start spreading the word around, and I, in my fear of the govt. here, failed to do so. That has been bothering me for years, so, this being maybe the last chance to tell you, I am sorry I failed to do as you had suggested.

With the economic crisis, manufactured I am sure, which has been such a problem over here for the last 8 years, it has become increasingly difficult...no, it has become downright impossible for me to find decent work for some time now. I have not been doing what I should to support this forum and it pains me to realize that I may be a part of why this site is closing.

Now that I have made my peace with this. I wish you all the best in life. You are a true gentleman.

Many would do well to continue the struggle you have maintained all these years.

Peace.

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A few troubling observations about forum closure:


1. John Simkin said, "The current account expires at the end of July 2014 and we do not intend to renew it."


Essentially, this forum is going to close down. We were put on notice of this some time ago. I'm not sure who "we" refers to as in "we do not intend to renew it", but my guess would be John and Andy Walker.


2. It's been over a week now since John started this thread, and he has not yet publicly responded to any of the offers made regarding how to save this forum. I'd say John really means what he says.


3. John did suggest that anyone interested in taking over the forum should contact Andy.


To date, apparently no one has contacted Andy. That is mind-boggling to say the least.


In other words, because good-hearted, well-meaning members can't follow up on John's vital suggestion, this forum will surely close down at the end of July 2014.


4. Only two forum members have raised the issue of whether or not the archived materials will survive if the forum does, indeed, close down.


The archived materials should be the number one priority. Not only for us but for generations to come. It's hard to imagine all that opinion, debate and research over many years just simply disappearing.


But it's been happening elsewhere.


Robert Harris decided to close down his JFK History forum, and everything has vanished. Many good things. All gone. As if they never existed. Wasn't there a way to save those archived materials?


JFK Lancer, of all places, began showing the preliminary signs of forum closure in August of last year when it shut down for a few days and moderator Jerry Dealey assured everyone that the powers that be were looking to upgrade forum software and then he expressed his concern about not wanting to lose 14 years of threads and topics, a concern that seems to be oddly lacking in this current thread.


Well, it looks like Lancer has lost 14 years of threads and topics. As if they never existed. Wasn't there a way to save those archived materials either?


Maybe current Lancer Chairman Larry Hancock could enlighten us on that. Why, Larry? Why have you and your associates decided to junk all those Lancer forum threads? Whatever possessed you to do that?


Meanwhile, what's the point of starting new JFK assassination forums if members can't be guaranteed that archived threads won't all wind up in the trash bin, which ultimately wastes our time and deprives future generations of a valuable resource?


Ken
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There has been some talk about how to save the archives for months now. I believe I saw on another forum that some have downloaded the bulk of the threads, so that not all will be lost.

Now, that said, I would like to see the forum continue, and will continue to use the forum as my main outlet for new findings, should it survive.

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Ken, the answer as far as Lancer goes is relatively simple. Last year I know of at least two major hacks that were conducted against the Lancer forum and the Lancer website - at least two of them affected file links off my web site as well. Each time Debra managed to bring the forum and its links back up, somebody hacked it again. In defense she left the forum down and reworked the basic web site, we reworked my site as well. At that point Debra, being in ill health, simply let any work on the forum go. Her health continues to be poor and at this point she is working with a handful of folks who may, or may not decide to continue JFK Lancer. If they do it will be their decision to try and revive the forum and to incur the programming expense to do so...and either address better security, move to a new host etc.

There was no decision to junk the threads, someone consciously and repeatedly hacked the forum and kept taking it and the links down. Possibly someone will make the decision to try and restore it but that will be up to them, many of the older forums were private efforts and frankly forum operators can just get sick and tired of the flack....or just plain sick.

Oh, to be clear, JFK Lancer for the last few years was literally Debra Conway. She did it all, a few of us helped with chores such as Jerry on moderation and Stu and I with the conference but we were simply volunteers.

-- Larry

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A few troubling observations about forum closure:

1. John Simkin said, "The current account expires at the end of July 2014 and we do not intend to renew it."

Essentially, this forum is going to close down. We were put on notice of this some time ago. I'm not sure who "we" refers to as in "we do not intend to renew it", but my guess would be John and Andy Walker.

2. It's been over a week now since John started this thread, and he has not yet publicly responded to any of the offers made regarding how to save this forum. I'd say John really means what he says.

3. John did suggest that anyone interested in taking over the forum should contact Andy.

To date, apparently no one has contacted Andy. That is mind-boggling to say the least.

In other words, because good-hearted, well-meaning members can't follow up on John's vital suggestion, this forum will surely close down at the end of July 2014.

4. Only two forum members have raised the issue of whether or not the archived materials will survive if the forum does, indeed, close down.

The archived materials should be the number one priority. Not only for us but for generations to come. It's hard to imagine all that opinion, debate and research over many years just simply disappearing.

But it's been happening elsewhere.

Robert Harris decided to close down his JFK History forum, and everything has vanished. Many good things. All gone. As if they never existed. Wasn't there a way to save those archived materials?

JFK Lancer, of all places, began showing the preliminary signs of forum closure in August of last year when it shut down for a few days and moderator Jerry Dealey assured everyone that the powers that be were looking to upgrade forum software and then he expressed his concern about not wanting to lose 14 years of threads and topics, a concern that seems to be oddly lacking in this current thread.

Well, it looks like Lancer has lost 14 years of threads and topics. As if they never existed. Wasn't there a way to save those archived materials either?

Maybe current Lancer Chairman Larry Hancock could enlighten us on that. Why, Larry? Why have you and your associates decided to junk all those Lancer forum threads? Whatever possessed you to do that?

Meanwhile, what's the point of starting new JFK assassination forums if members can't be guaranteed that archived threads won't all wind up in the trash bin, which ultimately wastes our time and deprives future generations of a valuable resource?

Ken

It is not true that Andy and I have not responded to plans to save the Forum. There has been considerable communication by email between interested parties. I will do whatever is needed to keep the archives available to researchers. Also attempts are being made to keep the forum available until the end of August. However, we do need to think very deeply about how we share research in the future. Changes made by Google mean that Forums do very badly in searches. Young people are also not very interested in communicating via Forums. I will later start a new thread on this issue.

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