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From observations made with the Zapruder frames, the following conclusions can be made;

1) First shot, the 'firecracker' like sound may have occurred ~Z-187.

2) Response from SSA LANDIS, READY, HICKEY and HILL was to look in the direction of the grassy knoll.

3) PO CHANEY, HARGIS and MARTIN do not show reactions to the first shot, indicating that they may not have detected it.

4) SSA did not react to the 'firecracker' like sound in a manner that would indicate they considered the sound to represent a threat.

5) Reaction to a sound of another shot can not be discerned until after the fatal head wound, as evidenced by SSA HILL and MCINTYRE and PO HARGIS and MARTIN lack of discernible reaction.

6) There is no evidence based on absence of reactions from SSA or PO that a shot occurred between ~z-187 and Z-313.

7) Based on Nix - Film JACKSON, CHANEY, HARGIS and MARTIN turn towards the grassy knoll in reaction to the shot at Z-313, in addition they all come to a halt.

8) Evidence only supports sound coming from the grassy knoll based on reactions

9) Evidence only supports shots occurring at ~z-187 and Z-313

0) The sound of the shots must have been dissimilar, based on the level of reaction, Z-187 'firecracker' like sound : Z-313 'high powered rifle'

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Further evidence to support 'firecracker' like shot was undetected by witnesses IS in ALTGENS #6, there is no discernable reaction by anyone watching the motorcade, evidenced by the absence of any witnesses looking toward the grassy knoll or the TSBD. Witnesses continue to smile, wave and applaud the approach and passing of the limo and appear unaware that the President is being assassinated and has already been wounded.

In ALTGENS #6 part of BREHM can be seen on the right side of the photograph, he is applauding the approach of the President, apparently unaware of the 'firecracker' like sound at ~Z-187 and the fact that the President had already been wounded.

BREHM provides added proof that the first shot, the 'firecracker' like sound was dissimilar to the second shot from a 'high powered rifle' in that it did not distract his attention.

BREHM was a veteran of WWII, he received multiple wounds during combat in France.

BREHM claimed to immediately recognize the shots he heard as being fired from a high powered rifle.

BREHM in ALTGENS #6 (z-255) apparently had not noticed a noise or heard a shot from a 'high powered rifle'

BREHM can be seen in the Zapruder film from Z-276 until Z-299 applauding the President as the limo passed his location, his young son at his side also waving. This would indicate that BREHM was unaware that a shot had already been fired.

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Further evidence of witnesses not detecting the sound of the 'firecracker' like sound or a shot until Z-313.

HUDSON can be seen on the steps in the MUCHMORE film, with two unidentified men, one of them applauding the approach of the limo. This scene is also captured in MOORMAN Polaroid.

We can see the man applauding suddenly reacts to the sound from a 'high powered rifle' immediately following Z-313, he stops applauding and nearly collapses, the man standing next to him can be seen to react also.

The shot at Z-313, the first 'high powered rifle shot' can be discerned in reactions by witnesses.

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It should be of vital interest that the Affidavits from MOORMAN, J HILL, HUDSON and SUMMERS specifically claim that the first shot occurs at the moment of the fatal head wound.

MOORMAN specifically claimed the first shot coincides with her taking 'the' Polaroid photograph. This specific claim is mirrored and corroborated by J HILL in her Affidavit.

This is further corroboration of the conclusions derived from the Z-film in that none of these witnesses detected the 'firecracker' like sound nor were any of them aware the President had been wounded prior to Z-313 when the fatal head wound occurs.

These witnesses combined, provide the exact same experience that the first shot heard was at Z-313.

That they were unaware of the President being wounded prior to Z-313

With the exception of J HILL who only noticed the President and JACKIE looking downward at something.

That they all react to the sound of the 'high powered rifle' shot by going to the ground in self defense.

BREHM does not claim that he went to the ground, but he can be observed in photographs taken within moments following the assassination where he and his son can be observed to be sitting on the ground. ||| with BREHM looking toward the grassy knoll |||

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Additional proof

HILL claimed he started moving from the follow-up vehicle prior to hearing the second shot. We know based on ALTGENS #6, this action followed Z-255.

Corroboration for this testimony comes from

ROBERTS

LANDIS

MARTIN

These four witnesses corroborate the fact that the second shot occurred at Z-313 and that HILL was moving to the limo prior to the second shot having been fired.

HILL can be observed moving toward the limo in the Nix film just prior to the shot at Z-313, which also corroborates HILL, LANDIS, REOBERT and MARTIN.

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Further proof

Testimony from WILLIAM NEWMAN claims the first shot was 'firecracker' like noise and that NEWMAN was unaware that it was a shot or that it caused ANY injury to the President, although he did detect the President jump in what NEWMAN thought was just surprise at the noise.

NEWMANS testimony is in accord with the reactions we see from the SSA, they notice the sound but display no reaction to a threat, nor are they aware that the President had been wounded by a missile from the shot.

NEWMAN claims the second noise was dramatically different than the first and the second was the cause of the fatal head wound.

This second shot was also so loud that it caused NEWMAN to get his family to the ground because he felt they might be in danger.

NEWMANS testimony is corroborated by the Nix film as we can observe NEWMAN reacting to the shot at Z-313.

This witness heard the first shot and did not react to the 'firecracker' like noise.

This witness corroborates C HILL, LANDIS, ROBERTS and MARTIN in that the second shot caused the fatal head wound.

This witness corroborates MOORMAN, J HILL, HUDSON and SUMMERS in that the first shot heard from a 'high powered rifle' is at Z-313.

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HUDSON in Affidavit 11/22/1963 corroborates WILLIAM NEWMAN and claims that the shots came from directly behind him and above him which would be the picket fence area. This is confirmed in Muchmore film, in that he claimed he and others on the steps went to the ground following hearing the first shot, HUDSON and two unidentified men can be observed still standing when the shot at Z-313 occurs.

MOORMAN, J HILL and SUMMERS corroborate HUDSON and WILLIAM NEWMANS claims that the shots came from the grassy knoll.

MOORMANS claims the grassy knoll to be the location for the origin of the shots in a radio interview from 11/22/1963.

IT MUST be of significance that all of these witnesses corroborate the exact same story, a story that can be confirmed visually by Zapruder film, Nix film, Muchmore film, ALTGENS #6 as well as any other photograph.

1) shot 1 was 'firecracker' like and not realized to be a threat.

2) not many witnesses heard the first 'firecracker' like shot. (only LANDIS, READY, HICKEY and C HILL display a reaction to hearing the first shot)

3) no one realized the President had been wounded by the first missile, this includes JACKIE, no SSA reacted in any manner.

4) there is no evidence of a shot occurring between ~Z-187 and Z-313

5) first 'high powered rifle shot' is heard at z-313 and is the cause of the fatal head wound, this is the second shot fired.

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On JFK Assassination Forum is posted by special permission, evidence from PO JACKSON, it is posted in DTL - 106 thread that JACKSON in an interview claimed the second shot caused the fatal head wound and that after the second shot occurred he stopped his motorcycle and looked to his right because he believed the shot had come from his right or the rail road yards.

This corroborates C HILL, LANDIS, ROBERTS, MARTIN and WILLIAM NEWMAN in that the shot at Z-313 was the second shot.

And is corroborative with HUDSON, NEWMAN, MOORMAN, J HILL and SUMMERS that the shot came from the grassy knoll

IT is also significant that JACKSON's actions can be observed in the Nix film and is corroborative to his claims.

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PO CHANEY from TV interview made on 11/22/1963 claimed the second shot was the cause of the fatal head wound.

In the Nix Film, CHANEY can also be observed to stop his motorcycle and look to the grassy knoll in response to the 'high powered rifle shot' that occurred at Z-313.

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What warped perspective do researchers have of the assassination that would blindly accept, without question, the absence of response from any witness, white house aide, police officer or SS Agent to supposedly two shots having been fired from a 'high powered rifle' before Z-313.

There is not anyone in any photograph or film that has a reaction to hearing shots...OTHER than LANDIS, READY, HICKEY and C HILL to look in the direction of the grassy knoll.

This lack of response must be compared to the response of 19 sheriff deputies stationed on Main Street, where many of them claimed to start running toward the grassy knoll upon hearing the FIRST shot. 19 sheriff deputies claimed to hear 3 shots from a high powered rifle.

They obviously did not hear the first 'firecracker' like sound. The first shot they heard was at Z-313. Just like, MOORMAN, J HILL, HUDSON and SUMMERS.

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Are there witnesses that specifically heard 4 shots ...YES

Are there witnesses that specifically heard 4 shots where first shot was a 'firecracker' like sound and the second, third and fourth were sounds like from a 'high powered rifle' ...YES

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HUGHES filmed the motorcade moving up Houston Street.

He continued filming and captured P.O. BAKER and Camera car 3 containing JACKSON, UNDERWOOD and DILLARD.

According to the graphic posted on JFK Assassination Forum, P.O. BAKER moving on Houston equates until about ~Z-249

At no time does BAKER look up or respond to shots supposedly fired during the time he can be seen.

JACKSON and DILLARD and the camera car occupants are preoccupied by something going on behind and to the right side of their vehicle or toward the court house, they appear to have no conception that a shot has been fired, or according to the WC?R two shots from a 'high powered rifle'

HUGHES film if it does indeed equate to filming to Z-249, impeaches the testimonies of BAKER, UNDERWOOD, DILLARD and JACKSON.

IT also provides additional proof that first 'firecracker' like sounding shot was not noticed by many witnesses and the second shot did not occur until Z-313.

It is obvious in the HUGHES film as it is in all other films that the witnesses were unaware of the assassination already occurring.

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It is astonishing and frankly dissapointing that no one on this Forum will step up to discuss evidence, conjecture or conclusions.

I believe that most of the evidence, conjecture and conclusion posted so far, have never been published or voiced, this information is novel.

This information gives a new perspective to the assassination that allows for a resolution to the mystery.

Most people become entrenched in the dogma they helped create and are thereafter stuck in a self made illusion, immune to new concepts and an alternative perspective of evidence.

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