Secret Service Agents Response

[Robert Mady]

SSA KIVITT:

As the motorcade was approximately 1/3 of the way to the underpass, traveling between 10 and 15 miles per hour, I heard a loud noise--someone hollered "What was that?" It sounded more like an extremely large firecracker, in that it did not seem to have the sharp report of a rifle. As I was looking in the direction of the noise, which was to my right rear, I heard another report--then there was no doubt in my mind what was happening looked toward the Vice Presidential car, and as I did so, I could see the spectators, approximately 25-50, scattering--some were falling to the ground, some were running up a small hill, and some were just standing there stunned--here I heard the third shot. I could see the President's car, and observed Mrs. Kennedy, who seemed to be standing up in the car and trying to get out. I was getting out of the car to get to the Vice President's car and assist Youngblood; I had reached for my gun but did not draw it for I could not tell where the shots were coming from; when I saw the Presidential car speed down the street since I could not get to the Vice Presidential car, I fell back into the follow-up car and hollered to the driver to go-go, and the car lurched forward behind the Vice President's car.

SSA KIVITT claims he also got out of the VP follow-up car...when did this occur?

[Robert Mady]

Do you believe that the SSA reacted to the sound of a high powered rifle shot and exited the follow-up car to assist YOUNGBLOOD and the VP LBJ and that is what is depicted in ALTGENS #6? That they did not notice the VP car at the time did not slow down.

IF In ALTGENS #6 the follow-up car has stopped, then at the time of the fatal head wound the follow-up vehicle would be more than 80 feet behind the VP car that was still traveling down Elm closely behind the 'queen mary'.

OR

Does the follow-up car remain behind the VP car until it halts, when the first shot occurs and the Presidential follow-up car comes to a stop.

Then YOUNGBLOOD reacts...

Then KIVITT reacts...

Then TAYLOR reacts...

Then READY reacts...

This is why none of these actions are depicted in ALTGENS #6, because these actions take place after the fatal head shot occurs.

Just as YARBOROUGH, MOORMAN, JEAN HILL, HUDSON and SUMMERS claimed.

Any researchers beginning to understand you really didn't have the correct concept of the assassination until now?

That the WC/R cannot be true

That all conspiracy theories are incorrect

Edited September 18, 2014 by Robert Mady

[Robert Mady]

Is anyone going to argue that the doors to the VP follow-up car can be seen in ALTGENS #6 to be opened and that it is then obvious that TAYLOR is getting out just as he claimed?

[Robert Mady]

Here is a frame from a film that captured the follow-up vehicle just as it turned from Main onto Houston

[Robert Mady]

Here is a photograph depicting the follow-up car someplace else during the motorcade

note both of the back doors can be seen to be open

The truth is the doors ajar on the follow-up vehicle as seen in ALTGENS #6 were not opened in response to hearing a shot but had already been open when the car entered DP.

Edited September 18, 2014 by Robert Mady

[Robert Mady]

SSA JOHNS

When the shots sounded, I was looking to the right and saw a man standing and then being thrown or hit to the ground, and this together with the shots made the situation appear dangerous to me. I estimate that the motorcade was going approximately 12 to 14 miles per hour at this time, and I jumped from the security car and started running for the Vice President's car. I felt that if there was danger due to the slow speed of the motorcade, I would be of more assistance and in a more proper location with the Vice President's car. Before I reached the Vice President's car a third shot had sounded and the entire motorcade then picked up speed and I was left on the street at this point.

Same as TAYLOR and KIVITT, when did JOHNS get out of the VP follow-up car?

How is it possible that all four SSA assigned to the VP reacted instantaneously after the first shot while the Presidents detail except for CLINT HILL reacted after the third shot?

Do you see that the timing is not the same for these two groups of Agents, it is off by two shots.

Edited September 19, 2014 by Robert Mady

[Robert Mady]

The VP car can be seen following behind the Presidential follow-up car, the VP follow-up car must be behind the VP car.

The motorcade does not stop or slow until around Z-313 when the limo slows and then after Z-313 the Presidential follow-up car momentarily stops along with the motorcycle escorts which can be observed in the NIX film.

Now, when did YOUNGBLOOD, KIVITT, JOHNS and TAYLOR react?

It would be the same time as READY.

Edited September 19, 2014 by Robert Mady

[Robert Mady]

YouTube Video "Rare interview with Malcolm Kilduff"

'Just as we turned by the TSBD I was directly under the window of the TSBD when we heard the first noise'

This model shows the motorcade at the time ALTGENS took #6 photograph.

This should equate to the positions of the cars in the motorcade at the moment Z-255.

Please note the car with the doors open near the TSBD is the VP follow-up car, MALCOLM KILDUFF claims that was the location the National Press Pool car when he hears the first shot.

The first shot MALCOM KILDUFF hears can not be prior to Z-255 because the car he is riding in has not yet turned the corner.

Edited September 19, 2014 by Robert Mady

[David Andrews]

Deleted for rethink.

Edited September 20, 2014 by David Andrews

[Robert Mady]

Mr. HUBERT. In other words, your car was still really on Houston?
Mrs. CABELL. No; we were making the turn.
Mr. HUBERT. Just on the turn?
Mrs. CABELL. Just on the turn, which put us at the top of the hill, you see.
Mr. HUBERT. Since you were actually turned toward Representative Roberts on your right?
Mrs. CABELL. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Actually, you were facing----
Mrs. CABELL. The building.
Mr. HUBERT. The Texas Depository Building?
Mrs. CABELL. I was actually facing it.

MRS CABELL places the vehicle she is riding in about the same location as MALCOLM KILDUFF, along side the TSBD when the FIRST shot is heard. CABELL in effect corroborates KILDUFF in her testimony, what it does not do is corroborate the WC/R theory or any conspiracy theory, it does however corroborate the 4 shot scenario outlined....imagine that!

Please note if we were going to calculate where CABELLS vehicle would be IF the WC/R was actually true, the vehicle might be half way up Houston when the first shot occurred, not parallel to TSBD.

Edited September 20, 2014 by Robert Mady

[Robert Mady]

Mr. UNDERWOOD. After we turned onto Houston Street, the car I was in was about, as far as I can remember, about in the middle of the block or a little bit north of the center of the block, which is a short block, when I heard the first shot.
Mr. BALL. Between Main and Elm?
Mr. UNDERWOOD. Yes; between Main and Elm, closer to the Elm intersection, Elm and Houston intersection, when I heard the first shot fired.

UNDERWOOD in camera car #3 was fourth car behind CABELL and third car behind KILDUFF

UNDERWOOD'S testimony is corroborative with KILDUFF and CABELL as far as location of motorcade at the moment of the first shot.

In case you are not grasping this, here is ALTGENS #6

CABELL is claiming that the vehicle she is riding in is about where the VP vehicle is in ALTGENS #6 at the time of the first shot.

KILDUFF is claiming that the vehicle he is riding in is about where the VP follow-up vehicle is located in ALTGENS #6 at the time of the first shot.

UNDERWOODS vehicle would still be out of frame.

The problem is WC/R is telling us this is frame Z-255, two shots have supposedly already been fired, yet CABELL, KILDUFF and UNDERWOOD claim to not have heard ANY shots at this moment in time.

Edited September 20, 2014 by Robert Mady

[Robert Mady]

Any body capable of presenting a case that this evidence as presented is not correct?

Edited September 20, 2014 by Robert Mady

[Robert Mady]

Mr. CABELL - Well, we were just rounding the corner of Market and Elm, making the left turn, when the first shot rang out.

It can be interpreted that the location of the vehicle Mr. CABELL was riding in at the moment of hearing the first shot to be corroborative with MRS CABELL, MALCOLM KILDUFF and JAMES UNDERWOOD.

This location is incongruous with the WC/R theory or ANY conspiracy theory advanced, although it is compatible with the 4 shot scenario.

Edited September 20, 2014 by Robert Mady

[Robert Mady]

ALTGENS #6 is believed to show where the VP car and the VP follow-up car hated at the sound of the first shot, this model even has gone so far as to show SSA JOHNS getting out of the right rear of the follow-up vehicle, the vehicle would have to be traveling 10-15 mph JOHNS would not have been able to maintain his balance getting out of the back of a vehicle at that speed.

ANOTHER problem is; this is the location of the motorcade (at Z-255) long after the SECOND shot had supposedly been fired. Again this location is exactly where CABELLS and KILDUFFs claimed their vehicles were during the FIRST shot.

Edited September 20, 2014 by Robert Mady

[Robert Mady]

The yellow arrow shows where the VP traveled before the fatal head wound, the VP vehicle is following the queen mary and can be seen in the BRONSON film at the moment the fatal head wound occurs, at about the tip of the yellow arrow.

Edited September 20, 2014 by Robert Mady