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The article doesn't plow any new ground, but nice to see it in a major magazine.

Posted

According to Clint Hill in this interview/lecture for a 2013 book signing event JFK could not have been saved because by the time the agents heard the 1st shot, turned to the right to look back behind them & then returned looking at JFK Hill was already climbing up on the back of the parade car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv5z3iK_sMk

At the end of the video hill answers some tough questions from his audience. Hill denies the agents were boozing it up the early morning of Nov 22 1963 (says the agents went club hopping in search of food to eat), states Oliver Stones movie, JFK, is 'full of baloney' & deliberately deceptive. Hill claims he 'grabbed Jackie on Elm Street & put her back in her seat' & also turned towards the follow-up car agents & gave them a thumbs down signal. Neither event is in the Zapruder or Nix films. Hill doesn't buy the 'Hickey accidentally shot JFK with the AR-15 theory either.

Tougher question Hill should have been asked would include these (I am sure you can think of many more):

- Was there a bullet hole in the parade car windshield?

- Did you hear or ‘sense’ a shot from the knoll (or anywhere forward or lateral) hit JFK in the head & caused the massive blow out that sprayed Jackie & yourself?

- Did you see or hear either Kellerman or Greer shoot the President?

- Did you know of or participate in taking JFK’s body from his casket aboard AF1 & hiding it elsewhere on the aircraft (as alleged by Doug Horne & David Lifton)?

- Did you notice either the Umbrella Man or the Cuban before or during the ambush?

- Did you observe or hear about any activities during JFK’s autopsy at Bethesda that discredits the official story & supports Doug Horne & David Lifton’s allegations of pre-autopsy surgery & extra bullets removed from JFK’s body?

-Did you see or hear about autopsy photos & X-rays that differ from the bootlegs & official versions now in the public record?

- Which SS agent confiscated JFK autopsy photos (alleged in ‘JFK: The Smoking Gun)?

- Did you & Jackie Kennedy have a romantic relationship?

The audience did not ask Clint Hill if he had seen or heard about the two NPIC Zapruder briefing boards Doug Horne discusses in his online essays & videos. Hill also wasn’t asked when & where he was 1st shown the Zapruder film & if it differed in any way from what was released to the public.

Posted

Hey, Brad. In Chapter 5b of my website, I present excerpts from many of Hill's statements over the years. Included in these statements is that he first viewed the Zapruder film in 64, and that the limo slowed down, but did not stop. He also discusses the location of the head wound. You might want to check it out. The link is in my tagline.

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Thank you for the 'heads up', Pat. I do need to revisit your website this. As I recall, it was so packed with solid information on the case I was afraid the pages would explode on me (lol). How you found all those newspaper interviews goes far beyond impressive. Those interested in the case should make it a point to visit your site regularly.

Thank you & all others for having patience with me on my post above. As you can tell from the multi-type & font size text I had a major battle going with 'copy & paste'. I had no idea that liny video link would blow up so large either. I am experiencing the "newbie blues". I don't like to make too many comments because when I do my photo appears & scares me.....

Best,

Brad

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One thing I failed to mention: There is an opportunity that exists each day on Elm Street in Dallas for the global public to make a private assessment of the issue of JFK being fatally shot from the TSBD sniper's perch at Z-313 of the Zapruder film. Caution is urged when attempting this very simple 'country boy science' experiment. Traffic permitting (early Sunday mornings is the best time to do this, traffic is usually light or dead). Take a taller friend with you. Walk out to the 2nd street X (Z-313) & have your friend stand back (closer to the TSBD than you are). Both of you stand, squat or sit on a box or chair. Position your body as close to what you see in Z-312/Z-313. Look back at the sniper's window. Can you see all or any of the window at all? If you can get your friend to elevate their position to about 8 feet up off the surface of the Street can you see the window now? How much of it is visible to you? Visualize the hefty Cadillac tailgating the sleek, low Lincoln; agents Ready & Landis standing or crouching on the running board (or in the street). After performing this simple experiment, determine for your self if a shot from the sniper's nest was available or blocked. Does it look possible to you, was it a 'tight squeeze' or was it 'no way, Jose'?

I know some people view Clint Hill as a hero & others don't think he's being completely candid. I will say this, from my perspective, I don't believe I could have caught up to a moving vehicle from launching off a moving right behind it in that short of space without injuring myself, but that's just me.

I encourage people to visit the site & bring a cell phone in case they experience harassment or a bad visit from encounters the several souvenir peddlers that hang around that area pushing their goods or others looking to make a fast buck. I can promise you your little experiment will change your perspective of the crime much more so that the floodgates of analysis that have been published during the last 51 years.

When stepping out in the street, avoid becoming a traffic statistic or getting yourself a ticket (or worse). Sunday is your best bet. See it for yourself & call the play yourself...

Brad

Posted (edited)

"According to Clint Hill in this interview/lecture for a 2013 book signing event JFK could not have been saved because by the time the agents heard the 1st shot, turned to the right to look back behind them & then returned looking at JFK Hill was already climbing up on the back of the parade car."

This is mostly lies from HILL, logic dictates that the first (silent) shot injured JFK and came most likely at Z-190, there was 6.8 seconds before shot number 2 occurred.

HILL moves to the limo in response to something other than the sound of gunfire.

HILL is moving to the limo when the second shot occurs (first shot from a high powered rifle), the cause of the fatal head wound, this is also when READY turns around to look toward the President and makes a move to go to the limo but is recalled.

Something is wrong with a vision of the assassination that does not perceive there is no apparent response to gunfire until after Z-313 by witnesses or agents.

Listen to MOORMAN and HILL interviews from 11/22 they both claim the FIRST shot they hear is at the moment of the fatal head wound / MARY taking the Polaroid and that additional shots then followed. These witnesses have been ignored for 50 years, because we were so indoctrinated we could not understand what they were saying!

Even now, is there anyone who will analyze MOORMAN and HILL interviews to actually see what they claimed? Probably not, because most can't handle the truth...was that from a movie?

Also as I posted in another thread is visual evidence in the form of an animated gif, showing READY, LANDIS, HICKEY and HILL react to the sound of the 'firecracker' like shot by looking toward the grassy knoll not the TSBD and they continue to look toward the knoll until after Z-212 when they are lost from film evidence. The first response was NOT to look behind them, this is just a lie to support the fiction of a shot coming from the TSBD. Supported by ALTGENS 6 which was taken about Z-255 long after shot 1 and even long after the WC?R proposed shot number 2 at Z-220 or Z-230.

Not one of the motorcycle police can be seen to turn to look toward the rear, another lie that is debunked by ACTUAL film evidence.

Edited by Robert Mady
Posted (edited)

Also of note NONE of the testimony from witnesses in the VP car and the VP follow-up car can be verified within ALTGENS 6, this is because the activity that is described does not take place until after the shot at Z-313 or the first high powered rifle shot NOT after the first shot that sounded 'firecracker' like, that occurred about Z-190.

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Much food for thought, Robert. The discrepancy between what Mary Moorman Krahmer (sp?) heard & saw & what the Newman adults & filming team of Abe Zapruder & Marilyn Sitzman reported they heard & saw during the ambush has baffled many people for many years. Hill doesn't help clarify what happened. I believe Mary Moorman is a Scorpio; having been married to a Scorpio & having been exposed to them much of my life I can tell you with authority they don't appreciate being questioned when they tell people something. I can almost see that stinger rising up in the air in video interviews with Mary & she's questioned as to events the public has been led to believe that don't match her experience. If Mary says the 1st shot happened when she snapped her Polaroid & 2 more in rapid succession followed, for me, at least, that's the way it went down. Mary can't be responsible for hearing any silenced shots (nor can anyone else that was there). There is still confusion over when the 1st shot occurred, Pierce Allman made several video interviews last year in 2013 & repeatedly states the 1st shot he heard happened as the parade car was passing his position in front of the reflecting pool. Amos Euins & others back this up, as did JBC in his televised hospital interview 27 Nov 1963.

Is there any wonder that the public still doesn't know with certainty what happened on Elm Street 51 years ago & why the interest in this case will remain globally high until the questions the case raises are answered to universal acceptance?

BM

Posted (edited)

Brad, you are very much right on when it comes to what I believe is designed confusion in the record.

It is not just MARY MOORMAN and JEAN HILL, HUDSON and SUMMERS also claimed the first shot they heard was at Z-313, WILLIAM NEWMAN claimed to hear a 'noise' prior to Z-313 then the 'explosion' at Z-313, he is one of the few witnesses that detected the first 'silent' shot.

You don't need these witnesses to prove to you what happened, just look at the photographic record, no witness can be seen to react to gunfire until after Z-313.

The photographic record is the best indication as to how the assassination occurred, you just have to look at it and see it as if for the first time.

These are not the only witnesses, there are 73 witnesses that can be understood to give experiences of the assassination that will follow the 4 shot scenario with first shot being silent and three high powered rifle shots starting at Z-313.

Also it would be best to have less or even no regard for all testimony and interviews the longer the time span was from 11/22/1963 as memories fade and were influenced by media and government proclamations.

I know the reality of the assassination can be realized by looking at the affidavits from 11/22/1963 and 11/23/1963 correlating with photographic evidence.

Euins was a ninth grader in 1963, why believe Euins when 73 witnesses claim otherwise.

Edited by Robert Mady

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