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It's not free speech that I have a problem with. I can see Stephen Roy's analogy. The problem I have is with Pacifica, which I am sorry to say is among the 'left' media that has paid little attention to 'conspiracies'. So when a reporter with a weekly program chooses to interview Ms. Baker, and claims she is not aware that most serious researchers dismiss most or all of Baker's claims, it's up to us that have studied this for decades to enlighten her, and ask that she pursue this more closely by having credible detractors on her program. Free speech is a fine principle, but we live in a world where 'truth' is malleable, and subject to sometimes hidden forces. We know better, but have little or no PR, no way to break through the media logjam. This is just a small opening, and in my opinion we should at least try to counter her claims. Baker sets herself up as an expert, and she is fair game.

Agreed, Paul. Thank you so much for bringing this interview and Bonnie Faulkner to our attention. It is hard to believe that anyone would run with an interview with Judyth without having thoroughly vetted her and googled the internet and newsgroups, but that is what seems to have been the case.

Had Judyth come forward with her dramatic narrative and said that it was just that, a 'what if' sort of historical fantasy romance, I think she still could have found an audience, and then everyone could have decided for themselves what to think. But her insistence on replacing the JFK historical record with 'her' version of it has quite correctly antagonized just about everyone with a serious interest in the assassination.

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Pamela and Paul,

Your efforts are appreciated. It is in all our interests to see accurate history overcome feasibly creative writing. I still await the proof of the many claims JVB offers, unless she has a time machine I do not expect they shall be forthcoming.

I can assure you that Judyth would fault the makers of the time machine for not giving her the correct responses. Her behavior is shameless, imo...:-0

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Dr. Joseph Farrell asserts a new scientific breakthrough may show support for the claims of Judyth Vary Baker and of Edward Haslam's book, "Dr. Mary's Monkey."


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I read Joseph Farrell's daily postings on Facebook and never miss watching his weekly YouTube analysis of events. I find him highly credible, which I why I posted his commentary on the new scientific discovery and the claims of Judyth Barker and Edward Haslam. My guess is that most nations' intelligence agencies follow his analyses without fail.

But judge for yourself by viewing his video for this week found in the link above.

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I read Joseph Farrell's daily postings on Facebook and never miss watching his weekly YouTube analysis of events. I find him highly credible, which I why I posted his commentary on the new scientific discovery and the claims of Judyth Barker and Edward Haslam. My guess is that most nations' intelligence agencies follow his analyses without fail.

But judge for yourself by viewing his video for this week found in the link above.

Farrell's work is highly speculative, as is Haslam's. That's what makes them interesting reading. They are writing, in essence, about a false parallel universe of possibilities. Like psuedo-history sci-fi.

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Oh dear! Judyth Vary Baker Wrongly Tried to Take me to Task! :-0

Says Judyth:

"Pamela Brown incorrectly reported that I was asked to leave a booth at Lancer that she implied I somehow invaded. My publisher had purchased a booth there, and I was with him until asked by FRIENDS to join them at their booth. I left quickly in order to speak at my own conference. Pamela Brown created a fake story, but has yet to "find" me."

Tsk, tsk, Judyth.

What I reported is that I was told that Judyth's publisher did indeed reserve a table in the book selling area of the NID conference in 2013. But they had completed the proper paperwork. Judyth had not, but had walzed in to hawk her book. As a result of the impropriety, she was asked to leave.

I will stand by my source that the version told to me by a JFKLancer insider is accurate. This may well be yet one more <yawn> example of Judyth's revisionism. But then, what are we to expect from someone who claims they are smarter than all the rest of us? :-0

I've 'found' her, alright! At the bottom of the sea. With the other bottom-feeders...

http://findingjudyth.blogspot.com/2015/01/oh-dear-judyth-vary-baker-wrongly-tried.html

PS I have just been contacted by my source at JFKLancer who happens to be the person who asked Judyth to leave. My facts are accurate and I stand by them. Judyth is lying. This is just one example of how Judyth twists evidence to suit her agenda and then tries to discredit the one doing their best to put forth the actual facts.

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I erred in my prior posting in implying that Joseph Farrell was endorsing all claims made by Judyth Vary Baker. If you read his commentary it dealt with the link above. Dr. Farrell's opinion piece was about a scientific discovery that could have a relationship to cancer. I think a strong case can be made that CIA uses cancer as a weapon to eliminate targets, a charge that some national leaders in South America have made. Dr. Farrell's commentary did not mention anything about Judyth's claims of her relationship with Oswald.

I have never met Judyth or read her books. My interest lies in promoting freedom of speech and the marketplace of ideas. Judyth has a right to speak and be heard like others in the JFK community, even if what she espouses offends others for a variety of reasons. Judyth's critics have a similar right to speak and be heard on their views of her.

There are a lot of books I would like to read, including Judyth's, but like everyone else I am constrained by time. Right now I am reading Donald Jeffries, "Hidden History: An Expose of Modern Crimes, Conspiracies, and Cover-up in American Politics." I am glad that I have taken the time to do so because I find it so outstanding and rewarding that I plan to review it on Amazon and recommend it highly,

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Larry,

I do believe entertaining is the correct term. When Baker has evidence that can be verified by I shall be happy to have a look. She still has been silent on those prior mentioned unproven book sources.

I agree, Camine. When Haslam's book came out I found it fascinating. It offered a realm of 'what-if's? If I had any idea that there might have been a connection between Judyth and Haslam prior to MF+TMV coming out (they are both from Bradenton, FL, it seems, and it was Haslam who brought Judyth to 60 Minutes -- just little odd coincidences like that) I would have been far more skeptical of his statements. When Judyth just walzed herself into the parallel universe Haslam had created and then demanded that everyone consider it *real* was the point where I began to call out "Whoa Nelly!" But "entertainment" it is...perhaps a new genre of romantic/sci-fi pseudo-history...:-0

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I find alternative views of history endlessly fascinating. No doubt some of it is true. UFO's are a perfect example. We don't know what they are, or whether they all have a common explanation. But skeptics beware - they are real. Nazi ideology is real too, and their science was very advanced. Our sociopaths incorporated their ideology, their expertise, and their persons into our power structures. They were protected from prosecution. The question is how far do we take this? I doubt that Nazi scientists taught ours how to give cancer to Jack Ruby, or that Judyth Vary Baker was working on weaponizing cancer for use against Castro.

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I felt the same way about Haslam's first book and its second edition. It was intriguing. Then it morphed into the Judyth world and that is another story entirely. I don't disagree with Mr. Caddy's point about an open "marketplace for ideas" (although I've seen that become quite literal in some instances) but I think free speech requires that we apply a great deal of critical review and some hard nosed (I'm from Missouri class skepticism) on them. You need to look at the contrary views in just as much depth as the propositions being put forth. Its way too easy to jump onto bandwagons, especially if they are going in a direction which you tend to favor. Which of course explains the success of today's news talk radio - just as a minor example. Find a view you like and tout it on your show...don't waste time actually investigating it or requiring hard data to back it up, just go with it. It creates what I think of as "fan" news...the temptation of bandwagons and "fandom" is something historical research really has to be cautious about.

And yes, I am wearing my "curmudgeon" T shirt today...

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My interest lies in promoting freedom of speech and the marketplace of ideas. Judyth has a right to speak and be heard like others in the JFK community, even if what she espouses offends others for a variety of reasons. Judyth's critics have a similar right to speak and be heard on their views of her.

What if it's untrue? Should false information (unsupported by the presented evidence or regarded as specious by a majority of recognized experts in the field) be seen as equal to the documented information of scholars in the field?

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I just want to remind everyone that every time we post on this topic, we bring Judyth's name to the top of the page. Yeah, my post does that, too. I would suggest that the kindest thing we can do is let this thread float back to the back of the archives here. [Just a suggestion, mind you.]

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She has also refused to take a polygraph paid for by John Armstrong. (He asked me to ask her, so I did privately via fb).

Dawn

She claims she was advised by Sixty Minutes folks never to take one. While they are not definitive, a polygraph test could certainly go a long way toward confirming or denying her story. I would pay for a polygraph myself. Her flat refusal to take one is troubling, but I think I know why she is afraid of it.

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