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I think the main things that concern many parties - LN and CT alike - are that her claims are mixing into the good evidence stream, and some newbies are citing them as established facts; and that she seems to be trying to legitimize herself by holding conferences.

You've long been a very partisan guy, and I see you trying to make it an "LN thing," but the current wave of concern over her story has lots of CTs. The most recent was Greg Parker; there are rumors of an impending article by Jim DiEugenio; and there are lots of other CTs who mistrust her stories (Lifton, Conway, Junkkarinen, etc).

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I think the main things that concern many parties - LN and CT alike - are that her claims are mixing into the good evidence stream, and some newbies are citing them as established facts; and that she seems to be trying to legitimize herself by holding conferences.

You've long been a very partisan guy, and I see you trying to make it an "LN thing," but the current wave of concern over her story has lots of CTs. The most recent was Greg Parker; there are rumors of an impending article by Jim DiEugenio; and there are lots of other CTs who mistrust her stories (Lifton, Conway, Junkkarinen, etc).

nice dodge on the "why"... :)

You do know Gerald Ford could rise from the dead and state, Judyth has a credibility problem--and that same old nutter faction would continue the same old relentless, useless assault...

Someone, someplace needs to rewrite the script.

So now its rumors about impending articles concerning Judyth? Feed that grist mill, dude!

Nothing to do with partisanship ma-man... Judyth is simply a clever, finely tuned, steam rollin' PR machine, who may or may not have a story to tell...

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The above lengthy statement by Greg Parker (whom I do not know) was posted on Facebook. It appears that not only Judyth must be "shut down", but also TrineDay books and Kris Millegan and others. Cannibalism is running amok.

It all reminds me of why John Simkin at one time shut down this forum after even he was attacked on his own forum by one of the moderators no less.

The JFK assassination community is comprised of an infinitely small number of persons in contrast to the U.S. and foreign country populations. This Operation Genocide against Judyth and others is self-defeating and will turn off thoughtful persons who might be interested in learning more about JFK when they conclude their time can be spent better elsewhere.

I support the First Amendment's right to freedom of speech and the concept of the free marketplace of ideas. I can say this without reservation even though I have never met Judyth or read her books. I have a long list of books I want to read, including Judyth's and those of forum members, if I ever get the opportunity to do so.

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If, by the "why," you mean: "True lone nutters just can't seem to leave her and her tales of woe alone, why?", I don't know the answer.

David, you ARE trying to make it partisan, saying it is ONLY the LNs, whom you hate, who are behind this. But not so, and if you care for truth and some degree of consensus in the research community, you'll drop the partisanship. Let's work together, not against each other.

The source of the rumor that DiEugenio is writing a JVB article is...DiEugenio himself, in a DPForum post.

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The above lengthy statement by Greg Parker (whom I do not know) was posted on Facebook. It appears that not only Judyth must be "shut down", but also TrineDay books and Kris Millegan and others. Cannibalism is running amok.

It all reminds me of why John Simkin at one time shut down this forum after even he was attacked on his own forum by one of the moderators no less.

The JFK assassination community is comprised of an infinitely small number of persons in contrast to the U.S. and foreign country populations. This Operation Genocide against Judyth and others is self-defeating and will turn off thoughtful persons who might be interested in learning more about JFK when they conclude their time can be spent better elsewhere.

I support the First Amendment's right to freedom of speech and the concept of the free marketplace of ideas. I can say this without reservation even though I have never met Judyth or read her books. I have a long list of books I want to read, including Judyth's and those of forum members, if I ever get the opportunity to do so.

Douglas, a very important question:

If a new witness emerged, and their accounts were determined by specialists and experts in the field to be unreliable, possibly false information, WHAT SHOULD RESPONSIBLE RESEARCHERS DO? Just let it happen? Take the (foolish) "evidence equivalency" path, that all evidence is equal?? Let the unreliable evidence FOREVER mix in with the reliable evidence? Accept any and all evidence as equal, even if it might be disinfo, designed to lead us off the trail. Certainly an experienced attorney is not advocating these things. WHAT SHOULD WE DO???

If that's the way you really feel, Douglas, then I politely, publicly, unequivocally disagree with you.

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Free speech is a right...but it also has consequences. If you say something incorrect or cannot corroborate factual claims then someone else has the right and duty to point it out. And if you keep doing it, it needs to be made very visible. Now I know this does not happen with a lot of today's radio talk show hosts and TV personalities, but still, it should be done even if their readers and supporters refuse to listen - for whatever reason.

Not to be too serious but to make a point, their used to be a saying here on the frontier ....."speak your mind, but have a fast horse". Listeners were assumed to be skeptics, not fans.

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"If, by the "why," you mean: "True lone nutters just can't seem to leave her and her tales of woe alone, why?", I don't know the answer."

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Of course WE know the answer. Simple: a conspiracy murdered JFK on the streets of Dallas, Texas., 22 Nov 1963, that's it! All the nonsense is about destroying LHO, guilty of murder or not--by association or NOT! Preserve the conclusion of the 1964 Warren Commission Report

Seeya 'round kiddo! You'se guys have worn this undecided, LHO *did it all by his lonesome* oldtimer out!

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"If, by the "why," you mean: "True lone nutters just can't seem to leave her and her tales of woe alone, why?", I don't know the answer."

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Of course WE know the answer. Simple: a conspiracy murdered JFK on the streets of Dallas, Texas., 22 Nov 1963, that's it! All the nonsense is about destroying LHO, guilty of murder or not--by association or NOT! Preserve the conclusion of the 1964 Warren Commission Report

Seeya 'round kiddo! You'se guys have worn this undecided, LHO *did it all by his lonesome* oldtimer out!

Very hard to follow, Dave: Why do LNs obsess about JVB? I don't know. You may be right that they see it as a way of discouraging conspiracy thought. Capisce??

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"If, by the "why," you mean: "True lone nutters just can't seem to leave her and her tales of woe alone, why?", I don't know the answer."

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Of course WE know the answer. Simple: a conspiracy murdered JFK on the streets of Dallas, Texas., 22 Nov 1963, that's it! All the nonsense is about destroying LHO, guilty of murder or not--by association or NOT! Preserve the conclusion of the 1964 Warren Commission Report

Seeya 'round kiddo! You'se guys have worn this undecided, LHO *did it all by his lonesome* oldtimer out!

Very hard to follow, Dave: Why do LNs obsess about JVB? I don't know. You may be right that they see it as a way of discouraging conspiracy thought. Capisce??

capisci ...

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Hello Mr. Caddy,

I did not know you had posted this on the Forum.

Recently I read a "thread" from a FaceBook group called JFK Ventor Group.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1523504387931693/?fref=ts

It is an open group (anyone can read it)

The thread concerned this post created by Judyth Baker , and referenced by the thread starter Zachary Jendro:

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After reading this, a few persons were understandably concerned, if that were true, about Trine Day not including information which Judyth provided. However, everyone seems to speak very well of Kris Millegan, and do not believe, if this occurred, that Kris had anything to do with it.

Judyth has done Trine Day a great disservice if what she posted is not true. Other than what Greg wrote about Kris, this is the only thing I know of.

BTW, I don't believe anyone is trying to shut Trine Day down.

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I'm a little confused on this, is Judyth saying that in numerous places she did have end notes showing herself as the source of information and Trine Day deleted those?

Or is it that she has other sources to support things that she was making personal remarks about and Trine Day left those off?

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"Or is it that she has other sources to support things that she was making personal remarks about and Trine Day left those off?"

It's this one, and she now says that "Me and Lee" is a memoir.

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Well it should be easy for her to rectify it then. She must still have her original which had all the sources cited, should be quick enough to pull them out.

Actually in that event she could just ask Kris to issue an addenda sheet with them or to put it on her book web site.

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Wouldn't you'd think she'd ask for that awhile back?

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Well yes, I know that when authors start getting notes about either errors or asked for clarifications and citations the first thing you do is think addenda and start asking the publisher about

posting addenda or putting errata sheets in the book. Also, these days with print on demand, you can usually fix such things quickly and the publisher simply hands off an update for

electronic printing...easy to make corrections even in between editions. Its a lot easier than it used to be to make fixes these days. Well generally it is - for print at least. When it comes to Amazon and Kindle it can

be much more challenging.....

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