"Doorman" Oswald or Lovelady?

[Jerome Corsi]

Following Oswald Innocence postings on Facebook.

Robin Unger posted a video clip here

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20041&page=3

The video clip appears to have the following URL:

http://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/hugheshouststlostbzoonfuew.gif

This does not appear to be a clip from the Martin film.

I have tried to mail a message to Robin Unger -- but so far no answer.

I want to identify the original source of this clip to get copies of the Oswald/Lovelady figure in the TSBD doorway.

Figure appears to look for the JFK limo turning onto Elm Street, popping in and out of the doorway.

This appears to be a color visual recording to determine shirt color (whereas Altgen-6 requires computer colorization)

Any info on this video clip would be most appreciated.

Jerome Corsi

WND.com

Senior Staff Reporter - at jcorsi@wnd.com and 973-222-5287 cell phone

Will monitor responses here.

Thank you.

[Robert Mady]

later in the thread where he clip was posted:

Hi Pat

The GIF i posted is Hughes (not martin)

It came from the National Geographic DVD

"JFK THE LOST BULLET"

Edited February 6, 2015 by Robert Mady

[Jerome Corsi]

Robert Mady

I will get the National Geographic DVD.

Is there an Internet posted version of the Hughes film that shows that segment clearly?

Thanks

[Jerome Corsi]

Kathy Beckett -- thank you. It is helpful to read the second thread as well.

I'm trying to find a copy of the Hughes film -- with this one claiming to be "complete" --

that shows the sequence supposedly from the Hughes film that was shown in the National Geographic DVD, "JFK: The Lost Bullet"

I ordered the DVD and I will examine it.

If someone has a Internet-posted copy of the Hughes film that shows Oswald/Lovelady in the TSBD doorway as the JFK limo turned onto Elm Street, I would appreciate the link to it.

thanks

Jerry Corsi

[Robert Mady]

Robin Unger just posted a fantastic gif on JKF Forum

http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,12017.48.html

hope this helps

[Jon G. Tidd]

It would be great if one could assume none of the films, including the Hughes film, had been subject to tampering.

I don't trust the veracity of any photographic evidence of the JFK assassination that came into the control of the government.

Edited February 7, 2015 by Jon G. Tidd

[Jerome Corsi]

Robert

The GIF Robin Unger posted of the Hughes film (I agree it is a fantastic gif) stops short of showing the JFK limo after the turn onto Elm, passing in front of the TSBD as seen here:

http://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/hugheshouststlostbzoonfuew.gif

The sequence obviously exists, but I don't see it in the Hughes film.

Thanks

Jerry Corsi

[Jon G. Tidd]

Jerome Corsi,

As I view the clip Pat Speer posted, I see a man in what appears to be a coon-skin hat with his back to the camera raising his arms over his head as the limo passes him.

As I view the Robin Unger clip, I don't see this.

Is the difference in what I view that to which you refer?

[Robin Unger]

Hughes frame (Life Magazine 1967) Credit: Martin Hinrichs.

Click on the image to view full size:

Jerome

You should know that i do NOT support the " Oswald Innocence Campaign " or there photo, film, alteration adgenda

Edited February 7, 2015 by Robin Unger

[Robin Unger]

Martin stabilized GIF showing Lovelady in the doorway. Credit: Chris Davidson.

[Robin Unger]

Both of these GIFs were created by Gerda Dunckel

In the Hughes GIF shown below, i have seen some refer to it as Lovelady leaning out into
the sun as he shields his eyes, and then ducking back into the shadows.

The " Ducking back into the shadows" is only an illusion,

Since the GIF is on a repeat cycle, once it has played it then begins again at the starting frame,
in this case that is in the shadows.

I personally think that Lovelady leaned out from the shadows, dropping his left shoulder as he did so, while momentarily putting his hand up to to shield his eyes from the sun.

I then think that he slowly continued to move towards the center of the doorway so as to get a better view of the motorcade as it passed the doorway and continued down Elm st

Martin / Hughes film sync

[Robin Unger]

Jerome Corsi,

As I view the clip Pat Speer posted, I see a man in what appears to be a coon-skin hat with his back to the camera raising his arms over his head as the limo passes him.

As I view the Robin Unger clip, I don't see this.

Is the difference in what I view that to which you refer?

Jon

The person your refer to as a man in a coon skin hat ?

is a 12-year old girl " Toni Glover " she is wearing a blue hooded jacket, as she stand atop the pedestal

http://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/thumbnails.php?album=123

[Jerome Corsi]

Robin Unger

Thanks for your response.

I am a reporter and I'm not taking sides -- please don't assume I accept uncritically the Oswald Innocence project information.

Please understand I am asking a technical question.

The clip you show of the TSBD door as the limo passes in front of it, as seen here:

http://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/hugheshouststlostbzoonfuew.gif

is not in the Hughes film, or more precisely, it is in no version of the Hughes film I can find posted on the Internet.

The "complete" Hughes film postings stop just as the JFK limo is turning the corner onto Elm, as here:

What you posted above from the Hughes film is similar to what you have as the enhanced Hughes GIF on your blog

http://quaneeri2.blogspot.com.au/

That too stops before the JFK limo has turned the corner.

Also, I am well aware of the sequence at the end of the Hughes film that shows Lovelady in the red checkered shirt standing at the bottom of the TSBD stairs after the shooting.

I want to know where this clip came from:

http://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/hugheshouststlostbzoonfuew.gif

That is my question.

Thank you,

Jerome Corsi

[Robert Mady]

Jerome, the links you posted do not work.

[Don Jeffries]

Great to see you posting here, Jerome.

We've had some intense debates here and on other forums regarding the identity of the figure in the doorway. I don't think the question has been settled definitively.

Sean Murphy has done some great work with his "Prayer Man" research as well.

One thing is for sure- those "investigating" this crime expended a great deal of effort to "prove" that the figure was Lovelady. If they were actually correct, it was the only time they were.