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Back to Lansdale, and with reference to the thread on ONI agent Robert D. Steel, who Tommy Graves believes told him obliquely that the assassination command center was in the Terminal Annex Building across the street from the TSBD.

A scenario: The command center knows that three "tramps" are taken from a train that was leaving the plaza. At least one of these tramps is tied closely enough to the assassination, and even knows who was running it, that his arrest is seen as a crisis. So Lansdale himself leaves the command center and walks across the plaza, to be in position for the tramp to see him and even make eye contact as the tramp is being marched off to jail. Either for reassurance and/or as a threat.

A speculative answer to Prouty's question of what in the world Lansdale was doing in Dealey Plaza. Even some people in the command center may have thought, "What is he doing?"

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I don't think it was a real arrest, to warrant a crisis. From Prouty's description it didn't seem as if they were real police, the way they were dressed(one w/ill-fitting uniform, suggesting a costume), distance/casual attitude, carrying the gun wrong. It wouldn't seem like a real arrest to me, suggesting part of the show in Dealey. It still doesn't explain what Lansdale would be doing though.

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I don't think it was a real arrest, to warrant a crisis. From Prouty's description it didn't seem as if they were real police, the way they were dressed(one w/ill-fitting uniform, suggesting a costume), distance/casual attitude, carrying the gun wrong. It wouldn't seem like a real arrest to me, suggesting part of the show in Dealey. It still doesn't explain what Lansdale would be doing though.

As I recall the officers have been identified, which means they were real police even if they didn't act like it. But I could be wrong. As for their casual attitude, maybe they thought these tramps were actually just three tramps. (And they could have been wrong about that.)

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Don't forget how long this was after the assassination. The police had already arrested the guy they believed was behind it all, and so the tension and passion of the immediate moment had passed. At this stage, pedestrians were streaming all over the place, newspaper reporters and photographers were no longer snapping every single photo they could manage. There was simply nothing nefarious about the tramps or the casual manner of the police. If any one of those tramps had tried to bolt for it and run, they would have been shot down in the street like a dog by the second cop. Let's not create melodrama where there's only routine activity.

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Mark- It was not two hours after the assassination. If you can find a credible source for it being two hours please present it.

After the assassination, photographer George Smith was at Parkland Hospital, taking photos of its exterior. Sometime before 2 pm, Smith went to the Sheriff's office on Houston Street and stopped at the press office. From there, he went to the Schoolbook building.

He took a photo that showed the Hertz clock on top of the building.

The time was 2:19 pm.

Nearly two hours after the assassination.

He then took two pictures of the tramps.

He then took some photos of officers Barnett and Smith, those are the famous "Dr. Pepper bottle" and the long paper sack photos.

According to Lee Bowers, it was approximately 90 minutes after the shooting when a freight train was leaving the rail yard. Bowers stopped that train to give police officers a chance to examine it.

That's when the three tramps were apprehended by the police.

According to Richard Trask, author of "Pictures of the Pain," the tramps were arrested sometime after 2:19, and actually closer to 2:30 pm.

The tramps arrest report was written up at 4:00 pm.

Now. Let's get to your proof that, Brian, that the tramps were arrested sooner than 2:00.

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Mark- It was not two hours after the assassination. If you can find a credible source for it being two hours please present it.

After the assassination, photographer George Smith was at Parkland Hospital, taking photos of its exterior. Sometime before 2 pm, Smith went to the Sheriff's office on Houston Street and stopped at the press office. From there, he went to the Schoolbook building.

He took a photo that showed the Hertz clock on top of the building.

The time was 2:19 pm.

Nearly two hours after the assassination.

He then took two pictures of the tramps.

He then took some photos of officers Barnett and Smith, those are the famous "Dr. Pepper bottle" and the long paper sack photos.

According to Lee Bowers, it was approximately 90 minutes after the shooting when a freight train was leaving the rail yard. Bowers stopped that train to give police officers a chance to examine it.

That's when the three tramps were apprehended by the police.

According to Richard Trask, author of "Pictures of the Pain," the tramps were arrested sometime after 2:19, and actually closer to 2:30 pm.

The tramps arrest report was written up at 4:00 pm.

Now. Let's get to your proof that, Brian, that the tramps were arrested sooner than 2:00.

That's right, Mark.

The guys who were most likely in postal inspector Harry D. Holmes' fifth-floor Terminal Annex CIA / ONI command center would have gone home by then, or gone bowling, perhaps.

Maybe Lansdale knew a shortcut and decided to walk there.

--Tommy :sun

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Mark- It was not two hours after the assassination. If you can find a credible source for it being two hours please present it.

After the assassination, photographer George Smith was at Parkland Hospital, taking photos of its exterior. Sometime before 2 pm, Smith went to the Sheriff's office on Houston Street and stopped at the press office. From there, he went to the Schoolbook building.

He took a photo that showed the Hertz clock on top of the building.

The time was 2:19 pm.

Nearly two hours after the assassination.

He then took two pictures of the tramps.

He then took some photos of officers Barnett and Smith, those are the famous "Dr. Pepper bottle" and the long paper sack photos.

According to Lee Bowers, it was approximately 90 minutes after the shooting when a freight train was leaving the rail yard. Bowers stopped that train to give police officers a chance to examine it.

That's when the three tramps were apprehended by the police.

According to Richard Trask, author of "Pictures of the Pain," the tramps were arrested sometime after 2:19, and actually closer to 2:30 pm.

The tramps arrest report was written up at 4:00 pm.

Now. Let's get to your proof that, Brian, that the tramps were arrested sooner than 2:00.

That's right, Mark.

The guys who were most likely in postal inspector Harry D. Holmes' fifth-floor Terminal Annex CIA / ONI command center would have gone home by then, or gone bowling, perhaps.

Maybe Lansdale knew a shortcut and decided to walk there.

--Tommy :sun

This is probably just me being thick, Tommy, but I can't make out what you're saying here.

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Mark- It was not two hours after the assassination. If you can find a credible source for it being two hours please present it.

After the assassination, photographer George Smith was at Parkland Hospital, taking photos of its exterior. Sometime before 2 pm, Smith went to the Sheriff's office on Houston Street and stopped at the press office. From there, he went to the Schoolbook building.

He took a photo that showed the Hertz clock on top of the building.

The time was 2:19 pm.

Nearly two hours after the assassination.

He then took two pictures of the tramps.

He then took some photos of officers Barnett and Smith, those are the famous "Dr. Pepper bottle" and the long paper sack photos.

According to Lee Bowers, it was approximately 90 minutes after the shooting when a freight train was leaving the rail yard. Bowers stopped that train to give police officers a chance to examine it.

That's when the three tramps were apprehended by the police.

According to Richard Trask, author of "Pictures of the Pain," the tramps were arrested sometime after 2:19, and actually closer to 2:30 pm.

The tramps arrest report was written up at 4:00 pm.

Now. Let's get to your proof that, Brian, that the tramps were arrested sooner than 2:00.

That's right, Mark.

The guys who were most likely in postal inspector Harry D. Holmes' fifth-floor Terminal Annex Building CIA / ONI command center would have gone home by then, or gone bowling, perhaps.

Maybe Lansdale knew a shortcut and decided to walk there. LOL

--Tommy :sun

This is probably just me being thick, Tommy, but I can't make out what you're saying here.

What don't you understand, Mark?

Have you been reading the Robert D. Steel thread and the Harry D. Holmes thread?

--Tommy :sun

PS I edited it by adding the word "Building" and a "LOL"

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Back to Lansdale, and with reference to the thread on ONI agent Robert D. Steel, who Tommy Graves believes told him obliquely that the assassination command center was in the Terminal Annex Building across the street from the TSBD.

A scenario: The command center knows that three "tramps" are taken from a train that was leaving the plaza. At least one of these tramps is tied closely enough to the assassination, and even knows who was running it, that his arrest is seen as a crisis. So Lansdale himself leaves the command center and walks across the plaza, to be in position for the tramp to see him and even make eye contact as the tramp is being marched off to jail. Either for reassurance and/or as a threat.

A speculative answer to Prouty's question of what in the world Lansdale was doing in Dealey Plaza. Even some people in the command center may have thought, "What is he doing?"

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Back to Lansdale, and with reference to the thread on ONI agent Robert D. Steel, who Tommy Graves believes told him obliquely that the assassination command center was in the Terminal Annex Building across the street from the TSBD.

A scenario: The command center knows that three "tramps" are taken from a train that was leaving the plaza. At least one of these tramps is tied closely enough to the assassination, and even knows who was running it, that his arrest is seen as a crisis. So Lansdale himself leaves the command center and walks across the plaza, to be in position for the tramp to see him and even make eye contact as the tramp is being marched off to jail. Either for reassurance and/or as a threat.

A speculative answer to Prouty's question of what in the world Lansdale was doing in Dealey Plaza. Even some people in the command center may have thought, "What is he doing?"

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Ahh I see. Well, this scenario presupposes that Holt was one of the tramps, which he was not. I can't offer any assistance on that area of research.

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Mark- It was not two hours after the assassination. If you can find a credible source for it being two hours please present it.

After the assassination, photographer George Smith was at Parkland Hospital, taking photos of its exterior. Sometime before 2 pm, Smith went to the Sheriff's office on Houston Street and stopped at the press office. From there, he went to the Schoolbook building.

He took a photo that showed the Hertz clock on top of the building.

The time was 2:19 pm.

Nearly two hours after the assassination.

He then took two pictures of the tramps.

He then took some photos of officers Barnett and Smith, those are the famous "Dr. Pepper bottle" and the long paper sack photos.

According to Lee Bowers, it was approximately 90 minutes after the shooting when a freight train was leaving the rail yard. Bowers stopped that train to give police officers a chance to examine it.

That's when the three tramps were apprehended by the police.

According to Richard Trask, author of "Pictures of the Pain," the tramps were arrested sometime after 2:19, and actually closer to 2:30 pm.

The tramps arrest report was written up at 4:00 pm.

Now. Let's get to your proof that, Brian, that the tramps were arrested sooner than 2:00.

Bumped for Brian Schmidt.

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