Ron Ecker Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 (edited) 6. In private email, I will tell you why I believe Corso is not credible--and is just a story-teller. I would add that Majestic 12, the alleged secret government committee on UFOs, is generally considered to have been a hoax. I remember reading articles about it years ago in the journal Skeptical Inquirer that pretty well debunked it. Of course the case for an alien presence does not sink or swim on whether or not Majestic 12 ever existed. The Wikipedia article on Majestic 12 is a good general overview: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majestic_12 Edited June 16, 2015 by Ron Ecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Caddy Posted June 16, 2015 Author Share Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015003453936;view=1up;seq=5 Above is the Brooking Institute's study that David Lifton referred to in his prior comments. Wikipedia provides more information on this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brookings_Report Edited June 16, 2015 by Douglas Caddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 David - what is the point of communicating with Mr. Caddy privately? I am certain we would all want to know the contents of your proposed private emails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Douglas - last night I fell asleep while listening to your broadcast - not because it was boring. Any chance you could summarize here what E Howard Hunt had to say about JFK, and how you personally feel about the veracity of Hunt's comments to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Caddy Posted June 16, 2015 Author Share Posted June 16, 2015 Paul: I would prefer to let Howard Hunt’s words speak for themselves as reported in the video rather than attempt to summarize them. As to whether one should believe Hunt, I would point out that he was an OSS agent during WWII and then became a CIA agent when the CIA was formed in 1947. He was close during the subsequent years to the CIA leadership. He admired the Dulles brothers and ghost wrote Allen Dulles' classic best-seller, "The Craft of Intelligence." CIA director Richard Helms kept Hunt's books on display in his CIA office and in 1969 even placed Hunt in the Mullen Company, which was a CIA front organized by the CIA in 1959 (although I never knew this until Senator Howard Baker issued his supplement to the Senate Watergate Committee report.) Hunt also was close to Lawrence Houston, the CIA's legal counsel who had come aboard when the CIA was first organized. At their invitation I met with them both in April 1972, two months before Watergate broke, at which time they sounded me out as to whether I would become a CIA agent. That question became moot when Watergate broke later. I have no proof but I have come to believe that Lawrence Houston knew of Hunt's plans for the Watergate break-in. Hunt's primary loyalty was to the CIA, not to Nixon and the White House even though Nixon had come to know Hunt in 1954 because of Hunt's involvement in the CIA Guatemala operation that overthrew the country’s alleged communist president. The bottom line is that Hunt was wired enough in the intelligence community to know about the Alien Presence.I posted this link on the EF this morning that elaborates on the Brookings Institute report.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brookings_Report Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Kinaski Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) IMO JFKs proposal for a joint effort ( USA-SU)to reach the moon, in his UNO Speech on 20.9.1963 had nothing to do with an alien presence on earth, in which you, Mr. Caddy, seem to believe. You seem to believe that JFK was too convinced of such a presence, and you seem to believe Howard Hunt, who told you in 1975, JFK was murdered, because he was about to give away the greatest secret of the USA to the Sowjets: the knowledge of an alien presence on earth. O la la... Anyway, the first part of your Y-Tube interview (the way you met Howard Hunt and became involved with Watergate), is interesting. KK Edited June 17, 2015 by Karl Kinaski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Ward Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Thanks for posting the link Douglas.You are obviously a intelligent man,who was at the centre of momentous events in the sixties.I am open minded about UFO,s like I am most things.But the way that anyone who mentions them is attacked by the MSM leads me to think there might be something more to it than meets the eye.I enjoyed the whole debate.So thanks again for posting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ecker Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Douglas, Like Malcolm I am open-minded about UFOs. As a kid in the 1950s, the era of "flying saucers," I devoured every book I could find on them. Everything from Donald Keyhoe's books to George Adamski's "Flying Saucers Have Landed." A question: Since Hunt died 8 years ago, why did you wait till now to reveal what he told you about an alien presence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Hancock Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 I too have had a long term interest in the subject, since about 1962, was an early member of APRO and NICAP - but in this instance I totally agree with Ron on MJ12 which is a horrible diversion and with Karl as well in regard to a JFK connection. There has been some solid historical work on the subject and if you want the real deal check out UFO's and Government, A Historical Inquiry by Michael Swords and Robert Powell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Caddy Posted June 17, 2015 Author Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) In response to the above comments: Karl: In my interview I never said that JFK’s September 1963 speech before the U.N. dealt with the Alien Presence. I said that his speech dealt with international cooperation between the Soviet Union and the U.S. in exploring outer space and a joint landing on the moon. Ron: I waited until now to tell about my dinner with Howard Hunt in 1975 for the same reason I waited until last November to tell my story about Watergate. As I wrote in the last two paragraphs of that document that can be found in this forum: “President Nixon’s cosmic downfall because of Watergate was, in my opinion, blowback or what goes around, comes around, or perhaps a morphed form of Karma. This was because the principal purposes of the burglars going into the Democratic headquarters, in addition to getting lists of the clients of both the female and male prostitution rings thought to be there and to plant a new wiretap bug, was also to copy secret Cuban government intelligence reports suspected to be there. The documents linked through a chain of events a decision by Vice President Nixon in 1960 to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy three years later. It was about that “Bay of Pigs” thing. Possible possession of the reports by the Democrats, which included additional intelligence as to persons involved in JFK’s assassination, if released publicly during the 1972 presidential campaign, posed a serious threat to Nixon’s reelection but an even far more serious one to the CIA for its role in the assassination. “But that is a story for another time.” The “story for another time” is my 1975 dinner with Hunt. The invitation to do June 11th video interview abruptly came my way and I decided to do it before I reduced my remaining story to full written exposition. I had been delayed in writing because I caught something between the flu and a really bad cold that took almost a month before I gained all my health back. I had been waiting for some time for a news peg that would make my story about Watergate relevant and fresh after some 40 years. That news peg finally arose last year when John Dean published his book, “The Nixon Defense: What He Knew and When He Knew it.” In his book Dean failed to disclose that starting April 25, 1972 (less than two months before Watergate), I had been assigned by the Lawyers Committee for the Reelection of the President and my law firm to do ordinary campaign legal work under his direction and also that I had refused to accept the “hush money” that Anthony Ulasewicz had offered me upon orders from Dean. Dean never told Nixon about these two important matters as shown in Nixon’s Oval tape of July 19th. My memoir is not only about my role in Watergate but is also an expose of John Dean’s betrayal of President Nixon and the country because he had his own personal secrets to protect. So both my memoir on Watergate and my interview about the 1975 dinner with Hunt have come late for the reason described above. By the way, Pulitzer Prize winning reporerTimWeiner’s new book “One Man Against the World: The Tragedy of Richard Nixon” went on sale just yesterday. Kirkus Reviews writes, “It speaks volumes about Nixon that there is still more to learn about him, 40-plus years after Watergate… [it] is even worse than what we knew.” Also, Ray Locker’s book, “Nixon’s Gamble” was published only a few weeks ago.http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=21991 My memoir and video interview reveal “there is still more to learn…” Larry: You write that you "totally agree with Ron on MJ12 which is a horrible diversion and with Karl as well in regard to the JFK assassination.” It was about a year ago that you were claiming that the “Texas Connection” involving Mac Wallace and the fingerprint issues were diversions and declared that Joan Mellen was going to settle those issues once and for all with a new book. I subsequently answered all questions posed to me by Joan, a widely admired scholar and author, and also provided her with new information that might prove helpful. However, the decision has been reached not to publish her book on the “Texas Connection.” It would appear that anything that does not fit into a certain embraced paradigm is a diversion. So I assume the following entries on the forum are diversions also: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=12302 http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=18360 http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=14740 http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=15062 http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=11564 http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=8675 http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=17966 http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=21623 http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=18714 http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=8289 http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=15829 There are additional entries in the forum but those above are worth reading unless you have a pre-conceived idea that they are diversions. Edited June 17, 2015 by Douglas Caddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Kinaski Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) Mr. Caddy: did you believe Howard Hunt, when he told you in 1975 that Kennedy was killed because he was about to give away the USA most secret secret, the ALIEN PRESENCE? KK Edited June 17, 2015 by Karl Kinaski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Hancock Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) Douglas, if I stated the fingerprint issue as strongly as you describe it I'm surprised. What I should have said was that there were open issues with the prints and that I myself after having thought them to be conclusive had shifted back to a neutral position on them. As a side note, I myself drafted a book length manuscript on the Johnson link build around Wallace and Cliff Carter and Estes - the early portions of parts of that research are still on the Ed forum. Due to my lack of total confidence in the prints and to Estes final versions of his own story and his final book, I basked off from that feeling it was just not solid enough to pursue in print. The suspicions I do have about Johnson are expressed in SWHT and harken back to some of that early research. I also provided material for Joan's work and directed her to Richard Bartholemew, who I had been routinely in touch with ages ago and over the years on the prints - for that matter I had been in extensive touch with Jaye Harrison during the same period. Joan presented on the subject at a Lancer conference and I was unable to catch all her presentation although the parts I heard were certainly negative about Wallace. My understanding was that the book had either been delayed or pulled because of issues with her publisher but I will query her on that and her current opinion on the prints. As to the UFO subject, I will take a look at the links you posted in a bit. My upcoming book - Surprise Attack - has a good bit about it about immediate post war period, the military intelligence community and UFO's - which were initially taken quite seriously. What more I have to say on the overall subject may come out in print someday, if I ever finish those studies. However in the interim, yes I do think there are a number of serious diversions in play, not necessarily with ill intent although in the UFO field you find all sorts of agendas and personal games - Mirage Men and Project Beta are both books that cover that sort of thing. Obviously my opinion on what is a diversion and what is not is strictly that, an opinion. However I have to admit I am becoming a bit less bashful about sharing those. As a postscript, I did look at the links and yes its my opinion that the discussion of alien visitors, JFK, Oswald and a UFO related motivation for the assassination is indeed a diversion. That's based in some fifty plus years of study of the UFO phenomena (which I obviously believe has some overall value if I spent and spend that much time on it) and only some twenty plus years on the Kennedy assassination. I'd call it an educated and hopefully critical opinion, but still, only an opinion. Edited June 17, 2015 by Larry Hancock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Caddy Posted June 17, 2015 Author Share Posted June 17, 2015 Interview with Tim Weiner, author of the new book, “One Man Against The World”:http://www.npr.org/programs/fresh-air/2015/06/15/414667389/fresh-air-for-june-15-2015?showDate=2015-06-15 Start at minute 18 to listen for a few minutes as to why Nixon ordered the Watergate break-in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Kinaski Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Mr. Caddy: did you believe Howard Hunt, when he told you in 1975 that Kennedy was killed because he was about to give away the USA most secret secret, the ALIEN PRESENCE? Yeah? or No? KK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Schmidt Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Interesting interview with Tim Weiner, if you can get past his overly dramatic tone. Thanks for posting it, Douglas. He really doesn't like Nixon, which taints his research, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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