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5 minutes ago, Paul Trejo said:

The following is my opinion.

The news that President Trump continues to withhold some JFK assassination files comes as a great shock to me.

Others will be disappointed -- I am shocked.

President GHW Bush -- a genius and former Director of the CIA -- deemed that the American People would be ready for the JFK assassination files by Thursday 26 October 2017.

President Trump disagrees.

I can't help wondering if President Trump's current overtures to the Radical Right in the South (an integral part of his "base") may be at the root of this shocking withhold.

No -- I don't claim to know what is being withheld -- but I do claim that NOBODY (not even Ernie Lazar) can know what is being withheld, either.  This is another sad day in American History.

Sadly,
--Paul Trejo

Apparently, the only additional docs being withheld until April 2018 are CIA docs -- so they would not be of any significance to your argument.   Your "NOBODY can know" argument is not very convincing.  Judge Tunheim (the Chairman of the ARRB) certainly knows since it was the ARRB which saw all the withheld docs and approved them for being withheld.  Tunheim has said repeatedly that there are no bombshells in the remaining docs.  Most of the material just reveals names of informants or confidential sources along with income tax records and other material which has nothing to do with any radical right conspiracy.   This is borne out by the NARA list of withheld docs---none of which originate from an FBI file number whose subject matter pertains to what YOU think is being withheld.

Every time you post one of these messages, it just reveals your unwillingness to face reality.

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Ernie,

It makes me laugh every time you claim that you know what the US Government is holding secret.   Keep up the comedy.

Amused,
--Paul Trejo

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2 hours ago, Paul Trejo said:

Ernie,

It makes me laugh every time you claim that you know what the US Government is holding secret.   Keep up the comedy.

Amused,
--Paul Trejo

It is not a question of me knowing or making a claim.  It is a function of documentary evidence which is publicly available concerning ALL the remaining documents to be released.  But since you never rely upon EVIDENCE because you prefer FANTASIES and DELUSIONS -- then you can claim anything you want -- just like every other FICTION writer.

THAT is why every JFK researcher INCLUDING all the people who totally believe there was a conspiracy involved --- DO NOT discuss Harry Dean or Jeff Caufield -- because they, too, rely upon verifiable factual EVIDENCE -- not your delusional beliefs and baseless opinions.

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Ernie,

NOBODY has verifiable evidence except you, evidently.   Not even Professor David Wrone.  Not even Dr. Jeff Caufield.  Not even FBI agent Jim Hosty.

Just you.

Amused,
--Paul Trejo

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19 minutes ago, Paul Trejo said:

Ernie,

NOBODY has verifiable evidence except you, evidently.   Not even Professor David Wrone.  Not even Dr. Jeff Caufield.  Not even FBI agent Jim Hosty.

Just you.

Amused,
--Paul Trejo

ANYBODY (even you) can provide verifiable evidence. 

The problem is that 99% of the time you never provide it. 

Instead, you just express your personal opinion OR you ATTRIBUTE beliefs to a person which they DO NOT believe OR you cite as "experts" - people who refute what YOU believe!

As I previously pointed out (and you don't even deny this), your favorite sources of "information" (Harry Dean, James Hosty, Wesley Swearingen, Don Adams) do NOT even include bibliographic footnotes or documentary evidence references in their writings which can be fact-checked.  THAT is the type (and quality) of "information" which excites and convinces YOU.

Think of this like a jury trial.  What YOU are doing is functioning like a lawyer who NEVER provides ANY contradictory evidence which can be verified.  Instead, your approach is to bring to the witness stand, a host of people who share your OPINIONS -- even though NONE of you have ever performed any independent investigation.  Instead, you just quote each other.

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I'm sure that no one expected the government to release any incriminating evidence.  If it is worth withholding for 54 years, then it is worth withholding for many more.  I'm quite sure there are many documents that will never see the light of day.  Most people that are interested already know who was involved and why they were involved.  They know most of the details of how the conspiracy was hatched and carried out.  Is there absolute proof?  Depends on whether anyone wants there to be proof.  I believe that most persons that believe Oswald was the assassin either actually knows little or nothing of the actual details, or believe stories they have read that sound plausible.  The CIA and FBI did a good enough job of selling the lone nut story that it has been enough for those that want to believe it to be true.   Those that really want to know the truth will never buy the 'lone nut' story.  

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3 hours ago, Paul Trejo said:

Ernie,

NOBODY has verifiable evidence except you, evidently.   Not even Professor David Wrone.  Not even Dr. Jeff Caufield.  Not even FBI agent Jim Hosty.

Just you.

Amused,
--Paul Trejo

Let's see what we can AGREE upon -- ok?   Let's start with a true/false test.

TRUE OR FALSE?

1.  The FBI is our nation's primary internal security investigative agency?

2.  By law, the FBI is responsible for such matters as:  subversion, espionage, treason, civil rights violations, counterintelligence operations, and all kinds of domestic security-related matters?

3.  All governmental agencies (local, state, and federal) know that the FBI is our nation's primary internal security investigative agency?

4.  Because of #3, literally hundreds of federal and state and county and city governmental agencies and departments and commissions (and their field office locations in every state or city/town) know that, by law, it is their responsibility to share any internal-security-related information with the FBI?

5.   In addition:  many independent investigative bodies (such as military intelligence, i.e. G-2, ONI, OSI) -- along with foreign governments AND even private citizens and journalists and employers know that it is also their responsibility to share internal-security-related information with the FBI?

6.   Because of #5, the FBI has received literally MILLIONS of unsolicited contacts from outside independent sources of information (by phone, by mail, and by in-person visits -- and even (in former decades) by telegram.  [See, for example, Harry Dean file].

7.   HOWEVER, in many instances, these contacts with the FBI did NOT produce usable or factually true information.  In fact, FBI files contain numerous notations describing certain individuals as "mental cases".  Nevertheless, ALL of this information is contained in FBI files (HQ and field office)?

IN SUMMARY:  -- Do you agree OR disagree with the following?

FBI files contain LOTS of unverified raw information.  By definition, "unverified raw information" consists of assertions or statements which have NOT been checked for accuracy or errors. 

Usually, such information has never been analyzed and fact-checked by some knowledgeable person or investigator in order to identify and filter out the false or misleading or exaggerated information.   

Raw information often includes subjective or biased assertions or conclusions because the original source has some sort of ax to grind OR the source has a specific agenda which he/she wants to advance which colors the judgments they make OR the original source is not sufficiently knowledgeable about the subject matters being discussed to make fair, reasonable, and accurate conclusions.  Furthermore, the original source may just be giving the FBI rumors, gossip, speculation, half-truths, or hearsay information.

EXAMPLE:  Numerous FBI files contain incoming reports (aka unverified raw information) from FBI informants.  Not everything they relay to the FBI is true or factual.  In other words, not ALL information received by the FBI has equal value or validity or relevance.

NOW---WITH ALL THIS IN MIND---perhaps you would like to go back and review the FBI files which pertain to Edwin Walker and tell us why you think the FBI was "tracking" or "watching" him??

(1)  What, exactly, was the FBI looking for?  and what did they DO with all the information they developed from "tracking" or "watching" him?

(2)   IS IT YOUR CONTENTION that every single FBI file (HQ or field office) that pertains to a human being -- is an example of the FBI "tracking" or "watching" that person?

(3)  IF an FBI file on a person has biographical information about that person (such as:  date of birth, names of immediate relatives, education, current employment, military service record, residence address, criminal history) -- does that mean the FBI was "tracking" or "watching" that person?

 

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8 hours ago, Ernie Lazar said:

Apparently, the only additional docs being withheld until April 2018 are CIA docs -- so they would not be of any significance to your argument.   Your "NOBODY can know" argument is not very convincing.  Judge Tunheim (the Chairman of the ARRB) certainly knows since it was the ARRB which saw all the withheld docs and approved them for being withheld.  Tunheim has said repeatedly that there are no bombshells in the remaining docs.  Most of the material just reveals names of informants or confidential sources along with income tax records and other material which has nothing to do with any radical right conspiracy.   This is borne out by the NARA list of withheld docs---none of which originate from an FBI file number whose subject matter pertains to what YOU think is being withheld.

Every time you post one of these messages, it just reveals your unwillingness to face reality.

Since I mentioned Judge Tunheim -- I suggest Paul read his most recent comments contained in this Politico article--because Tunheim DOES know what is in the remaining documents.  See especially his comment at end of the article which I bolded:

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/27/jfk-records-rollout-judge-criticism-244257 

Judge rebukes handling of JFK records

By BRYAN BENDER,   10/27/2017 05:29 PM EDT

The federal judge who oversaw the collection of government documents on John F. Kennedy's assassination called it "disappointing" that President Donald Trump is holding back so many of the records while the CIA, FBI and other agencies review them.

"I just don't think there is anything in these records that require keeping them secret now," John Tunheim, who from 1992 to 1998 chaired a congressionally established board that reviewed all the files on the assassination, told POLITICO in a telephone interview Friday. He is now a U.S. district judge in Minnesota.

Trump announced the partial delay Thursday night, just days after pledging to release the remaining collection. He instead granted agencies six more months to review many of the documents to ensure they do not reveal sensitive intelligence sources or practices — 25 years after Congress had set Thursday as the deadline for releasing them. The National Archives released about 2,800 documents Thursday while holding back an unspecified number.

The CIA said Thursday that the details it is concerned about include "the names of CIA assets and current and former CIA officers, as well as specific intelligence methods and partnerships that remain viable to protecting the nation today."

Even so, "the President has demanded unprecedented transparency from the agencies and directed them to minimize redactions without delay," the White House said in a statement. "The National Archives will therefore release more records, with redactions only in the rarest of circumstances, by the deadline of April 26, 2018."

Dismayed assassination scholars and researchers assert that Thursday's release encompasses only a fraction of what had remained undisclosed in the National Archives. The final batch that scholars have been waiting for total more than 3,100 files that had previously been "withheld in full," and about 30,000 others that were partially released over the years with some information blacked out.

All those documents were collected by Tunheim's Assassination Records Review Board, which Congress created in 1992 amid the public interest generated by the Oliver Stone film JFK.

Thursday's released contained only 52 new documents that had previously been completely withheld — less than 2 percent of the total, said Rex Bradford, president of the nonprofit Mary Ferrell Foundation, which has digitized hundreds of thousands of the records related to Kennedy's murder.

Meanwhile, he said, Thursday's release of 2,839 previously redacted documents accounts for less than 10 percent of what had remained in the Archives' files, he said.

"To borrow a phrase," Bradford said, "sad."

And many of the "new" documents aren't even new, several noted authorities on the subject contend, despite some of the headlines they generated.

For example, the BBC and other news outlets reported the revelation Friday that a British newspaper had gotten an anonymous tip about "some big news" in the U.S. just 25 minutes before Kennedy's assassination on Nov. 22, 1963.

But a British research organization had unearthed that report in other files in 1995.

Another document that generated early interest from the JFK assassination research community was an FBI memo from Nov. 24, 1963 — the day Dallas nightclub owner Jack Ruby shot and killed Oswald — expressing worries about public perception of Kennedy's murder. The memo related a remark by then-Director J. Edgar Hoover: “The thing I am concerned about is having something issued so that we can convince the public that Oswald is the real assassin.”

But several scholars pointed out that a document written by then-Deputy Attorney General Nicholas Katzenbach — made public decades ago — revealed similar sentiments.

"So a lot of what is being reported is old news," remarked Bradford.

Still, a number of researchers intimately familiar with the government paper trail on the Kennedy case were dumbfounded at the government's inability or unwillingness to release more of the final documents by Thursday's deadline.

The 1992 law establishing the Assassination Records Review Board set a deadline of Oct. 26, 2017, to automatically release all remaining records, unless the president ordered them kept secret to protect national security based on the recommendations of government agencies.

"Why did this delay have to happen at the last minute?" asked Richard Anderson, a historian who has research the Kennedy assassination. "The intelligence agencies have had 25 years to prepare."

"The original JFK act law specified immediate release of JFK records and only in the most rarest of occasions should there be a postponement or redactions," he added. "Even if postponements are legitimate they risk the public’s trust at this point by not releasing everything as promised."

Senate Judiciary Chairman Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) slamed the delay as "ridiculous," tweeting: "YeGods u had fifty yrs NOW CIA WANTS FURTHER COVERUP/POTUS STOP."

Tunheim said he believes that the CIA and FBI are probably most concerned that the documents could reveal secret relationships with foreign countries.

"They knew this deadline long ago," Tunheim said. "It should have been done by Oct. 26, 2017."

 

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NOTE TO PAUL TREJO:   THIS IS WHAT PRESENTING EVIDENCE LOOKS LIKE

JFK DOCS BY SUBJECT

EDWIN WALKER DOCS

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4134205-DOCID-32248018.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4134206-DOCID-32248020.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4140713-DOCID-32313660.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4143805-DOCID-32335769.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4143821-DOCID-32335796.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4143833-DOCID-32335860.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4143835-DOCID-32335866.html

HARRY DEAN

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4132586-DOCID-32127956.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4140478-DOCID-32312899.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4140491-DOCID-32312909.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4140494-DOCID-32312915.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4140497-DOCID-32312925.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4140501-DOCID-32312926.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4140504-DOCID-32312927.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4140926-DOCID-32319416.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4145040-DOCID-32389028.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4145044-DOCID-32389346.html

JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4132791-DOCID-32158127.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4133632-DOCID-32191928.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4133784-DOCID-32202012.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4134204-DOCID-32248016.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4134206-DOCID-32248020.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4134216-DOCID-32248213.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4134273-DOCID-32270564.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4134690-DOCID-32277355.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4135512-DOCID-32295871.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4139496-DOCID-32308444.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4140293-DOCID-32312210.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4141335-DOCID-32323122.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4142188-DOCID-32328488.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4143542-DOCID-32334414.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4143757-DOCID-32335263.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4143759-DOCID-32335267.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4143792-DOCID-32335623.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4143821-DOCID-32335796.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4143840-DOCID-32335882.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4144822-DOCID-32356696.html

 LORAN EUGENE HALL

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4134586-DOCID-32273595.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4135520-DOCID-32295875.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4140700-DOCID-32313589.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4143799-DOCID-32335663.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4144379-DOCID-32344747.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4144822-DOCID-32356696.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4144838-DOCID-32357166.html

AMERICAN NAZI PARTY:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4132563-DOCID-32121661.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4132872-DOCID-32166013.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4133157-DOCID-32178675.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4134205-DOCID-32248018.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4134206-DOCID-32248020.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4143309-DOCID-32333914.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4143808-DOCID-32335776.html

ROBERT DEPUGH

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4143490-DOCID-32334364.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4143509-DOCID-32334384.html

JOHN THOMAS MASEN

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4140660-DOCID-32313501.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4140663-DOCID-32313507.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4140667-DOCID-32313514.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4140670-DOCID-32313518.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4140673-DOCID-32313529.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4140679-DOCID-32313532.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4140683-DOCID-32313549.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4140690-DOCID-32313561.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4140700-DOCID-32313589.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4140703-DOCID-32313597.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4140710-DOCID-32313608.html

KU KLUX KLAN

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4132744-DOCID-32153638.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4133299-DOCID-32182643.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4134205-DOCID-32248018.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4134817-DOCID-32284940.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4135343-DOCID-32295006.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4135347-DOCID-32295007.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4140197-DOCID-32311578.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4143410-DOCID-32334304.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4143423-DOCID-32334317.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4143490-DOCID-32334364.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4143493-DOCID-32334366.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4143506-DOCID-32334381.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4143509-DOCID-32334384.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4143752-DOCID-32335245.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4143758-DOCID-32335264.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4143796-DOCID-32335652.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4143798-DOCID-32335655.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4145305-DOCID-32397527.html

JOHN CROMMELIN:   NONE

PEDRO DEL VALLE:   NONE

GUY GALBADON:       NONE

JOHN ROUSSELOT:    NONE

ROBERT WELCH:       NONE

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FBI to release all of its JFK assassination files

By HENRY C. JACKSON,  10/30/2017 08:45 PM EDT

The FBI said Monday it has now authorized the release of all the previously withheld materials in its files about the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

The bureau said that the files would now be released by the National Archives on a rolling basis in the coming weeks.

Last week, President Donald Trump delayed the release of an unspecified number of documents while also allowing the release of dozens of new files on events surrounding the 1963 assassination. The White House said at the time it was doing so at the request of the FBI and CIA while directing federal agencies to re-review remaining files. Officials cited national security concerns.

The FBI said Monday that the remaining documents contain some redactions that relate to individuals who provided information during its investigation of the shooting, and whose lives may be at risk if they’re identified.

The bureau said it would make every effort to lift those redactions going forward.

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FROM BREITBART WEBSITE:   I guess one could make the observation that the Paul Trejo argument is essentially the same as the CPUSA argument:    http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/10/30/docs-cpusa-immediately-spun-conspiracy-theories-deflect-fact-communist-killed-kennedy/

Docs: CPUSA Immediately Spun Conspiracy Theories to Deflect Fact That Communist Killed Kennedy 

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by DANIEL J. FLYNN30 Oct 2017]

The Communist Party of the United States of America (CPUSA) advanced conspiracy theories in the immediate aftermath of John F. Kennedy’s assassination aimed to discredit the notion that a Communist killed the president of the United States, according to a Breitbart News review of memorandums released last week through the National Archives.

The narrative pushed by the CPUSA within days of the murder of the president remains familiar to this day to anyone with a passing knowledge of the conspiracy theories surrounding the John F. Kennedy assassination. The documents show a clear propaganda effort, sans any evidence for it, to convince the public that the far right, not an extreme leftist, murdered the popular president.

A December 4, 1963 FBI document cites “Who Really Killed Pres. Kennedy?,” literature issued by the Communist Party of Illinois  and dated December 1, 1963, which claimed that “only the Ultra Right and the Southern Racists” benefitted from the assassination. “Dallas is the stronghold of the Ultra Right” and “the John Birch Society,” the literature reasoned in pushing the conspiracy theory.

“The police say he was a member of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee,” the flier read. “The police say he was pro-Communist, yet the anti-Castro Cubans in this country say he offered to work for them.”

Later that month, FBI informants reported on a Communist Party meeting in Manhattan outlining strategies to show that Lee Harvey Oswald did not kill the president and that he did not believe in Marxism even if he did kill the president.

“On 12/16/63, an informal discussion was held in at CP headquarters, NYC, and Irving Potash participated,” the FBI memo indicates. “It was stated that Mark Lane, former New York state assemblyman, has prepared a brief that will knock holes ‘in proof that [Lee] Oswald was guilty.’ George Morris said the prime thing to do was to prove he was not a Marxist. Potash said ‘The New Republic’ has an investigator trying to prove he [Oswald] was linked to the ultra-right.”

Mark Lane, the chief Kennedy assassination conspiracy theorist, wrote the 1966 bestseller Rush to Judgement and made a career out of representing fringe figures such as Jim Jones and James Earl Ray. He spent more than a half century before his 2016 death characterizing the official version of the events of November 22, 1963, as a hoax.

Despite casting doubt on Oswald’s beliefs and affiliations, CPUSA leaders corresponded with Oswald before the assassination, encouraged his activism within that group, and acknowledged his work with the Fair Play for Cuba Committee and his life inside the Soviet Union. Though portraying the Right as Kennedy’s deadly enemy after the murder, the party routinely conflated the anti-Communist president with right-wingers, including in “The Ultra-Right, Kennedy, and the Role of the Progressives for Peoples Unity Against Big Business Reaction and the War Danger,” literature sent by the CPUSA to Lee Harvey Oswald just months before the assassination.

In a letter sent to Oswald by Johnson less than three months prior to the assassination, he suggests that Oswald “get in touch with us here and we will find some way of getting in touch with you” should he make it to Baltimore as the ex-Marine had hoped.

While Johnson’s letter indicates the author did not know Oswald personally, he acknowledges at least two of his letters to the organization. Oswald wrote to party chairman Gus Hall and Elizabeth Gurley Flynn, a founder of the American Civil Liberties Union whose prestige on the Left eclipsed perhaps all other Americans belonging to the CPUSA.

Johnson writes Oswald that “you have a right to participate in such organizations as you decide, but at the same time there are a number of organizations, such as the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, which are of a very broad character and often it is advisable for some people to remain in the background, not the underground.”

A bureau source recalled typing at least one of Johnson’s letters to Oswald. “Informant stated that she recalled the name Lee Harvey Oswald,” a memo released on Thursday explains, “and while at party headquarters this date, picked up several of her dictation notebooks. On searching these notebooks, she came upon her shorthand notes reflecting a letter to Oswald.”

Despite the CPUSA acknowledging Oswald and encouraging his activism prior to the assassination, the group immediately shifted gears after the assassination. Oswald, they insinuated, served as a fall guy or an agent provocateur cynically infiltrating Communist groups. The flier issued by the Communists just days after the assassination questions whether authorities allowed his murder to silence him and criticizes law enforcement, which “kept [Oswald] for two days without the right to see counsel.”

The party notes neither Oswald’s request for CPUSA chief counsel John Abt to represent him nor Abt’s admission that he did not think he would or could represent the accused murderer. In the documents released last week, Abt’s name comes up as the person who served as the go-between named to bring the Oswald correspondence from the Communists to the FBI. Both the Venona intercepts and the files of the former Soviet Union name Abt as an agent of the Kremlin.

“On 12/3/63, John J. Abt, who has represented the CP, USA before the [Subversive Activities Control Board], as well as individuals before that board, advised the [FBI’s New York Office] of the desire of his client, Arnold Johnson, who is Legislative Secretary of the CP, USA, to make available correspondence between the subject and the CP, USA,” one FBI memo notes. “Such correspondence was turned over by Abt in the presence of Johnson at his office, 320 Broadway, NYC, on 12/3/63.”

A December 8, 1963, memo on a house meeting of seven Communists in Wheeling, West Virginia, describes the same man who encouraged Oswald in his Communist activities through correspondence denying Oswald legitimately took part in such activities.

Arnold [Johnson] explained that since Oswald was considered a Communist then a wave of hysteria was about to explode against the C. party of America but by the time the re-actionaries were getting started it was announced that it had been disclosed that it seemed like the extreme right had been active. This was bore out by the declaration of Russia that it was not the C. party that had done it because Kennedy was a friend of the Working class but the work of the extreme right or almost a fascist act. This seemed to sober the masses that it was the same caliber of people who had insulted [Adlai] Stevenson only weeks before in Dallas, Texas…. Arnold Johnson further stated that no real Marxist Could do such a thing. There is not much doubt about that since the Soviet Union expelled him by not giving him Citizenship to the Soviet Union because they thought him to be an Agent of Fascism.

After so recently emerging from a decade or so that witnessed a crackdown on subversive activity, the American Communists loathed the idea of the government, again, scrutinizing its activities, a situation which a Communist murdering the president of the United States figured to bring about. The FBI memorandums released last Thursday show a Gus Hall so frightened that he would not show up to work at party headquarters and Arnold Johnson and Irving Potash arriving at a meeting with the FBI “in an excited state.” Rather than live with the consequences that one of their own murdered the president of the United States, the Communist propaganda apparatus immediately went into overdrive to push the idea of a conspiracy to kill John F. Kennedy orchestrated by the party’s enemies. The campaign’s effectiveness if not truthfulness sees vindication in so many, to borrow from their own verbiage, “dupes” pushing CPUSA propaganda 54 years after the fact unaware that they push ideas initially advanced by the leadership of the CPUSA.

“Who really was he?” the Communist literature dated nine days after the assassination asks of Lee Harvey Oswald. “An adventurer who was made the ‘fall guy’ by higher ups? A dupe? Or an innocent victim? What is the truth?”

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On 10/27/2017 at 5:09 PM, Ernie Lazar said:

1.  The FBI is our nation's primary internal security investigative agency?

Question: True or False:   everything they release is 100% accurate.  They say it, you  have to believe it?  

 

On 10/27/2017 at 5:09 PM, Ernie Lazar said:

3.  All governmental agencies (local, state, and federal) know that the FBI is our nation's primary internal security investigative agency?

True or False:  And that's why we don't have sanctuary cities or states, because they know the FBI will enforce all federal laws?

 

On 10/27/2017 at 5:09 PM, Ernie Lazar said:

4.  Because of #3, literally hundreds of federal and state and county and city governmental agencies and departments and commissions (and their field office locations in every state or city/town) know that, by law, it is their responsibility to share any internal-security-related information with the FBI?

Joke of the Day?

 

On 10/27/2017 at 5:09 PM, Ernie Lazar said:

6.   Because of #5, the FBI has received literally MILLIONS of unsolicited contacts from outside independent sources of information (by phone, by mail, and by in-person visits -- and even (in former decades) by telegram.  [See, for example, Harry Dean file].

And, if they share it, the FBI is required to believe it.  And it is always 100% accurate.   So now we know that the FBI got a report that LBJ was a member of KKK so it is required, by law, to be accurate.   

 

On 10/27/2017 at 5:09 PM, Ernie Lazar said:

7.   HOWEVER, in many instances, these contacts with the FBI did NOT produce usable or factually true information.  In fact, FBI files contain numerous notations describing certain individuals as "mental cases".  Nevertheless, ALL of this information is contained in FBI files (HQ and field office)?

But, But, But,  that can't be.   It's in their files, it is required to be accurate.  

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1 hour ago, Kenneth Drew said:

Question: True or False:   everything they release is 100% accurate.  They say it, you  have to believe it?  

 

True or False:  And that's why we don't have sanctuary cities or states, because they know the FBI will enforce all federal laws?

 

Joke of the Day?

 

And, if they share it, the FBI is required to believe it.  And it is always 100% accurate.   So now we know that the FBI got a report that LBJ was a member of KKK so it is required, by law, to be accurate.   

 

But, But, But,  that can't be.   It's in their files, it is required to be accurate.  

Thanks for your contribution but you totally misrepresent what I have presented.

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On 10/10/2015 at 9:11 PM, Paul Trejo said:

That's completely correct, John, not only in the USA, but even in Nazi Germany. In fact, the term Nazi means "National Socialism" and it originated as "the "German Socialist Worker's Party".

In historical fact, a Nazi is, first and foremost, a Socialist. The difference is that instead of "International Socialism" which characterized the Communist Internationale, it was Adolf Hitler himself who resented being poor, and wanted the State to control all Factories, Banks, and so on -- as long as the State was GERMAN and included zero foreigners.

Being a Nazi in Germany didn't mean being rich -- although the German wealthy class eventually became its greatest supporters because they found they could control it so easily. Nevertheless, the Nazi movement really started as a Working Class movement, with so-called Brownshirts, street thugs that transformed into the SS.

We should also remember that many of the High Command of the German Nazi Party started out as Marxists -- and one can name Joseph Goebbels, Propaganda Minister, as the main example. So -- just because a person was a Marxist didn't mean they couldn't later become a Nazi -- in fact, some of the most brutal Nazis in Germany started out as Marxists.

Remember, too, that Lee Harvey Oswald would insist that he WAS a Marxist -- but NOT a Communist!

Regards,

--Paul Trejo

Nevertheless, neo-nazis in the United States typically associate themselves with right-wing causes and objectives. 

In fact, American Nazi Party founder George Lincoln Rockwell's autobiographical memoir (This Time The World) opens with this acknowledgement:

"Acknowledgements: The author gratefully acknowledges the inspiration he received in his political career from three great Americans: Senator Joseph McCarthy, General Charles Lindbergh, General Douglas MacArthur."

These are hardly "socialist" heroes!

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