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This picture seems to be the closest to the time when Prayer Man had been photographed in the Depository doorway. It seems that Lee Oswald wore a silver band above his left wrist and nothing else. Unfortunately, Prayer Man's left wrist des not seem to be visible in Darnell; it would be an excellent clue as to the identity of Prayer Man.    

 

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3 hours ago, Andrej Stancak said:

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This picture seems to be the closest to the time when Prayer Man had been photographed in the Depository doorway. It seems that Lee Oswald wore a silver band above his left wrist and nothing else. Unfortunately, Prayer Man's left wrist des not seem to be visible in Darnell; it would be an excellent clue as to the identity of Prayer Man.    

 

Andrej,

I don't know whether this is helpful.  All of the Prayer Man frames are distorted and blurred to the extent there is nothing that is clear enough to be unarguable.  That image of Prayer Man's right wrist shows a silver band rather than a watch.

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The image is to arguable to say either.  What it says to me, since Oswald's head is cut off at the neck, and there is an alteration and a flip of the image.  I won't defend that suggestion since in is my personal opinion.

I do not trust the people who had these films and images in their possession by any means.

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1 hour ago, John Butler said:

I do not trust the people who had these films and images in their possession by any means.

There is nothing wrong in being cautious when analysing pictures downloaded from a public domain. I hope we will one day get access to a high-resolution, high-quality, certified copies of both the Darnell and Wiegman film.

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The point some researcher often use to question the possibility of Lee Harvey Oswald being outside just after the last shot rang out is that there are no eyewitnesses who would confirm Oswald's presence or Prayer Man's identity. The problem is that the question of Prayer Man's identity had surfaced so late after the assassination that there are almost no living witnesses who could confirm or refute this possibility. One living witness who could shed light on Prayer Man's identity is Buell Wesley Frazier. 

There seem to be issues with Mr. Frazier's reports about people in the doorway after the shooting that prompt a question of the width of Wesley Frazier's attention span. Prayer Man was an inconspicuous person standing calmly and staying in the doorway for a short period of time of less than a minute. But what about someone clearly attracting attention due to being the first police officer entering the Depository, running up the steps, pushing people away and passing Mr. Frazier at a distance of maybe one foot?  Well, Wesley Frazier did not register even such a major event:

Mr. BALL - Did you see anybody after that come into the Building while you were there?
Mr. FRAZIER - You mean somebody other that didn't work there?
Mr. BALL - A police officer.
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I stood there a few minutes, you know, and some people who worked there; you know normally started to go back into the Building because a lot of us didn't eat our lunch, and so we stared back into the Building and it wasn't but just a few minutes that there were a lot of police officers and so forth all over the Building there.
Mr. BALL - Then you went back into the Building, did you?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right.
Mr. BALL - And before you went back into the Building no police officer came up the steps and into the building?
Mr. FRAZIER - Not that I know. They could walk by the way and I was standing there talking to somebody else and didn't see it.

The point is that if Mr. Frazier did not register a conspicuous person such as a police officer passing at a short distance near him, he may have not been aware of other people standing next to him. Thus, Frazier's lack of awareness of Payer Man's presence in the doorway does not refute the possibility of Lee Oswald being outside the building shortly after the shooting - exactly as he told the Police on Friday in the presence of FBI agent James Hosty.

 

 

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23 hours ago, Andrew Prutsok said:

Doesn't Prayerman lore suggest Baker never went up the front steps and instead ran parallel to them?

As far as I understand the past posts on this topic, there are reasons, based on the intuitively extended trajectory of Baker's run, to think that Baker ran toward the east corner of the Depository first instead to the main entrance (glass door). However, he would then return immediately to the main entrance and enter the building. The run toward the east corner could cause a delay in Baker's entering the building of some 15-20 seconds. So, whether Baker ran first to the east corner or not, he would anyway enter the building through the door with Wesley Frazier standing next to the same door. However, Frazier denied twice seeing a police officer running into the building and passing him.

The problem with the possibility of Baker running first to the east corner is that there is no single testimony confirming such deviation from the official trajectory of Baker's run which was his running straight to the building.

On the other hand, my calculations (which require testing in a real building) suggest that Baker would reach the 2nd floor too soon unless he spent time with e.g., checking the east corner before entering the building, sooner than about 1 min 18 s obtained in FBI's reconstruction of Baker's movements.

Actually, the delay caused by Baker first running to the east corner of the building (maybe to check the fire escape stairs) would explain how could Lee Oswald feature as Prayer Man and still meet Baker on the second floor.  If Baker first went to check the east corner and delayed his entering the building by about 20 seconds, this would allow Lee Oswald to leave the doorway, check the storage spaces (one on the first floor and another on the second floor next to the passenger lift), get to the 2nd floor via the stairs starting in the front lobby, walk through the 2nd floor hallway and enter the 2nd floor lunchroom from the hallway area of the second floor. 

However, irrespective of the uncertainty of Baker's movements, Baker would climb the steps of the doorway while Frazier was standing up there on the op landing and Frazier would have to notice him. If he did not see Baker, why can he be trusted in spotting anyone else?

 

 

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Looking at Bakers run it is unclear as to exactly where he was headed, as the video stops short of showing his final destination.

 

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