10 Conclusions (of Pat Speer)

[Mark Knight]

The dummies they used did not have arms. Therefore, the bullet did not demolish any wrist. Also, the bodies were nowhere near what a human would be.

Yeah, you're right, Jim. The Australian team should have sacrificed two real humans to serve their testing purposes. Nothing less will suffice, right?

Keep pretending that a perfect "SBT" re-creation is even possible (it isn't, of course, since any test has to SIMULATE the human nuances of John F. Kennedy and John B. Connally).

And keep pretending that the 2004 Australian test didn't come anywhere close to simulating the Single-Bullet Theory (even though it did).

52 years---and 52,000 excuses. That's the lasting legacy of conspiracy theorists.

I'm wondering as well...if they're dealing with cadavers, could they not access one with an intact wrist? I'm fairly sure those are available, for scientific purposes. Then take the two bodies, line them up in such a way as to simulate the path of the bullet as told by the SBT--back to front of the neck of the first cadaver, then 5th rib to wrist to thigh of the 2nd cadaver. With computer-enhanced 3D modeling and x-rays of the cadavers, surely there is someone on the face of the Earth capable of lining up such a shot. Then use a 6.5mm Carcano from 90 or so yards and duplicate the shot. For the experiment here, one would not even need to have the target moving...as the point is to duplicate the wounds and to duplicate CE 399.

BUT the bullet MUST create ALL the wounds that the SBT says it did, and create approximately the same damage to rib, wrist, and thigh ascribed by the SBT to JFK and JBC. THEN let's see that bullet. Also, let's see the size of the fragments left in the JBC stand-in's thigh and wrist and compare them to the fragments removed by the surgery team at Parkland.

Unless or until you can do that, you're comparing apples to kumquats...and always will be.

[Cliff Varnell]

I find the autopsy material easy to sort out.

There is material like Burkley's death certificate, the contemporaneous notes of the Parkland doctors, the portion of the autopsy face sheet filled out in pencil, and the FBI report on the autopsy.

All of these were prepared according to proper professional protocols.

Then there is material not prepared according to proper protocols -- the autopsy photos, the autopsy report, the portion of the autopsy face sheet filled out in pen.

We count the former and disregard the latter.

I mean, that is logical, no?

Yes, but the items you consider to be "prepared according to proper professional protocols" were not technically part of the autopsy, except for the autopsy face sheet. They are certainly more reliable than the photos, autopsy report etc. which IMO are worthless except as evidence of a medical cover-up.

Agreed.

Indeed.

[Robert Prudhomme]

"3. I don't think Kennedy wore his clothing up at his ears, and you know it. As stated, the top of his collar approaches the mastoid process. The hole was 14 cm below the top of the collar. The wound was measured at 14 cm below the mastoid. It all adds up, and supports the accuracy of the face sheet, which shows a wound at T-1 equidistant from the mastoid and shoulder tip, exactly as described at autopsy."

Pat, that is one of the more ridiculous things you have ever written, and, from my viewpoint, you have written a lot of ridiculous things.

The mastoid process is nowhere near the top of the collar, and 14 cm. down from the mastoid process is nowhere near 14 cm. down from the top of the collar. Period.

Now go write one of your thousand word posts to baffle with BS all the unenlightened lurkers. Isn't this the LN way?

[Cliff Varnell]

"3. I don't think Kennedy wore his clothing up at his ears, and you know it. As stated, the top of his collar approaches the mastoid process. The hole was 14 cm below the top of the collar. The wound was measured at 14 cm below the mastoid. It all adds up, and supports the accuracy of the face sheet, which shows a wound at T-1 equidistant from the mastoid and shoulder tip, exactly as described at autopsy."

Pat, that is one of the more ridiculous things you have ever written, and, from my viewpoint, you have written a lot of ridiculous things.

The mastoid process is nowhere near the top of the collar, and 14 cm. down from the mastoid process is nowhere near 14 cm. down from the top of the collar. Period.

Now go write one of your thousand word posts to baffle with BS all the unenlightened lurkers. Isn't this the LN way?

So Pat is doubling down on the claim JFK's clothing collars aligned with his earlobes?

[James DiEugenio]

The dummies they used did not have arms. Therefore, the bullet did not demolish any wrist. Also, the bodies were nowhere near what a human would be.

Yeah, you're right, Jim. The Australian team should have sacrificed two real humans to serve their testing purposes. Nothing less will suffice, right?

Keep pretending that a perfect "SBT" re-creation is even possible (it isn't, of course, since any test has to SIMULATE the human nuances of John F. Kennedy and John B. Connally).

You should be ashamed of yourself.

You cannot make a dummy with arms? You have to use a human?

Do you think everyone here is a mental defective?

The reason they did not use full scale proper models is they realized if they could not even get an approximation of the SBT with improper models, and only doing half the experiment, then it would have been an absolute joke if they had done it the right way, or even close to the right way. and tried for a complete path of the bullet.

It would have proved that it was not possible. And it isn't.

It never happened in Dealey Plaza, that is for sure.

http://www.ctka.net/2010/journeyCE399.html

Edited August 4, 2015 by James DiEugenio

[James DiEugenio]

I think Pat's demolition of this show, and Zimmerman, is pretty good.

http://www.patspeer.com/chapter12b%3Abullxxxxandbeyond

Edited August 4, 2015 by James DiEugenio

[David Von Pein]

The Australian SBT test simulated Connally's wrist, for Pete sake. They just didn't do it with a real human arm. They created a block with human bones inside of it.

Not nearly good enough, right? Of course not. As I've said a million times, nothing will satisfy CT hounds. Nothing.

Edited August 4, 2015 by David Von Pein

[James DiEugenio]

Now, here is a complete demolition of Dale Myers

http://ctka.net/dale.html

Obviously, when you mix Zimmerman with Myers what can you get? BS

[James DiEugenio]

BTW, Myers is a special case. Why?

Because as he himself shows in the John Kelin interview posted above, he was in the critics' camp for about ten years.

Then, he and Gus Russo, right about the time Stone's film came out, began to migrate south.

In fact, there is a You Tube video of Russo talking about a conspiracy theory in the JFK case right about 1991.

RIght, at about this point, although they still attended JFK seminars, they began to take part in some pretty godawful commercial ventures:

1993 PBS Frontline on Oswald--Russo and Myers

Hersh's hatchet job on JFK, the Dark Side of Camelot--Russo

Then in 2003, they both participated in the Jennings ABC special, which was when Myers actually proclaimed that the Magic Bullet was not fantasy, but renamed it the Single Bullet Fact. Which of course is right out of Orwell, or the Third Reich.

Only in a computer simulation which he himself controlled could such a thing happen. But they were well paid and Russo bragged about Jennings' flying him around the country first class.

And it continued to get them work, and both appeared again in 2013, Russo with Tom Brokaw and Myers on cable TV.

Russo and Brokaw got that MSM puppet Richard Reeves to say something like: in NSAM 263 JFK only referenced to cooks and custodians for withdrawal. If anything indicates the height of outright schizophrenia that our society has become addicted to in its denial of what happened in Dealey Plaza, that does. Because now, its not just what happened to JFK that has to be desecrated in public--Dale Myer's Orwellism about the Single Bullet Fact--but now his buddy Russo gets someone to do the same about Kennedy's Vietnam policy. That is how complete the cover up has to be with these guys. If they could they would simply wipe all of it away forcibly by censorship.

Edited August 4, 2015 by James DiEugenio

[James DiEugenio]

Here is the pay off from Pat's destruction of this show:

But the program wasn’t over. For their final act they took an autopsy report reflecting the wounds incurred by their simulated torsos to an L.A. County Coroner. Surprisingly, the face sheet created for the Kennedy torso revealed that the bullet exited not from the torso’s throat but from its left chest, and that it probably would have hit its spine (if it had one) and must have hit its sternum (if it had one). (Exhibit 6 above.) Even worse, a probe poked through a skeleton by the doctor to depict the path of the bullet exploded the program’s assertion of replicating the magic bullet, as the probe passed below the clavicle and first rib. (Exhibit 7.) A bullet traveling on such a trajectory would not have bruised the President’s lung, but pierced it, and would have exited far below his throat.

[James DiEugenio]

Davey:

Really, please.

You never tell your readers where they placed the thing they tried to say was Connally's wrist did you?

They did not place it where it is supposed to be in the Z film. Now did they?

And is that not the whole point of what the critics were complaining about for years?

That this would make an impossible trajectory?

Wow.

Here is a link to another demolition of these phony pastiches that have sprouted up since Myers went on ABC and delivered his disinfo about the Z film and the Single Bullet Fact.

http://www.ctka.net/2014/mack_commentary.html

Edited August 4, 2015 by James DiEugenio

[David Von Pein]

VINCE BUGLIOSI, DALE MYERS, 3-D DIAGRAMS, AND THE SINGLE-BULLET THEORY

DALE MYERS' COMPUTER ANIMATION AND THE SINGLE-BULLET THEORY (PART 1)

DALE MYERS' COMPUTER ANIMATION AND THE SINGLE-BULLET THEORY (PART 2)

Edited August 4, 2015 by David Von Pein

[David G. Healy]

VINCE BUGLIOSI, DALE MYERS, 3-D DIAGRAMS, AND THE SINGLE-BULLET THEORY

DALE MYERS' COMPUTER ANIMATION AND THE SINGLE-BULLET THEORY (PART 1)

DALE MYERS' COMPUTER ANIMATION AND THE SINGLE-BULLET THEORY (PART 2)

Dale *ya wanna see my EMMY* Myers -- LMAO!

Ya think Myers would forward his Lightwave files for his award winning Z-film project to another researcher for a little, um, "outside the lone nut loop research?"

Just curious....

Edited August 4, 2015 by David G. Healy

[Robert Prudhomme]

The neck, Dave. How did the bullet get through JFK's neck?

It is a proven anatomical fact that a bullet passing over the right transverse process of vertebra T1, but missing the right transverse process of vertebra C7, just above it (the T1 transverse process is longer) and then going on to pass through the right side of the trachea, has to follow a right to left angle through the neck of a minimum of 28°.

JFK was facing forward at the time the SBT event supposedly occurred. During their investigation, the FBI and SS determined that a sniper in the SE corner of the 6th floor of the TSBD would have been 9° laterally removed from a line running lengthwise through the centre of the limo; a whopping 19° difference.

How did the bullet follow a 28° course through JFK's neck, if Oswald was only 9° removed from the centre line of the limo?

After exiting JFK's throat at a right to left angle of 28°, how did the bullet find its way to Connally's right armpit?

Myers' cartoons show the Magic Bullet passing through the centre of JFK's neck. This would have the bullet smashing through the vertebra.

Myers is a fraud.

Edited August 4, 2015 by Robert Prudhomme

[James DiEugenio]

RP: Myers is a fraud.

Proven.

But then, what does that make Vincent Bugliosi?