Areas Needing Research

[John Geraghty]

Hi, I was reading John's thread on Fred Korth and how there has been little investigation into him. There seems to be a lot of topics where we know that we need to look into it more perhaps we could all post areas that need to be further looked into and when we have a list everyone might be good enough to pick one and follow it up and return back with what they find possibly in another online seminar or just normally in the forum.

thoughts?

John

[Greg Parker]

John, sounds like a good idea to me... I have a few areas I'd like to see further research on.

I'll await the response from others. If there is enough interest, I'll post my thoughts.

[John Simkin]

Here is a list of people that I believe need to be researched.

Grant Stockdale

George Smathers

Bernardo De Torres

Josefa Johnson

Don B. Reynolds

Fred Black

William Seymour

Bobby Baker

Tracy Barnes

Ron Pataky

George Butler

Richard Billings

Michael Paine

Ruth Paine

Madeleine Brown

Nancy Carole Tyler

John Cofer

Winston Scott

William (Rip) Robertson

[John Geraghty]

john,greg cheers

perhaps it will be useful if people also post online resource sites which may make the job easier, for example there are sites where you can check whether people are still alive.

david atlee philips sirely needs to be looked into more.

his nephew is a musician called shawn philips, i shall tyr to contact him.

keep posting

john

[Gary Buell]

john,greg cheers

perhaps it will be useful if people also post online resource sites which may make the job easier, for example there are sites where you can check whether people are still alive.

david atlee philips sirely needs to be looked into more.

his nephew is a musician called shawn philips, i shall tyr to contact him.

You can reach his agent through his website who can forward a message to him. I am not sure that he has anything to add to what he told me by email and Dick Russell in a phone conversation. He has cousins who might be worth contacting if you can locate them.

keep posting

john

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[Nic Martin]

I'll gladly take an "assignment," I need something to keep me busy. Mind if I look into Ruth Paine?

This is probably well-known and I probably know it, too - but I'm running on high emotions and no sleep, so excuse me.. On a flick through my records...

Cameron Forbes ( of the Forbes family related to Senator John F. Kerry ) was the Governor General of the Philippines. His niece, Ruth Forbes Paine Young, financed the International Peace Academy. It was her husband, Arthur M. Young, who INVENTED the Bell Helicopter used in the Korean & Vietnam wars. Her son, Michael R. Paine, was Ruth Paine's husband. Maybe Michael's work for Bell Hellicopters wasn't so odd after all, considering the family ties.

Edited November 15, 2004 by Nic Martin

[John Simkin]

I'll gladly take an "assignment," I need something to keep me busy. Mind if I look into Ruth Paine?

Great. Ruth Paine is still alive and might be willing to talk about the case. I think she will be more sympathetic to questions if she is approached in the right way. In the past it has been suggested that she helped set up Oswald. I believe the truth of the matter is that there was a concerted effort to set up a group of people for the assassination who were members of left wing organizations such as Fair Play for Cuba Committee, American Civil Liberties Union, Socialist Workers Party and Congress of Racial Equality. Hoover believed that communists were behind these organizations. This was the basis for the initial FBI theory that JFK had been killed as a result of a Soviet/Castro conspiracy.

As a result of LBJ’s response to Hoover’s story, it had to be changed to the “Oswald did it on his own” theory. As a result, the manufactured evidence that had been established to implicate the Paine’s involvement was used to persuade the couple to say what the FBI wanted. At the time they thought they were doing this to save their own skins (after all, Oswald was dead so it did not matter too much to point the finger at him – that was probably the view of Marina as well).

John Geraghty has suggested that when people finish their research they should become online seminars. That is a good idea. Maybe we could have one of these sessions every 3 or 6 months. Please let me have details when you are ready to submit your papers. It might be a good idea to announce on a new thread that you plan to research a certain area of the case. You could then use this thread to present information that you have found. Other members could comment on it and provide information that they have. In this way, the final paper could be developed organically. This would be a good example of using “community intelligence” to obtain the truth.

[Nancy Eldreth]

Another person that is still alive and I have heard very silent. Is Marina Oswald. I am seeking to find someone that she would talk too. Someone that she would trust.

Well, two so far I have contacted and one responded no he doesn't talk to her.

This one gave me two names David Lifton and John Armstrong. The problem I have with this task is who would be nutural. I have a feeling more John Armstrong but not sure. Does anyone know his email address?

I do hope I hear from Jim Marrs.

I feel he would be the best one too but than again I am not sure he ever contacted Marina Oswald Porter. I also heard that she is in Vermont? I also heard from another she is in Dallas Texas still?

Confused here?

If she could open up on a few questions I have a feeling could help this out a lot more than what it has in the past. We know she altered her testimony on Lee and for that reason does say there is something that sure changed her to make a turn around.

[John Geraghty]

A lot of Cuban related material there, which I must admit I am not clued up on, I still have to read Larrys 'someone would have talked', I have a few quid now so i must get it.

If anyone has any other CIA suggestions that is where i think we can find a lot out,

I might take Howard Hunt.

John

[Jim Root]

I would love to have, among other things, more information on the four officers who were escourting Oswald at the time he was shot by Jack Ruby.

I am looking for the more subtle information that is factual (ie Date and location of birth, time on the police force, hometown, what happened to them and perhaps how they were selected).

Additional information/speculation would also be helpful.

Jim Root

PS In fairness, while in Texas doing some research a few years back, I was told a piece of infromation that I have never since been able to substantiate. If anyone has followed this thread I would appreciate some help.

[Nic Martin]

Great. Ruth Paine is still alive and might be willing to talk about the case. I think she will be more sympathetic to questions if she is approached in the right way. In the past it has been suggested that she helped set up Oswald. I believe the truth of the matter is that there was a concerted effort to set up a group of people for the assassination who were members of left wing organizations such as Fair Play for Cuba Committee, American Civil Liberties Union, Socialist Workers Party and Congress of Racial Equality. Hoover believed that communists were behind these organizations. This was the basis for the initial FBI theory that JFK had been killed as a result of a Soviet/Castro conspiracy.

As a result of LBJ’s response to Hoover’s story, it had to be changed to the “Oswald did it on his own” theory. As a result, the manufactured evidence that had been established to implicate the Paine’s involvement was used to persuade the couple to say what the FBI wanted. At the time they thought they were doing this to save their own skins (after all, Oswald was dead so it did not matter too much to point the finger at him – that was probably the view of Marina as well).

John Geraghty has suggested that when people finish their research they should become online seminars. That is a good idea. Maybe we could have one of these sessions every 3 or 6 months. Please let me have details when you are ready to submit your papers. It might be a good idea to announce on a new thread that you plan to research a certain area of the case. You could then use this thread to present information that you have found. Other members could comment on it and provide information that they have. In this way, the final paper could be developed organically. This would be a good example of using “community intelligence” to obtain the truth.

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I knew she was still alive, there was something on CBSNews about her & Nellie Connally during the 40th anniversary last year. She looks virtually the same, if that one picture was anything to go by.

I do think she's been approached the wrong way, nobody likes being told that they're believed to be involved in murder ( or, in the case of Lady Bird, that their husband was ), especially of the President. There's definitely something that clicks with me about Ruth Paine, I just don't quite know what it is yet. Maybe I'll find out.

I'll definitely post a thread as to what I've found, people here will be the first to know.

[Wim Dankbaar]

To Nic:

It might be best to take an assigment on people who can still be talked to:

Orlando Bosch

Cesar Diosdado

Luis Posada

Felix Rodriguez

Antonia Veciana

Would you ring their doorbells?

Wim

Edited November 15, 2004 by Wim Dankbaar

[Jack White]

Another person that is still alive and I have heard very silent.  Is Marina Oswald.  I am seeking to find someone that she would talk too.  Someone that she would trust. 

Well, two so far I have contacted and one responded no he doesn't talk to her.

This one gave me two names David Lifton and John Armstrong.  The problem I have with this task is who would be nutural.  I have a feeling more John Armstrong but not sure.  Does anyone know his email address?

I do hope I hear from Jim Marrs.

I feel he would be the best one too but than again I am not sure he ever contacted Marina Oswald Porter.  I also heard that she is in Vermont?  I also heard from another she is in Dallas Texas still? 

Confused here?

If she could open up on a few questions I have a feeling could help this out a lot more than what it has in the past.  We know she altered her testimony on Lee and for that reason does say there is something that sure changed her to make a turn around.

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As far as I know Marina still lives in Rockwall TX. Jim Marrs has talked to her MANY TIMES. John Armstrong also talked to Marina many times, but concluded that she is an agent and xxxx. She will not talk to him or Lifton.

I have talked to her numerous times, but little in the last 10 years. Last time I talked to her, she seemed convinced that the LHO she was married to was not the ORIGINAL Oswald.

I am convinced that Marina knows more than she has ever told...and even if she tells more, it will not necessarily be the truth. She must keep hidden many things in her past. I believe that she KNEW BOTH OSWALDS.

On the subject of underinvestigated persons, I would put the Paines and certainly JD Tippit....and George Herbert Walker Bush.

Jack White

[Nancy Eldreth]

Another person that is still alive and I have heard very silent.  Is Marina Oswald.  I am seeking to find someone that she would talk too.  Someone that she would trust. 

Well, two so far I have contacted and one responded no he doesn't talk to her.

This one gave me two names David Lifton and John Armstrong.   The problem I have with this task is who would be nutural.  I have a feeling more John Armstrong but not sure.  Does anyone know his email address?

I do hope I hear from Jim Marrs.

I feel he would be the best one too but than again I am not sure he ever contacted Marina Oswald Porter.  I also heard that she is in Vermont?  I also heard from another she is in Dallas Texas still? 

Confused here?

If she could open up on a few questions I have a feeling could help this out a lot more than what it has in the past.  We know she altered her testimony on Lee and for that reason does say there is something that sure changed her to make a turn around.

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As far as I know Marina still lives in Rockwall TX. Jim Marrs has talked to

her MANY TIMES. John Armstrong also talked to Marina many times, but concluded

that she is an agent and xxxx. She will not talk to him or Lifton.

I have talked to her numerous times, but little in the last 10 years. Last time

I talked to her, she seemed convinced that the LHO she was married to was

not the ORIGINAL Oswald.

I am convinced that Marina knows more than she has ever told...and even

if she tells more, it will not necessarily be the truth. She must keep hidden

many things in her past. I believe that she KNEW BOTH OSWALDS.

On the subject of underinvestigated persons, I would put the Paines and certainly

JD Tippit....and George Herbert Walker Bush.

Jack White

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Thanks Mr. White,

That was more than I thought anyone could answer me on this.

I have to admit the more that I do hear the more I realize this pattern is more than a merry mixer. They did that to Marina Oswald a possible switch of her own spouse? How much is and could possibly be brain washing tech. done? Sounds like that to me on this, issue.

She would have to notice attitude differances, habit, emotions, normal patterns, weight, height, moles or birth marks, food likes and dislikes, everything about a person with her to be that of an alien to her.

I agree with former pres. Bush one hundred per cent. If one could only get his hidden files?