John Simkin Posted February 23, 2009 Author Share Posted February 23, 2009 Several members objected to something I posted on this thread:http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...80&start=80 Yet, no one filed a report. Why not? That is how the system is designed to work. This time we had to rely on other moderators reading this thread and picking up the protests within numerous posts. I did receive one complaint about your posting. However, I did not think you did anything wrong and was not convinced that this was the real reason why they wanted you to delete the posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Several members objected to something I posted on this thread:http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...80&start=80 Yet, no one filed a report. Why not? That is how the system is designed to work. This time we had to rely on other moderators reading this thread and picking up the protests within numerous posts. I did receive one complaint about your posting. However, I did not think you did anything wrong and was not convinced that this was the real reason why they wanted you to delete the posting. I don't think posting the name, address and phone number of a person from the open source White Pages phone book is a threat or a violation of privacy or violation of a forums rule or violation of anything. I can post the President's name, address and phone number and people can call him up and harras him, or steal his identity, but it's not my fault or the fault of the forum for violating his privacy. One of the primary purposes of this forum is to share information for research purposes, and learning the whereabouts of witnesses and sharing that info, especially public information, is necessary and NOT a violation of anyone's privacy. Bill Kelly 20 Columbine Ave. Browns Mills, NJ 08015 609 425-6297 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 So it is not a violation of forum rules to post the names, addresses and phone numbers from open source references? BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 (edited) I'd like to know why a forum member is permitted to make up sick quotes and attribute them to another member? http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...mp;#entry167622 http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...mp;#entry167219 "I see dead people." - BK "I talk to dead people, cause they don't talk back and I can just make them nod their heads in agreement." - BK Case Closed. How is it possible for a serious educational forum o tpermit someone to make up descriptions (I don't wear a tie, don't own a tie, and haven't ever worked as a casino dealer) and attribute idiotic quotes like the one above, to other forum members as if its acceptable behavior? In addition, I don't think Evan Burton should be able to place Evan Marshall on moderation because he hasn't put his picture up. While that should have the desired effect of keeping out Riff Raff who like to hide behind fake names, Evan Marshall has served as a police officer in Detroit - one of America's most dangerous cities, and should be exempt from posting his photo. Of course, Evan Burton, the high school hall monitor did this even though nobody complained. Marshall, whose insight into US police procedures has helped us all, will no doubt not bother to return and contribute, the effect of this over-monitoring, while a fanatical nut case is permitted to make up sick quotes and attribute them to me - and step on possibly significant posts without any valid contribution except to intimidate, bully and dominate the board? Maybe open forum discussions and real, question oriented research on important issues related to assassination isn't possible on an open forum. '' I'd like to hear from some forum members who never post and from others who have left because of rude behavior that's apparently permitted, especially stepping on posts and hijacking important threads to promote personal theories. It's just that I always had high hopes that the internet would eventually lead to the resolution of the JFK assassination, and it seems like I was wrong. Thanks, Bill Kelly bkjfk3@yahoo.com Evan Marshall: We need to remember that nothing effects cops worse than the death of another officer. I was on the job in Detroit 1969-1989 and the death of a cop placed at Oswalds feet in 1963 should have guaranteed Oswald DRT (Dead Right There) instead of arrested. Hi Evan! I sent you a message over two weeks ago about the requirement for an avatar photo. The PM trackers says it was read on 20 April. So far, I haven't seen an acceptable avatar photo nor been advised that John S that you have an exemption. Other people have been placed under moderation for this, therefore any further posts by you will be made invisible until an avatar is provided or John advises us that an exemption has been granted. If you need any assistance in uploading an avatar, please contact one of the mods or admins and we'd be more than happy to help. If you feel there is a reason you should be exempted from the requirement, please contact John Simkin directly. Thanks! Evan Burton Edited May 23, 2009 by William Kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Jeffries Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 I agree completely, Bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Simkin Posted May 23, 2009 Author Share Posted May 23, 2009 How is it possible for a serious educational forum to permit someone to make up descriptions (I don't wear a tie, don't own a tie, and haven't ever worked as a casino dealer) and attribute idiotic quotes like the one above, to other forum members as if its acceptable behavior? In addition, I don't think Evan Burton should be able to place Evan Marshall on moderation because he hasn't put his picture up. While that should have the desired effect of keeping out Riff Raff who like to hide behind fake names, Evan Marshall has served as a police officer in Detroit - one of America's most dangerous cities, and should be exempt from posting his photo. Of course, Evan Burton, the high school hall monitor did this even though nobody complained. Marshall, whose insight into US police procedures has helped us all, will no doubt not bother to return and contribute, the effect of this over-monitoring, while a fanatical nut case is permitted to make up sick quotes and attribute them to me - and step on possibly significant posts without any valid contribution except to intimidate, bully and dominate the board? Maybe open forum discussions and real, question oriented research on important issues related to assassination isn't possible on an open forum. '' I'd like to hear from some forum members who never post and from others who have left because of rude behavior that's apparently permitted, especially stepping on posts and hijacking important threads to promote personal theories. It's just that I always had high hopes that the internet would eventually lead to the resolution of the JFK assassination, and it seems like I was wrong. During my disagreement with Tim Gratz I was accused of being bias. I therefore decided to hand over the running of the forum to a moderating committee. All decision are now taken by a majority vote. The moderation committee is officially made up of Andy Walker, John Geraghty, Stephen Turner, Gary Loughran, Antti Hynonen, Evan Burton, Kathy Beckett and myself. However, Gary no longer responds to PMs and Stephen is a reluctant moderator and John rarely chooses to vote. I would therefore suggest we acquire some more moderators. I would suggest the following should be asked to become moderators: Peter Lemkin, Bill Kelly, Don Jefferies and Cigdem Göle. It is wrong to target Evan Burton for enforcing the rules. In fact, he is probably the most liberal member of the moderating committee and has constantly argued that members should be given another chance. It was Evan’s idea that Peter Lemkin should be made a moderator. Evan has taken responsibility for asking members to post an avatar. Once you have a rule like this it has to be enforced. For some reason, despite several emails, Evan Marshall has never provided reasons why he has not supplied a photograph as an avatar. If he had done so, we would have considered his case for not having an avatar. I agree with Bill that John Bevilaqua’s posts have become increasing unpleasant. This happened last time he was an active member. However, as far as I know, no one has complained to the moderators about his behaviour until now. I would think there is a good case for him being placed on moderation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Burton Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Evan has taken responsibility for asking members to post an avatar. Once you have a rule like this it has to be enforced. For some reason, despite several emails, Evan Marshall has never provided reasons why he has not supplied a photograph as an avatar. If he had done so, we would have considered his case for not having an avatar. Please also note that I acted because I was chastised for not acting earlier on the matter of an avatar: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=14219 ********** I support all the nominations for mods put forward by John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Evan has taken responsibility for asking members to post an avatar. Once you have a rule like this it has to be enforced. For some reason, despite several emails, Evan Marshall has never provided reasons why he has not supplied a photograph as an avatar. If he had done so, we would have considered his case for not having an avatar. Please also note that I acted because I was chastised for not acting earlier on the matter of an avatar: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=14219 ********** I support all the nominations for mods put forward by John. I don't have the time to be a mod, nor is it something I would be good at. I understand Evan Burton has tried to be even handed, and it is difficult, but I also think that it is understandable that Evan Marshall should be except from having to post his photo for obvious reasons related to his job. If he won't ask you for that exception I am asking it for him, so he will remain a member of the forum and continue contributing when he can. So far I have been accused of having crumbs in my beard, food on my tie, working at a casino, miss spelling George DeMohrenschildt, intentionally missleading people and plagerism. Only the crumbs and spelling is possibly true. Now if my golf game is brought up I will file another formal complaint. BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Too bad that those who live at this forum, and have time for everything else, don't have the time to serve as a moderator. Much more convenient to indulge in the luxury of bitching without having to assume any responsibility. Leave it up to someone else, that's the motto ....... "Convenient to indulge in the luxury of bitching"? Wait a minute. Why should there even be monitors? This isn't high school where you have people's bad behavior supervised by goody two shoes. There's no need for monitors if people have rational discussions and share research in a meaningful way. And I've never complained before but I don't words being made up and put in quotations and attributed to me, my research being summarized as blaming anybody for anything and a mad lunatic casting misjudgements about me, my work, my associates and the people I work with. If I am the one who is wrong, I guess I will just have to join the exiles and indulge in my luxuries somewhere else. BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bevilaqua Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 How is it possible for a serious educational forum to permit someone to make up descriptions (I don't wear a tie, don't own a tie, and haven't ever worked as a casino dealer) and attribute idiotic quotes like the one above, to other forum members as if its acceptable behavior? In addition, I don't think Evan Burton should be able to place Evan Marshall on moderation because he hasn't put his picture up. While that should have the desired effect of keeping out Riff Raff who like to hide behind fake names, Evan Marshall has served as a police officer in Detroit - one of America's most dangerous cities, and should be exempt from posting his photo. Of course, Evan Burton, the high school hall monitor did this even though nobody complained. Marshall, whose insight into US police procedures has helped us all, will no doubt not bother to return and contribute, the effect of this over-monitoring, while a fanatical nut case is permitted to make up sick quotes and attribute them to me - and step on possibly significant posts without any valid contribution except to intimidate, bully and dominate the board? Maybe open forum discussions and real, question oriented research on important issues related to assassination isn't possible on an open forum. '' I'd like to hear from some forum members who never post and from others who have left because of rude behavior that's apparently permitted, especially stepping on posts and hijacking important threads to promote personal theories. It's just that I always had high hopes that the internet would eventually lead to the resolution of the JFK assassination, and it seems like I was wrong. During my disagreement with Tim Gratz I was accused of being bias. I therefore decided to hand over the running of the forum to a moderating committee. All decision are now taken by a majority vote. The moderation committee is officially made up of Andy Walker, John Geraghty, Stephen Turner, Gary Loughran, Antti Hynonen, Evan Burton, Kathy Beckett and myself. However, Gary no longer responds to PMs and Stephen is a reluctant moderator and John rarely chooses to vote. I would therefore suggest we acquire some more moderators. I would suggest the following should be asked to become moderators: Peter Lemkin, Bill Kelly, Don Jefferies and Cigdem Göle. It is wrong to target Evan Burton for enforcing the rules. In fact, he is probably the most liberal member of the moderating committee and has constantly argued that members should be given another chance. It was Evan’s idea that Peter Lemkin should be made a moderator. Evan has taken responsibility for asking members to post an avatar. Once you have a rule like this it has to be enforced. For some reason, despite several emails, Evan Marshall has never provided reasons why he has not supplied a photograph as an avatar. If he had done so, we would have considered his case for not having an avatar. I agree with Bill that John Bevilaqua’s posts have become increasing unpleasant. This happened last time he was an active member. However, as far as I know, no one has complained to the moderators about his behaviour until now. I would think there is a good case for him being placed on moderation. This is Bill Kelly's quote which has justifiably incensed me...even though he messed up the brackets as he usually does in his replies. http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...rt=#entry167573 "Anastase A. Vonsiatsky had nothing to do with the assassination of President Kennedy, and your little story about calling Hosty on the phone to badger him is the reason why witnesses, subjects and suspects won't talk to legitimate researchers and reporters because of nut cases like you." "You should be as much afraid of Hosty, and Me as you are of McClendon and Sturgis." BK And his attack-dog Don Jeffries has not posted a legible photograph of himself either and continues to attack me personally. It should be easy enough for you to determine who originated the posting of the FIRST occurrence of this phrase... "You should be as much afraid of Hosty, and Me as you are of McClendon and Sturgis." BK Thank you, John Bevilaqua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bevilaqua Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Too bad that those who live at this forum, and have time for everything else, don't have the time to serve as a moderator. Much more convenient to indulge in the luxury of bitching without having to assume any responsibility. Leave it up to someone else, that's the motto ....... "Convenient to indulge in the luxury of bitching"? Wait a minute. Why should there even be monitors? This isn't high school where you have people's bad behavior supervised by goody two shoes. There's no need for monitors if people have rational discussions and share research in a meaningful way. And I've never complained before but I don't words being made up and put in quotations and attributed to me, my research being summarized as blaming anybody for anything and a mad lunatic casting misjudgements about me, my work, my associates and the people I work with. If I am the one who is wrong, I guess I will just have to join the exiles and indulge in my luxuries somewhere else. BK Is this your quote or not, Bill? And just who is the mad lunatic you are referring to? http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...rt=#entry167573 "Anastase A. Vonsiatsky had nothing to do with the assassination of President Kennedy, and your little story about calling Hosty on the phone to badger him is the reason why witnesses, subjects and suspects won't talk to legitimate researchers and reporters because of nut cases like you." "You should be as much afraid of Hosty, and Me as you are of McClendon and Sturgis." BK And his attack-dog Don Jeffries has not posted a legible photograph of himself either and continues to attack me personally. It should be easy enough for you to determine who originated the posting of the FIRST occurrence of this phrase... despite the fact that Bill messed up his braces...."You should be as much afraid of Hosty, and Me as you are of McClendon and Sturgis." Just what EXACTLY did you mean by that, Bill? Inquiring authorities want to know. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bevilaqua Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 I agree completely, Bill. Don, You should perhaps post a much more legible photo of yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bevilaqua Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 (edited) Evan has taken responsibility for asking members to post an avatar. Once you have a rule like this it has to be enforced. For some reason, despite several emails, Evan Marshall has never provided reasons why he has not supplied a photograph as an avatar. If he had done so, we would have considered his case for not having an avatar. Please also note that I acted because I was chastised for not acting earlier on the matter of an avatar: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=14219 ********** I support all the nominations for mods put forward by John. I don't have the time to be a mod, nor is it something I would be good at. I understand Evan Burton has tried to be even handed, and it is difficult, but I also think that it is understandable that Evan Marshall should be except from having to post his photo for obvious reasons related to his job. If he won't ask you for that exception I am asking it for him, so he will remain a member of the forum and continue contributing when he can. So far I have been accused of having crumbs in my beard, food on my tie, working at a casino, miss spelling George DeMohrenschildt, intentionally missleading people and plagerism. Only the crumbs and spelling is possibly true. Now if my golf game is brought up I will file another formal complaint. BK That would be plagiarism, misleading, misspelling and George de Mohrenschildt, and uttering a threat and not necessarily in that order. I am very serious on the last issue, Bill, just exactly what did you mean by that uttered threat? And now you deny you told me that you were a dealer at an Atlantic City casino working under the auspices of the New Jersey Casino Control Commission? Note: And please do not remove this "utterance of a threat" posting until someone has had the chance to determine why it was posted, who posted it and exactly what was being stated or implied. I for one would recommend a punishment appropriate with the severity and maliciousness of this uttered threat. Threats just have no place in a civilized society and you should be held fully accountable for making that threat. The least I can do is to make a formal protest to that effect to the moderators. And the most I could do is to file a complaint with the appropriate higher authorities who have jurisdiction over such egregious and offensive and possibly illegal statements. Edited May 23, 2009 by John Bevilaqua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Jeffries Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 John B, Because I agree with Bill Kelly about this, I am his "attack dog?" This is exactly the type of histrionic allegation that turns off so many people, I don't know Bill except through this forum, and am hardly conspiring with him to "attack" you in any way. I'm not even affiliated with COPA, which you apparently feel is involved somehow in the coverup, if I understand you correctly. As for my photo, I didn't realize it wasn't clear enough. No one else here has mentioned this. For you, I'm posting a link to my Facebook club, where there is a nice, clear picture of me : Facebook- Don Jeffries Please let me know if this is a clear enough photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis Pointing Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 (edited) I agree with Bill that John become increasing unpleasant. This happened last time he was an active member. However, as far as I know, no one has complained to the moderators about his behaviour until now. I would think there is a good case for him being placed on moderation. Well I for one complained to the moderators just a week ago, the complaint being that many of Bevilaqua's posts have very little, if indeed any, real relevance to the assassination or case. It was made crystal clear that whilst the moderator was sympathetic and even hinted at agreement no action was going to be taken, frankly I was confused as the complaint was a legitimate one, until I was informed by a mod (who under no circumstances will be named) that the moderators had been instructed, by yourself (John Simkin) to "allow Bevilaqua a great deal of latitude". Any comment Mr Simkin? Is it true that because of personal friendship, political affiliation or whatever reason Bevilaqua's posts are not bound by the rules of this forum? Perhaps you feel Bevilaqua is a more importaint member than the rest of us plebs? Or perhaps he pulls more "hits"? This is your forum Mr Simkin, you own it, so if this is the case no one, least of all me, can deny you have the right. But I feel it would be a great shame if the ED forum went the same way as the Rich Dellarosa site where favoritism and protection is the norm. I sincerly hope I've not breached any forum rules with these rather awkward questions, I'm more than aware that I dont carry any special privileges here...the question is can the same be said for Bevilaqua ? Edited May 24, 2009 by Denis Pointing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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