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Is anyone else a member of this group? There ia a guy named Ed Cage. It's says both sides welcomed. But if a person post anything about a Knoll shooter.He or others shoots you down. He calls Mark Lane and Lee Bowers dim-witted screwballs.

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Yeah, I had a lot of fun in that group. Cage brought me in thinking he could [prove] me wrong, I laid it all out for him and his little friends too, to read. I even told him I'd put up something like $10,000 or $20,000 can't remember how much it was if he was willing to do the same. If he could prove me wrong. I was prepared to send him a contract, and we would both agree on the same mediator. The cost for the mediator would be split, it would be based on who provided more [facts]. He shot off his mouth quite a bit, but would never put up, so his friends joined in, all they succeed to do was try and insult me, but they never could keep up. DVP said, "I think it was a mistake allowing Scott in this forum", so he kicked me out because he refused to answer any questions, or counter my discoveries, no one at that forum would challenge me. In my opinion, they're all talk no action, goes to show, they're nuts!

Scott

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DVP said, "I think it was a mistake allowing Scott in this forum."

I've been searching Ed Cage's Facebook group (forum) archives and my own Facebook group archives (the group that I own is called "JFK VIDEO, AUDIO, PHOTOS, & DISCUSSION") --- and I can't find any post authored by me that says what you've quoted me as saying above, Scott.

Can you provide a link to that quote?

I'm not saying I *didn't* say it. Perhaps I did. I'm just saying I don't remember saying it at Ed Cage's group, and I couldn't find the quote even when doing a specific word search within the two groups I just mentioned.

But, anyway, regardless of that quote attributed to me, here's an example of the type of commentary I was treated to by Scott Kaiser at my own Facebook group after I accepted Scott as an active participant in June 2015. If this is the way he behaved over at Ed Cage's group too, then the quote that Scott attributed to me above would, indeed, be quite appropriate and reasonable....

DAVID VON PEIN SAID [ON JUNE 11, 2015]:

Scott [Kaiser] appears to be relying ONLY on the Z-Film. And a very subjective view of the Z-Film at that. All the while ignoring THE BEST evidence that proves JFK was shot only once in the head, with that shot coming FROM BEHIND. That evidence being the autopsy photos & X-rays, plus the autopsy report and the testimony and statements of the autopsy surgeons.

Scott, can you possibly believe that ALL of the above things I just mentioned are ALL bogus (or liars)?

Here's the entry hole---and it ain't in the front.

SCOTT R. KAISER SAID:

As far as I'm concerned I'm throwing out everything from the WCR and the HSCA simply because neither reports the findings I'm working on.

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Gee, there's a shocker. Scott's "throwing out" the ENTIRE two Government reports! The ONLY major investigations re: this case. And Scott, just like that, has decided to chuck them both. Isn't that special?

SCOTT KAISER SAID:

With so much conservatory questions going on as to the altered photos, altered xrays, and altered films, I'm taking my chances on what I believe to be best evidence.

I'd rather have the truth, [than] to be told, "this is the truth", seek, and ye shall find.

DAN PAUL SAID:

This is a hoot!! Because Scott says so, we should all believe him and not the experts who conducted the official investigations and were able to examine all the evidence.

This altered Zapruder film nonsense is a huge laugh!!!!!

LATER IN THE DISCUSSION, SCOTT KAISER SAID:

I can't be surrounded by idiots Lord, please let it not be so.

AND A LITTLE LATER, MY GROUP DISCUSSION WAS TREATED

TO THESE ENTERTAINING GEMS FROM SCOTT R. KAISER:

What a freaking numbnut!

[...]

Chuck, "as far as I'm concerned", you're an idiot!

[...]

There you go, the three musketeers have now graduated to four, and, now, it's complete, the four numbnuts.

[...]

As a child, I could still remember my father say, if you don't have something intelligent to say, don't say anything at all. This was growing up as a child, some of you adults can't help it. I understand.

SOURCE DISCUSSION:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/243480929145732/permalink/431566480337175

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I have an idea folks: Why doesn't everyone here simply ignore DVP and post around him. Arguing with professional lone nutters is a total waste of time. But then that's the idea.

No worries, Dawn. Most of the CTers in this place already agreed (many weeks ago) to put me on "ignore".

So you can rest easy. Oswald's guilt will still conveniently be sidestepped and ignored by about 85% of the Education Forum members, regardless of anything ol' DVP has to say. Pretty much the same way Oswald's obvious guilt is totally ignored at your "Deep Politics Forum" as well (via the complete silencing of any anti-conspiracy opinion).

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DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Dawn Meredith is on record as saying she would never permit an "LNer" to register at DPF. She said that very thing as recently as February 20, 2014:

"We don't allow LN ers. So that omits that waste of time."

-- Dawn Meredith; Founding Member of Deep Politics Forum; 2/20/14

DPF-Post-February-20-2014.png

jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2014/09/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-802.html

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I have an idea folks: Why doesn't everyone here simply ignore DVP and post around him. Arguing with professional lone nutters is a total waste of time. But then that's the idea.

No worries, Dawn. Most of the CTers in this place already agreed (many weeks ago) to put me on "ignore".

So you can rest easy. Oswald's guilt will still conveniently be sidestepped and ignored by about 85% of the Education Forum members, regardless of anything ol' DVP has to say. Pretty much the same way Oswald's obvious guilt is totally ignored at your "Deep Politics Forum" as well (via the complete silencing of any anti-conspiracy opinion).

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DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Dawn Meredith is on record as saying she would never permit an "LNer" to register at DPF. She said that very thing as recently as February 20, 2014:

"We don't allow LN ers. So that omits that waste of time."

-- Dawn Meredith; Founding Member of Deep Politics Forum; 2/20/14

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Here's what YOU don't get DVP, not all CT's or those that seek the "truth" want to debate "facts". Most simply aren't interested in "engaging" loon neuter's. It's a waste of time and you know it. Take for example what is going on at the AMAZON JFK forum/threads. Lone Nutters (supporters of the 1964 WCR conclusions) are being clobbered by what we now know concerning the1964 WCR evidence, on a daily basis. Just as old JFK assassination prolific researcher Harold Weisberg predicted: "just beat them over the head with case evidence, there's no place for them to run... (except the AAJ clubhouse of course)"

Why does anyone need to debate, debate that a conspiracy murdered JFK? What is in it for you?

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...not all CT's or those that seek the "truth" want to debate "facts".

That's for sure.

"Facts" and "evidence" don't seem to count for much in JFK circles. As illustrated here....

jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-conspiracy-myths-continue.html

Excerpt:

LARRY TURNER SAID:

...The problem is not your rehashing of Warren Commission era tropes, but your tone of dismissive certainty.

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Larry, I rehash the "Warren Commission era tropes" simply because the evidence is still the evidence--and it decides this case--and it all points to Oswald. Like it or not. And there's nothing you or I can do to change that fact. Do you think it's ALL fake?

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Since a few frames are missing from the Zfilm, DVP believes the entire film is fake, well, does this mean the [fatal] head shot, the reaction upon impact, and its conclusion of Jackie climbing onto the back of the trunk was all one big lie, and therefore, this "entire" film should be disregarded as something that really didn't happen? Perhaps, it was a recreation of what we thought happened, so the media airs the film knowing darn well that president Kennedy is really alive and well living in Palm Beach celebrating his 90th something birthday.

Of course, we should all ignore the only valuable piece of evidence, chunk the Zfilm and pretend it's all fake, Scott, slaps himself in the forehead thinking how stupid of me to think something like that could ever possibly happen to the president? Yes! I agree with DVP, we should all completely disregard the entire Zflim because there frames that suppose to show the presidents limo turning onto Elm from Houston had been cut out of the film, so this means everything else is fake too.

May I ask just one question? Then why watch it? SMH...

To this day, I have completely identified every accountable reaction upon impact indicating a shot coming from somewhere else other than the rear, and I have asked DVP and his cohorts to please counter what I have posted. I have even pointed out that at z317 Kennedy, has a lock of hair sticking up which indicates the projectile exiting of the rear of Kennedy's head, and the reason for his hair to be sticking up is due to the brain matter, fluids and blood.

Kennedy's hair was quit think, in-fact, had the projectile not exited the rear of his head, the hair would not be sticking up, but I get no answer from DVP or his little friends too, what I get are insults and putdowns. I have been on both sides of the fence, eight years ago, I believed Oswald acted alone, I argued the fact the fatal shot was indeed a rear shot from the TSBD.

But, I can't prove that, I can however, prove thur neoreaction, physics and reaction to impact that the [fatal shot], did, in-fact, without a doubt, come from somewhere other than the rear.

DVP, would you care to comment on my findings. I have posted these same findings in your forum before you kicked me out, and atlas, you would not counter my findings there either. or, will you continue to run, and just post nonsense statements of he said / she said. The ball has been served back to your court sir.

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