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Is any of you out there intimately familiarized with the famous 3D model and animation (heralded by Peter Jennings on ABC News, 2003) for which Mr. Myers won an Emmy?

If so: what type of Coca Cola machine was used in his replica ?

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After removing my tongue from my cheek, I have many serious questions. We could really use the help of any kind soul who lives or is currently in Dallas.

We are having a hard time locating the specific model. It was definitely made by Westinghouse, and its novelty was a drink selector called "Dial-o-Matic". In fact, this site uses the contraption as their logo:

http://soda-machines.com/discussions/index.php

Please take a look at the contents of the Open Source 3D Model of Dealey Plaza's Google Drive. Feel free to peruse, after all: this site is YOURS.

https://goo.gl/jTy69B

https://goo.gl/JSSASW

- Thanks to some photographic wizardry, we found a very similar poster. It would be nice if you can locate and provide the exact same one. We have a new volunteer (a 3D designer, Ethan Biller -welcome!) who is dedicated to the vending machine and poster. We believe in specialization.

- In today's Dealey Plaza there is at least one hydrant, it is yellow and located in the NW corner of Houston & Elm. How about 1963?

- We badly need close up photos of the lamp posts. How many "channels" (how are those features called in English?) [Ed: "grooves"] are there around?

- Any 1963 image of a non-presidential car? We have one from the 1964 FBI reenactment.

- There are 2 kinds of mailboxes: ( a ) Street Collection Mailbox and ( b ) Relay Mailbox. The latter have been green forever, how about the former? I contacted the USPS and the nice lady provided measurements for the smaller one. Another volunteer -David Oldroyd- is working on the mailboxes and lamp posts.

Incidentally: we are planning to have a "time travel" switch in the web site so the 3D model will have 2 modes:

- 1963: It will always be 12:30pm, we have the exact sun location and cloud coverage. The vehicles will be the president's SS-100-X, LBJ, press corps, etc. The Hertz sign and clock will be atop the building,

- Real time model: the sun will move according to the date (day/night), the manholes have different letters, etc.

I am going to repeat this again and again: EVERY single file that we are producing is being placed immediately in the public Repository. Those files belong to you. For example: yesterday, Mark Messer (the head designer) wrote a utility named "usgsbrowser" which queries the USGS website and determines the exact elevation of 1,000 spots in the Elm downhill street segment. That program is there as well. You can copy all the files and create your own site, if you prefer.

-Ramon

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I contacted the Old Red Museum and made a proposal: if they provide accurate floor plans, we can do the whole building. They take a standalone copy to use as they see fit, and we add our copy to our DP model.

http://www.oldred.org/

The nice match is that they are -like us- volunteer based.

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Hi Ramon,

Congratulations on the fine work you’re doing. In your travels, I for one would be interested knowing about the floor structure of the sixth floor. A new plywood floor was being laid, and if the ceiling of the fifth floor was covered at that time (as opposed to open beams), the cavity between the beams, or floor joists, might have an excellent hiding place to ditch some weapons, or even a couple of humans. It might have been possible for a sheet of plywood to be fitted, but left un-nailed. It could have been quickly slipped into position, and then covered with heavy boxes of books, perhaps to build the sniper’s nest.

If this has been covered elsewhere, sorry, I’ve missed it.

Thanks,

Tom

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Now the bad news. In the matter of the presidential limousine we have not made as much progress as we would like. See this thread:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=22435

I made a deal with this company:

http://humster3d.com/2011/05/24/lincoln-continental-x-100-1961/

If we provide accurate blueprints, they will incorporate whatever modification to their product. So far they have been very receptive to my requests, which have been fulfilled in less than 24 hours. For instance, I thought the color of the limo was black, it turns out it was midnight blue. Their version lacks the all-important jump seats (they asked me to send them a list of requests).

Speaking of color: are the back seats blue and SILVER?

So far, I have contacted:

• The Ford Motor Company

• The Lincoln Company (subsidiary of the above)

and these folks:

O'Gara-Hess & Eisenhardt Armoring Company

http://www.ogaramobilesystems.com/

with no response yet. Here's another possible (but suboptimal) source for the blueprints:

http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2013/10/04/pair-of-jfk-lincoln-limousines-one-real-and-one-clone-head-to-auction/

Please look into the "Vehicles" subfolder and provide suggestions, facts, photos, etc.

-RFH

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Now the bad news. In the matter of the presidential limousine we have not made as much progress as we would like. See this thread:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=22435

I made a deal with this company:

http://humster3d.com/2011/05/24/lincoln-continental-x-100-1961/

If we provide accurate blueprints, they will incorporate whatever modification to their product. So far they have been very receptive to my requests, which have been fulfilled in less than 24 hours. For instance, I thought the color of the limo was black, it turns out it was midnight blue. Their version lacks the all-important jump seats (they asked me to end a list of requests).

Speaking of color: are the back seats blue and SILVER?

So far, I have contacted:

• The Ford Motor Company

• The Lincoln Company (subsidiary of the above)

and these folks:

O'Gara-Hess & Eisenhardt Armoring Company

http://www.ogaramobilesystems.com/

with no response yet. Here's another possible (but suboptimal) source for the blueprints:

http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2013/10/04/pair-of-jfk-lincoln-limousines-one-real-and-one-clone-head-to-auction/

Please look into the "Vehicles" subfolder and provide suggestions, facts, photos, etc.

-RFH

FWIW,

I believe the Dr Pepper machine (not to be confused with the second-floor "Coke" machine) was in the north east corner of the first floor,

I've read that Dr Pepper was Oswald's favorite, but I don't know if it's true.

--Tommy :sun

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Hi Ramon,

I for one would be interested knowing about the floor structure of the sixth floor. A new plywood floor was being laid, and if the ceiling of the fifth floor was covered at that time (as opposed to open beams), the cavity between the beams, or floor joists, might have an excellent hiding place to ditch some weapons, or even a couple of humans. It might have been possible for a sheet of plywood to be fitted, but left un-nailed. It could have been quickly slipped into position, and then covered with heavy boxes of books, perhaps to build the sniper’s nest.

Thanks so much, Tom!

This was the topic of my next post. Just when Mark Messer (head designer and my boss) and I were frustrated about the lack of accurate data (he is in Sweden and I tied in Houston) we discovered this extraordinary resource, thanks to the Mary Ferrell Foundation folks:

http://www.maryferrell.org/photos.html?set=WCD-TSBD (There are 3 CD ROMs)

Notice that the FBI agents were very futuristic: the pictures include scales, compass and the location and direction of the photographer. I am guessing that they said:

"Look, some years from now, they will invent something called the Internet, each person will have a computer and they will create 3D models." :-)

-Ramon

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FWIW,

I believe the Dr Pepper machine (not to be confused with the second-floor "Coke" machine) was in the north east corner of the first floor,

I've read that Dr Pepper was Oswald's favorite, but I don't know if it's true.

--Tommy :sun

I learned about the Dr. Pepper machine recently. There's lots of info about it in the DVP site. People have fun repeating the slogan in the poster above the vending machine:

"Things go better with Coke".

Thanks!

-Ramon

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Hi Ramon,

I for one would be interested knowing about the floor structure of the sixth floor. A new plywood floor was being laid, and if the ceiling of the fifth floor was covered at that time (as opposed to open beams), the cavity between the beams, or floor joists, might have an excellent hiding place to ditch some weapons, or even a couple of humans. It might have been possible for a sheet of plywood to be fitted, but left un-nailed. It could have been quickly slipped into position, and then covered with heavy boxes of books, perhaps to build the sniper’s nest.

Thanks so much, Tom!

This was the topic of my next post. Just when Mark Messer (head designer and my boss) and I were frustrated about the lack of accurate data (he is in Sweden and I tied in Houston) we discovered this extraordinary resource, thanks to the Mary Ferrell Foundation folks:

http://www.maryferrell.org/photos.html?set=WCD-TSBD (There are 3 CD ROMs)

Notice that the FBI agents were very futuristic: the pictures include scales, compass and the location and direction of the photographer. I am guessing that they said:

"Look, some years from now, they will invent something called the Internet, each person will have a computer and they will create 3D models." :-)

-Ramon

And I think there was a special box near the Dr Pepper machine for "empties."

--Tommy :sun

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And I think there was a special box near the Dr Pepper machine for "empties."

--Tommy :sun

I have not found a photo of the Dr. Pepper machine yet and the only box for empties that I have is situated next to the Coca-Cola machine.

I just discovered that the names of companies in the corner of N. Houston and Elm:

ALLYN AND BACON ??

AMERICAN BOOK CO.

GREGG PUBLISHING

LYONS AND CARNAHAN

McGRAW HILL BOOK CO.

THE MACMILLAN CO.

SCOTT, FORESMAN AND CO.

SOUTH-WESTERN PUB. CO.

Are all school book publishers (duh!).

-RFH

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And I think there was a special box near the Dr Pepper machine for "empties."

--Tommy :sun

I have not found a photo of the Dr. Pepper machine yet and the only box for empties that I have is situated next to the Coca-Cola machine.

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Please note what looks like a box for "empties" leaning against the wall, next to the stairs, and the Dr Pepper machine itself inside the white rectangle.

--Tommy :sun

PS Looks like DVP beat me to it.

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Looks like the crate for empties was doubling as door-propping device too.

David,

Nice idea, but I think that's an "overhead" door which you raise by pulling on a chain, and which you "prop open" by putting a link of the chain in a special notch on the wall.

--Tommy :sun

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Oh, okay, Tommy. Maybe you're right about the "chain". But, anyhow, the empty crate in the CD496 picture is definitely propped up against the door. Maybe it's been put there to aid the "chain" and keep the door open even wider. ~shrug~

jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/06/dr-pepper-talk.html

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