Sandy Larsen Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Re: the Gloria Calvary identification. As i understand it Gloria was Hispanic when the woman as identified in the Zapruder frame is seen in profile for a few frames she appears to be dark skinned. Perhaps people assume she is Hispanic merely based on these pictures here. I don't think this is the same woman as Gloria Calvery shown in the wedding announcement photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 (edited) Years ago i recall reading one of the witness statements where Gloria was listed as being Hispanic. i am trying to find the document. Edited January 28, 2016 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Prudhomme Posted January 28, 2016 Author Share Posted January 28, 2016 Gloria Calvery was also 21 years old at the time of the assassination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 (edited) The witness statements locate Co-workers Reed, Calvary, Hicks, Dishong and Westbrook standing together in the same location. ? who else in that group could be Gloria Calvary. ? Edited January 28, 2016 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Prudhomme Posted January 28, 2016 Author Share Posted January 28, 2016 (edited) The witness statements locate Co-workers Reed, Calvary, Hicks, Dishong and Westbrook standing together in the same location. ? who else in that group could be Gloria Calvary. ? The witness statements of these women look like they were written by one person, with many of the sentences repeated almost word for word. Sorry, Robin, I just cannot accept that 30-something Hispanic woman is 21 year old Gloria Calvery, who looks anything but Hispanic in her high school photos. Edited January 28, 2016 by Robert Prudhomme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 (edited) You may be right Robert But if not her, then where is Gloria Calvary located in Zapruder ? Edited January 28, 2016 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Thomas Graves Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 (edited) Robin, This is a problem we've been trying to solve for about half a year now. Where have you been? --Tommy PS Alonzo is labeled incorrectly in your photo. Alonzo is the woman in the dark dress to the right of "Donaldson." Alonzo is the girl in the lower right hand corner of page 92 in this yearbook (go back one page): http://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth61030/m1/96/ I don't know if the woman in the reddish dress and white blouse is Woodward. Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe that's Gloria Calvery or Peggy Hawkins, instead. Or maybe not. Maybe it's ... Mary Woodward. Edited January 28, 2016 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Prudhomme Posted January 28, 2016 Author Share Posted January 28, 2016 You may be right Robert But if not her, then where is Gloria Calvary located in Zapruder ? No one seems to know. However, simply not knowing does not automatically make the Hispanic looking woman Gloria Calvery. Have you found the article that states Gloria Calvery was Hispanic yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 (edited) Hi Sandy Here is the Altgens 6 photo, with A.J. Millican in his hard hat, seen near what I thought was the easternmost lamp post before reaching the TSBD entrance. As I pointed out earlier, there is a traffic lamp post on the concrete island, but Thomas tells us that one does not count. Hi Bobby! I'm surprised you haven't noticed the four-year-old child shading it's eyes while watching the motorcade just below and to the right of the red number "10" in the black-and-white Altgen's 6 blowup, above. The child is also visible at the far left edge of the Weigman film for a split second (just before Weigman starts "wildly" panning back to the right), but unfortunately the child appears to be wearing a dress. Perhaps you should check it out. Warning: You'll have to do a lot of very precise "click-click" freeze-framing to catch a frame of the child that isn't blurry. Also notice (in the Weigman film) that Hard Hat Millican is standing just to the left of the child. --Tommy PS The youngster you're probably thinking about down by "Gloria Calvery" was the Chisms' boy, who can be seen standing near the curb, close to his parents in at least one photo or film taken from the other side of Dealey Plaza. Bumped for Bobby Prudhomme. Hi, Bobby! Please read the above post in green. Edited January 28, 2016 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Prudhomme Posted January 28, 2016 Author Share Posted January 28, 2016 I read the post a while ago. If I am correct, are you saying Mrs. Hawkins' child is on the lower steps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 (edited) I read the post a while ago. If I am correct, are you saying Mrs. Hawkins' child is on the lower steps? Well, Bob, that's not exactly what I said now is it. I pointed out a child to you in Altgens 6. (I don't know whose child it is, Bob.) Then I said that if you follow my "freeze frame" instructions, you can see the same child in Weigman, right before Weigman starts quickly panning back to the right. Edited: That's not Millican standing next to the child. My bad. But the child I'm talking about is not on the steps. It's on the "island." --Tommy Edited January 28, 2016 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 You may be right Robert But if not her, then where is Gloria Calvary located in Zapruder ? No one seems to know. However, simply not knowing does not automatically make the Hispanic looking woman Gloria Calvery. Have you found the article that states Gloria Calvery was Hispanic yet? I think it was an FBI report ? I am still looking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 (edited) Different child now. OK, Bob? The child wearing the red cap and being held by the woman in this Towner frame could very well be Johnny Hawkins, and the woman could very well be his mother, Peggy Joyce Hawkins. Credit: Robin Unger http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20032 --Tommy Edited January 28, 2016 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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