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3 hours ago, James R Gordon said:

The EF forum is owned by Invision. We do not own this site - we lease it from Invision - and the kinds of options above are not open to us.

If we did own the site that would be a different matter.

I am not unsympathetic to the ideas expressed and if this were an independently owned site that would be different.

James.

I was looking on the Invision forum and read that you can make sub forums into “clubs”. It wouldn’t make the whole site private just whatever section you wanted. If you did want to go that route it is possible to do.

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7 hours ago, John Kozlowski said:

Banning his IP won’t keep him from browsing here or from him collecting posts. Honestly the only way to do that is to make the forum totally private to members only. I’m on another forum that is private and non members cannot see anything. That would hurt you in getting new members though. By using a VPN or similar program it’s very easy to get a random IP address from anywhere in the world.

David stated previously here that the reason he archived posts was to have a record of his conversations with CTs. I think the fear expressed that he will "collect posts" is unfounded and much ado about nothing. If he can no longer participate here there is presumably no reason for him to "collect posts."

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4 minutes ago, W. Tracy Parnell said:

David stated previously here that the reason he archived posts was to have a record of his conversations with CTs. I think the fear expressed that he will "collect posts" is unfounded and much ado about nothing. If he can no longer participate here there is presumably no reason for him to "collect posts."

I was just letting him know that blocking an IP will not keep someone away. I have no dog in this fight but thought in case something happens in the future that James should know there are options that can be considered.

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6 hours ago, James R Gordon said:

The EF forum is owned by Invision. We do not own this site - we lease it from Invision - and the kinds of options above are not open to us.

If we did own the site that would be a different matter.

I am not unsympathetic to the ideas expressed and if this were an independently owned site that would be different.

James.

 

2 hours ago, John Kozlowski said:

Have you talked with them about making it private? If that’s the route you want to take it should be able to be done very easily. Ive modded a few forums in the past which were under different providers and they all had an option similar to what I stated. It would just require people to login to be able to view posts. Like I said earlier it may limit new members but it would be private.

Google, DuckDuckGo and Bing apparently all index every single post from this forum, at least from the “JFK Assassination Debate” sub-forum, which is what I follow.  JFK assassination-specific queries on all three of these search engines usually produce Education Forum results high on the first page of the results.  The more specific the query is, from my experience, the higher the Ed Forum ranks in the results.

That’s the main reason I try to make every post I write as good as I can make it.  And yes, I wish they were all better.  But keeping criticism alive of the Warren Commission conclusions is important to me and hopefully just as important to most other people here, and this is one of the best ways available to do it.  Once again, thanks to James R. Gordon for helping to make this happen.

If the Ed Forum were to become a private website, the search engines would no longer cover it.  Please keep the “JFK Assassination Debate” forum open and public!  A lot may depend on this!  

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10 minutes ago, Jim Hargrove said:

 

Google, DuckDuckGo and Bing apparently all index every single post from this forum, at least from the “JFK Assassination Debate” sub-forum, which is what I follow.  JFK assassination-specific queries on all three of these search engines usually produce Education Forum results high on the first page of the results.  The more specific the query is, from my experience, the higher the Ed Forum ranks in the results.

That’s the main reason I try to make every post I write as good as I can make it.  And yes, I wish they were all better.  But keeping criticism alive of the Warren Commission conclusions is important to me and hopefully just as important to most other people here, and this is one of the best ways available to do it.  Once again, thanks to James R. Gordon for helping to make this happen.

If the Ed Forum were to become a private website, the search engines would no longer cover it.  Please keep the “JFK Assassination Debate” forum open and public!  A lot may depend on this!  

There are definitely cons to making it private. I wasn’t trying to sway his mind one way or another. It would hurt this place more than help. 

 James said he didn’t really have any options and I was just letting him know that isn’t really true at all. Like you said if someone does an internet search they won’t find anything from here and that will keep new users from signing up.

   I’ve been a mod on quite a few forums over the years and it has helped many but also hurt some. At this point since DVP isn’t able to comment I see no real reason for him to continue to copy posts. But if it would continue for some reason there is always that option.

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1 hour ago, John Kozlowski said:

I was just letting him know that blocking an IP will not keep someone away. I have no dog in this fight but thought in case something happens in the future that James should know there are options that can be considered.

Thanks John, I was really just using your post to reply to what seems to be a general concern.

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This forum was conceived as a place where people can share ideas about the assassination...and have them read by people from all over the world. When it was set up, there were a number of "private" forums, where people shared ideas with a small group of people. Most of those forums have since disappeared, along with the vast majority of the posts on these forums. Those wishing to join private forums now join Facebook groups, and have their posts read by perhaps as many as 20 or 30 people, as opposed to the 100 to 1,000 that are likely to read a post on this forum. 

Taking this forum private so no one can copy the words of those uncomfortable with the idea someone might copy and paste their words elsewhere on the internet would be silly, IMO. It's one of the reasons this forum was founded, for crying out loud. John Simkin used posts from this forum to fill in blanks on his Spartacus website. He never asked for permission to quote posts on his website. It was John's hope this website would become a Spartacus-like resource used by people around the world. So he contacted a number of researchers, writers and witnesses, asked them to join, and allowed newbies like myself to join in the discussion. Thankfully, the vast majority of these posts are still available for study.  

Feel free to copy and paste this post anywhere you like.

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17 hours ago, W. Tracy Parnell said:

David stated previously here that the reason he archived posts was to have a record of his conversations with CTs. I think the fear expressed that he will "collect posts" is unfounded and much ado about nothing. If he can no longer participate here there is presumably no reason for him to "collect posts."

In my view, I have no problem with DVP copying my comments to his site.   The problem is he cherry picked the first sentence of my comment where I was prefacing my point, and only used that.   If he's going to copy comments, then he should copy the entire comment, and not cherry pick.   What he copied was not the thought I was trying to convey.

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Lee, if you still get notifications, you presence is missed. 

In relation to this/a particular, present situation, it was claimed/insinuated (elsewhere) that some number of your posts were deleted. I think that I read that you deleted them. Can you clarify, or, perhaps, return?

 

On 4/29/2004 at 2:37 PM, Lee Forman said:

Hello. My name is Lee Forman. Born in 1966, I had written several reports on the JFK assassination back in my High School days in the early 1980s, concluding that a conspiracy was unquestionable. My interest in the case began in part due to my older brother's curiousity, as he had been born November 23, 1963.

I am at present a Sales Director working in the Telecom sector. I received my Bachelors in Political Science at Messiah College in Pennsylvania in 1991.

My interest in the JFK assassination debate was renewed following my learning of letters which had been sent to A&E by Ladybird Johnson, Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter, criticizing the airing of "The Guilty Men" on the History Channel, due to it's implication of Lyndon Baines Johnson as a conspirator.

 

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My suggestion would be to restore access to EF for David after he removes his EF archive from public view. There is no intellectual property problem in backing up own messages posted here, and even messages of others if all are kept in a private document and not publicised on own website. The new rule on Copyright ownership from yesterday is very useful.

I hope David will understand the intellectual property issue he is in involved with and removes his archive from his webpage. In that case, I would recommend reinstating David's access to EF.

 

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