David Josephs Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (jaw drops)..... So Truly was right... Mr. TRULY. That is right.And the President's car following close behind came along at an average speed of 10 or 15 miles an hour. It wasn't that much, because they were getting ready to turn. And the driver of the Presidential car swung out too far to the right, and he came almost within an inch of running into this little abutment here, between Elm and the Parkway. And he slowed down perceptibly and pulled back to the left to get over into the middle lane of the parkway. Not being familiar with the street, he came too far out this way when he made his turn. Mr. BELIN. He came too far to the north before he made his curve, and as he curved--as he made his left turn from Houston onto the street leading to the expressway, he almost hit this north curb? Mr. TRULY. That is right. Just before he got to it, he had to almost stop, to pull over to the left.If he had maintained his speed, he would probably have hit this little section here. Mr. BELIN. All right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) images removed Edited April 12, 2018 by David Josephs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 8 hours ago, Chris Davidson said: The WC was polite enough to give us their working average for the blue triangle span. Of course, when is frame166 not representative of 166frames? When the WC is involved. 100ft/166frames (actually 166.666... for another time though) = .6024ft per frame x 18.3fps = 11.024ft per sec = 7.5mph Since their distance from StationC to PositionA was 44ft, we can arrive at a frame count for that span. 44ft/11.024ft per sec = 3.991... x 18fps (whole frames) = 71.84frames Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Bainbridge Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 9 hours ago, David Josephs said: (jaw drops)..... So Truly was right... Mr. TRULY. That is right.And the President's car following close behind came along at an average speed of 10 or 15 miles an hour. It wasn't that much, because they were getting ready to turn. And the driver of the Presidential car swung out too far to the right, and he came almost within an inch of running into this little abutment here, between Elm and the Parkway. And he slowed down perceptibly and pulled back to the left to get over into the middle lane of the parkway. Not being familiar with the street, he came too far out this way when he made his turn. Mr. BELIN. He came too far to the north before he made his curve, and as he curved--as he made his left turn from Houston onto the street leading to the expressway, he almost hit this north curb? Mr. TRULY. That is right. Just before he got to it, he had to almost stop, to pull over to the left.If he had maintained his speed, he would probably have hit this little section here. Mr. BELIN. All right. Hi David, The quote is fascinating but are you aware of other people corroborating the quote? I am struggling to keep up with the maths given the little time I am taking to comprehend it. Am I right in this summary of the hypothesis : - The Extant film has been modified. The camera filmed, at least for some of the time at 48 fps. Frames have been removed , and to hide this a narrative has been created whereby the limo travelled at constant speed, and the camera continuously ran at 18.3 fps. This narrative is partly fouled up by the significant slowing required to make the tight and ungainly turn onto Elm Street. A solution to this issue was to remove the ungainly turn from the in-camera original and falsify the surveyor's record of the locations of the limo, as related to the Z film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 6 hours ago, Chris Davidson said: The WC was polite enough to give us their working average for the blue triangle span. Of course, when is frame166 not representative of 166frames? When the WC is involved. 100ft/166frames (actually 166.666... for another time though) = .6024ft per frame x 18.3fps = 11.024ft per sec = 7.5mph Since their distance from StationC to PositionA was 44ft, we can arrive at a frame count for that span. 44ft/11.024ft per sec = 3.991... x 18fps (whole frames) = 71.84frames Why 100/166? Station C is not frame 00... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 2 hours ago, David Josephs said: Station C is not frame 00... No, it's not. Total extant frames in Towner 167. Had to take Towner into consideration. What ratio removed from 48/18 = 1 whole (second/frames) Put differently, 2.666.. - ??? = 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 11 hours ago, Chris Davidson said: The WC was polite enough to give us their working average for the blue triangle span. Of course, when is frame166 not representative of 166frames? When the WC is involved. 100ft/166frames (actually 166.666... for another time though) = .6024ft per frame x 18.3fps = 11.024ft per sec = 7.5mph Since their distance from StationC to PositionA was 44ft, we can arrive at a frame count for that span. 44ft/11.024ft per sec = 3.991... x 18fps (whole frames) = 71.84frames PositionA within the Towner film along JFK's (Robert West true designation) path is one frame short from where Towner's LOS aligns JFK with the big background structure. Or, if the extant Towner film consists of 167 frames, 21 frames from the end of Towner = PositionA. Extant Towner 146 =PositionA If you refer to the enlarged plat, the green arrow points to the gap between (the Towner LOS through JFK to the structure) and the PositionA pivot where it would land on that same path. Count 72 Towner frames from Towner 146 to arrive at StationC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 Something to keep in mind, 1" = 10ft The thin blue lines = 10.2ft The PositionA pivot down to the Robert West path = 5.3ft That total distance of 15.5ft = the (StationC- 234.5 to Station-250.0 (SE sniper window edge) =Towner filming position. Anyhow, back to frame counting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 I can't help but notice how the limo appears to move sideways thru these frames... Chris - do me a favor... for T146, above, can you please show us where TOWNER IS in the Zfilm, as this is being filmed? Below I've highlighted where the curb was in relation to the limo's position... We also never see the slowing and hard left back to the center, in Towner... (or Hughes or Bell for that matter) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 Something like this: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/22692-swan-song-math-rules/?do=findComment&comment=372136 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wBURGPKHRQGA9VpeUhLic6LRe2OEYgnS/view?usp=sharing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 3 hours ago, Chris Davidson said: PositionA within the Towner film along JFK's (Robert West true designation) path is one frame short from where Towner's LOS aligns JFK with the big background structure. Or, if the extant Towner film consists of 167 frames, 21 frames from the end of Towner = PositionA. Extant Towner 146 =PositionA If you refer to the enlarged plat, the green arrow points to the gap between (the Towner LOS through JFK to the structure) and the PositionA pivot where it would land on that same path. Count 72 Towner frames from Towner 146 to arrive at StationC. StationC location for JFK "within the limo", on the extant Towner film, is inside the green box. It is superimposed over a graphic from Myers (multi-film sync project) to give you an idea where it lands in relationship to the Towner designated splice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, Chris Davidson said: StationC location for JFK "within the limo", on the extant Towner film, is inside the green box 7 frames is not enough for this to work... The Myers 22-frames per second problem? But even then... nothing in TOWNER suggests what TRULY said... yet why would TRULY exaggerate about that? No one else was even asked about that turn.... yet the limo was placed at Pos A for the Re-enactment... as if the limo passed thru there. From frame z22 to z120 the far left motorcycle takes the wide turn and passes thru Pos A just as it gets to the splice at z132 The center motorcycle is just about at STATION C... yes? 110 frames @ 18.3fps = 6 seconds... Like Zapruder, TOWNER does seem to have the limo "float" by..... at a smooth rate of speed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 The difference between using JFK as your "measuring object" vs the "center of the lower rear tire" is 7 frames. The Dal-Tex corner is the stationary background object. Of course, the difference in distance would be the inside arc path (tire center) vs. the outside arc path (JFK). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted March 20, 2018 Author Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) Refer to this post for a better understanding of the concept: Edited March 20, 2018 by Chris Davidson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Bulman Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 On 3/18/2018 at 7:42 PM, David Josephs said: The top picture is most useful to those of us (at least me) that are math depraved and trying to understand some of this. Thanks. Can the diagram from the first page be re posted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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