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This was the guy Johnny Martin worked for.  Martin took over Junk Handlers Union 20467 for Humphries from creator of it Leon Cooke.  He then killed Cooke, who Ruby worked for as an "organizer".  The union was reorganized with Paul Red Dorfman at it's head, Jack Ruby listed second on an organizational list.  He stayed on a year or so.  Dorfman was an associate of Humphries who connected Jimmy Hoffa with Chicago labor unions.   Jacob Rubenstein changed his name legally to Jack Leon Ruby in Dallas Texas, December 1946.

The WC said he had no significant previous organized crime connections.

http://edmondlifeandleisure.com/murray-humphreys-chicago-crime-boss-transplanted-sooner-p12143-76.htm

Regarding the transplanted okie part, apologies to Larry...

 

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I guess Jacob Rubenstein has become my Achilles heel or maybe albatross regarding JFK's Assassination.  

I realize the greater importance of the bigger picture.  From JFK and Vietnam to Battling Wall Street the Cold War and more.  Jack seems to lead back to that bigger picture, in ways for me at least.  

From, they're going to find out about the guns and Cuba and everything, to digressing with the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court about a New York attorney's death in a taxi cab, to then begging him to take him to Washington .  To why did he really kill Oswald, not for Jackie and the kids.  The DPD, mayor Cabell of the CIA.  Cuba and yes as a part of that bigger picture, the mafia, as an accomplice.  Nixon and the mob - labor investigation in the early 50's.  Too many links there to just blow him off with no connection to organized crime a the Warren Omission did.

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The thing is, Ruby connected to McWillie, Trafficante and Civello/Campisi.

 

There was simply no question about the first.  Then there was the report that Ruby met with Trafficante while the Don was in detention in Cuba. Civello and Campisi were local Mafia ringleaders.  And the latter visited him in jail.

That's just the Mob side of Ruby.

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Beyond the Mob is the gun running question.  That would connect him to the US Government.  How much truth was told, a gun ordered for McWillie but refused.  Four more ordered for . . . ?  This is from memory.  Involved in the armory robbery SE of Dallas in 1963?  Affiliated with the gun shop owner dealer, Masen (?).  It all runs together, confusing but related?  Prior FBI interviews. If I remember right Garrison suspected Ruby in a pipeline of munitions from Dallas through New Orleans to Miami. 

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On 7/5/2020 at 2:46 PM, James DiEugenio said:

The thing is, Ruby connected to McWillie, Trafficante and Civello/Campisi.

 

There was simply no question about the first.  Then there was the report that Ruby met with Trafficante while the Don was in detention in Cuba. Civello and Campisi were local Mafia ringleaders.  And the latter visited him in jail.

That's just the Mob side of Ruby.

Did Ruby actually fly to Cuba and then visit Trafficante in jail there?

His doing so indicates a deeper mob connection for Ruby than the one the Warren Commission painted for sure.

If Ruby didn't have the jailed Trafficante meeting then it's not even worth debating or contemplating it's implications.

How does one prove either scenario?  Very frustrating to not know either way.

If Ruby visited Trafficante my theory is this was set up by Lewis McWillie.

McWillie's ties to Trafficante were real and significant. I could see McWillie asking his idolizing friend Ruby ( someone low level and much less conspicuous ) to be the messenger in such a situation where McWillie could not see Trafficante himself because he was too well known by Castro as a fairly major player in the mob controlled Havana scene. Maybe McWillie could be arrested?

McWillie later manages Sinatra's Cal-Neva casino and hotel in North Lake Tahoe?

McWillie was a obviously a "somebody" in the Mob gambling racket world.

Ruby's idolizing of mob gambling operations expert McWillie for decades would reasonably indicate that Ruby himself was in someway involved in the racket of gambling ( perhaps in a much smaller way in Dallas such as bookmaking and card games ?) or in the very least somewhat aware of it's operational set up in the much larger scale venues of Cuba, Vegas, etc. imo. 

I don't think Ruby would have idolized McWillie as much as he did ( he says so in his Warren Commission testimony ) if he detested gambling in a personal moral sense and wanted nothing to do with this mob racket. Ruby hung around race tracks when he was younger. Another indication of his interest and attitude toward gambling.

There is a You Tube video that I am sure everyone on the forum has seen. It is an interview of a retired Dallas Sheriff by the name of Al Maddox. 

I assume it isn't hard to prove the fact that Maddox was involved to some degree in the security detail while Ruby was incarcerated and being moved back and forth between court appearances. And that in this duty, he ( Maddox) was physically close enough to Ruby at times to have had been able to touch him.

Maddox's shocking Ruby recollection comment in this interview is that Ruby reached out to shake Maddox's hand and when their hands met, Ruby palmed a folded hand written note into Maddox's palm.

Maddox described Ruby's hand as very sweaty which Maddox guessed was due to Ruby's declining health situation with his cancer diagnosis.

Maddox makes the incredible claim that Ruby's note stated the JFK assassination was a conspiracy and that Ruby's true motive for killing Oswald was to silence him.

This claim by Maddox is mind blowing to me if true.

It would destroy the Warren Commission's credibility regards their findings relative to Ruby.

And show that Ruby was fabricating nothing but lies throughout his testimony and interrogations.

Or, was Ruby playing one last crazy desperate card/hand of life saving poker, thinking perhaps this note to Maddox would get passed to higher ups, who would then re-open the whole investigation into Ruby's guilt and motives thereby buying time where perhaps something else might come up to change Ruby's doomed fate?

The most frustrating part of the Ruby/Maddox note story is how Maddox didn't do anything with this bombshell Ruby confession. And, just kept it in his personal possession which resulted in the note being lost at some point.

I wish I could have asked Maddox why he did nothing with the note?

How could Maddox NOT know what a mind boggling important and incredible history changing piece of evidence he had with this Ruby confession note?

I would want to know why he kept the note and it's contents totally to himself until it was finally lost. Why he waited until he was long retired to even reveal the story.

If I truly believed Maddox's story and could talk with him personally,  I would probably lose it and angrily yell at him how could he be so negligent, irresponsible and selfish in doing nothing with such a dynamite Ruby note?

Or, in a calmer state, ask Maddox "did you keep the note because you simply didn't believe it?"

Or that you thought Ruby was losing it and made this claim up in an unbalanced state of mind?

Or,  you didn't want the American people knowing this truth?  If so...why? 

Or, were you simply fearful for your career ( or your life ) in deciding to not bring to note to higher authority level attention?

Could you imagine what these higher authorities might have done with such a Ruby handwritten " I meant to silence Oswald" confession revelation?

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5 hours ago, Joe Bauer said:

I should dig and re read before posting.  I've read before I think of a caller in the early am of the 24th warning of Oswald's execution who "sounded like Ruby".

Grammer had coffee with Ruby for an hour late on the evening of the 23rd with no mention of Oswald, not upset.  Then he went to the garage and met with Olsen and Katy Kay depressed and exasperated over Jackie and the kids having to come to Texas for a trial?

I thought they didn't use the armored car because it wouldn't fit down the entrance to the basement, discovered in the morning when they tried to back it in.  Thus unknown to Ruby or Grammer the night before.

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It's the idea that Chief Curry would lie to the press ( I don't remember-same thing ) about the Billy Grammer report of the warning call and the caller knowing about the Armored Car decoy plan presented to him just hours earlier.

It wasn't just Grammer that went to tell Curry about the threat made just hours earlier. He was accompanied by another higher ranked DPD officer who heard the call himself. Curry dismissed the warning.

Curry and his DPD, along with all the other JFK security teams, lost their highest American importance security charge on Friday. Then his agency alone lost the most important criminal suspect in American history on Sunday.

Two worst case breakdowns of the highest importance security detail in American history.

Curry should have been fired after Oswald was killed in his own building basement.

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On 5/9/2020 at 2:47 PM, Larry Hancock said:

To my understanding Ian's son does have his manuscript; I'm not in direct contact with him but I've offered via DPUK to assist if he wants help in publisher and Lancer very likely would help....Debra had offered to publish his DPD book but it never quite got to the stage where he wanted to release it....like many encyclopedic works I suspect they never seem quite done.

 

 

Larry, as per above I have had e-mail communication with Steve Griggs regarding his father's unfinished work on the D.P.D.:-

Thanks for your email about Dad's DPD book, I was only thinking about that the other day.  I would estimate that his work in detailing all police officers on duty on 22 Nov 1963 was about 90% complete.  It was such as shame that his illness caused him to become confused, which led him to be unorganised in the crucial final stages of his work. 
 
I did have an idea last year that I could somehow tidy up the last 10% and then maybe publish it on the net rather than get it printed.  Unfortunately, the usual things in normal life, work, family, football, etc ... have prevented me from doing this.  My thoughts were that if the incomplete version were to be published, people with missing details could submit contributions, so that it may one day be complete. 
 
I have retained everything I considered would be needed to finish this work.  This includes the computer that he was using, plus a printed version of it as well as some useful books about the DPD.  Saying that, I will switch on the computer to make sure I can actually access it.
 
Please by all means make contact with Larry and let him know this and see what he thinks.
 

 

 

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Thanks Pete, I hope Steve gets in touch with me ( and  you can message his email to me if you like).  Given the shape its in its possible Debra might publish it via JFK Lancer (she had agreed to do that for Ian years ago) or we might also get it published as an incomplete, research work by the Mary Ferrell Foundation. 

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3 hours ago, Larry Hancock said:

Thanks Pete, I hope Steve gets in touch with me ( and  you can message his email to me if you like).  Given the shape its in its possible Debra might publish it via JFK Lancer (she had agreed to do that for Ian years ago) or we might also get it published as an incomplete, research work by the Mary Ferrell Foundation. 

Sounds cool to me Larry!  Can Steve contact you through LarryJoe?

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9 hours ago, Larry Hancock said:

Pete, he is welcome to email me directly at larryjoe@westok.net...  I've met him a couple of times in Dallas, along with his Dad.  Even sent a bottle of Shiner Bock beer home with him (empty of course) once.

Yeah, we were all there together at Lancer in 2013.  I'll e-mail Steve today & pass on your details.  Many thanks for your help on this.  I don't like to think of Ian's final research work being lost.

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